Re: [X2Go-User] x2go and jerky websites
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 20:39:00 +0200 Stefan Baur wrote: > Which Linux distribution and version are you looking to install? My plan was primarily Bodhi because it runs nice and fast, but at the moment I'm also testing with Lubuntu, Ubuntu, etc. Anything with Ubuntu origins as LTS (22.04, bodhi 6 ~only 20.04) is okay, with LXQt, LXDE, IceWM, anything fast. A light, fast distribution that can still be managed graphically would be ideal, which unfortunately sometimes contradicts itself. Puppy etc. are great, but with such I have repeatedly reached my limits when setting up the complete system as a server / x2go server with DHCP, cifs, etc. Greeting, Olaf ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] x2go and jerky websites
Am 12.06.23 um 20:26 schrieb Olaf: At the top of their website there is now a notice of a server failure. And since somewhere on the website it is explicitly mentioned that users shouldn't send questions about technical things by e-mail, I refrained from doing so. Yes. That is why I said you shouldn't ask for tech support, if you try to contact him, but rather ask where to ask for it while the forum is down. I tested again several hours on my ESXI and on a local PC + Clients with several new VMs with Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Bodhi, ... and different browsers, but everyone except Pale-Moon stutters. Yes. This is a browser issue, nothing the distributions could fix. What is the easiest way for me to test x2goKdrive? There was an email regarding the release, but unfortunately I can't find it in the source. Which Linux distribution and version are you looking to install? Kind Regards, Stefan Baur -- BAUR-ITCS UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Geschäftsführer: Stefan Baur Eichenäckerweg 10, 89081 Ulm | Registergericht Ulm, HRB 724364 Fon/Fax 0731 40 34 66-36/-35 | USt-IdNr.: DE268653243 ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] x2go and jerky websites
Hi Stefan! At the top of their website there is now a notice of a server failure. And since somewhere on the website it is explicitly mentioned that users shouldn't send questions about technical things by e-mail, I refrained from doing so. I tested again several hours on my ESXI and on a local PC + Clients with several new VMs with Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Bodhi, ... and different browsers, but everyone except Pale-Moon stutters. What is the easiest way for me to test x2goKdrive? There was an email regarding the release, but unfortunately I can't find it in the source. Greeting, Olaf On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 20:04:51 +0200 Stefan Baur wrote: > Am 11.06.23 um 14:53 schrieb Olaf: > > Unfortunately, it has now turned out that Pale-Moon is not > > compatible with one of the websites that I absolutely need. The > > drop down menus included there freezes the browser for a long time > > as far as I can tell. Since the Pale-Moon forum hasn't been > > available for a long time and I don't see any other support, I > > can't get any further. > > Sad. I completely missed the forum having issues. However, you could > try shooting Moonchild an E-Mail - not with your tech support > question, but asking where to ask for tech support in the meantime > while the forum is down. > > > Does x2goKdrive work with the TCE? > > Then Kdrive would be my last chance with x2go and I would try it > > out. > > I've created X2Go-TCE-Live builds with KDriveclient included in the > past, and we used them at several events to demo X2Go-TCE. > > I can't speak for X2Go-TCE-NFS, but would expect that it should work, > too. > > Kind Regards, > Stefan Baur > ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] x2go and jerky websites
Am 11.06.23 um 14:53 schrieb Olaf: Unfortunately, it has now turned out that Pale-Moon is not compatible with one of the websites that I absolutely need. The drop down menus included there freezes the browser for a long time as far as I can tell. Since the Pale-Moon forum hasn't been available for a long time and I don't see any other support, I can't get any further. Sad. I completely missed the forum having issues. However, you could try shooting Moonchild an E-Mail - not with your tech support question, but asking where to ask for tech support in the meantime while the forum is down. Does x2goKdrive work with the TCE? Then Kdrive would be my last chance with x2go and I would try it out. I've created X2Go-TCE-Live builds with KDriveclient included in the past, and we used them at several events to demo X2Go-TCE. I can't speak for X2Go-TCE-NFS, but would expect that it should work, too. Kind Regards, Stefan Baur -- BAUR-ITCS UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Geschäftsführer: Stefan Baur Eichenäckerweg 10, 89081 Ulm | Registergericht Ulm, HRB 724364 Fon/Fax 0731 40 34 66-36/-35 | USt-IdNr.: DE268653243 ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] x2go and jerky websites
One more thing: Maybe you can work with browsh or carbonyl, just give them a try. Both are browsers that show websites in a terminal window. https://www.brow.sh/ https://github.com/fathyb/carbonyl Uli On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 4:14 PM Ulrich Sibiller wrote: > > Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately I don' know anything about x2godrive > support. x2gokdrive is derived from a recent Xorg server (and kept > uptodate, AFAIK) so probably it supports anything that runs on a > current Xorg server. > > Uli > > On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 2:53 PM Olaf wrote: > > > > Hi Stefan & Uli! > > > > Unfortunately, it has now turned out that Pale-Moon is not compatible with > > one of the websites that I absolutely need. The drop down menus included > > there freezes the browser for a long time as far as I can tell. > > Since the Pale-Moon forum hasn't been available for a long time and I don't > > see any other support, I can't get any further. > > > > Uli, > > Thank you for the information about the differences. > > Due to the stuttering in browsers, I have made several attempts with the > > settings in the past, but had no significant success. > > > > Does x2goKdrive work with the TCE? > > Then Kdrive would be my last chance with x2go and I would try it out. > > > > Greetings, > > Olaf > > > > > > > > On Thu, 11 May 2023 22:11:19 +0200 > > Olaf Staubus wrote: > > > > > Hello Stefan, > > > > > > Thank you for the great tip. Pale Moon really runs a lot smoother. > > > > > > Would that work much better with KDrive than this combination with > > > PaleMoon? > > > > > > If I can optimize this a bit, then I could save myself the switch to > > > LTSP that was actually planned for this reason. > > > > > > Greeting, > > > Olaf > > ___ > > x2go-user mailing list > > x2go-user@lists.x2go.org > > https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] x2go and jerky websites
Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately I don' know anything about x2godrive support. x2gokdrive is derived from a recent Xorg server (and kept uptodate, AFAIK) so probably it supports anything that runs on a current Xorg server. Uli On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 2:53 PM Olaf wrote: > > Hi Stefan & Uli! > > Unfortunately, it has now turned out that Pale-Moon is not compatible with > one of the websites that I absolutely need. The drop down menus included > there freezes the browser for a long time as far as I can tell. > Since the Pale-Moon forum hasn't been available for a long time and I don't > see any other support, I can't get any further. > > Uli, > Thank you for the information about the differences. > Due to the stuttering in browsers, I have made several attempts with the > settings in the past, but had no significant success. > > Does x2goKdrive work with the TCE? > Then Kdrive would be my last chance with x2go and I would try it out. > > Greetings, > Olaf > > > > On Thu, 11 May 2023 22:11:19 +0200 > Olaf Staubus wrote: > > > Hello Stefan, > > > > Thank you for the great tip. Pale Moon really runs a lot smoother. > > > > Would that work much better with KDrive than this combination with > > PaleMoon? > > > > If I can optimize this a bit, then I could save myself the switch to > > LTSP that was actually planned for this reason. > > > > Greeting, > > Olaf > ___ > x2go-user mailing list > x2go-user@lists.x2go.org > https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] x2go and jerky websites
Hi Stefan & Uli! Unfortunately, it has now turned out that Pale-Moon is not compatible with one of the websites that I absolutely need. The drop down menus included there freezes the browser for a long time as far as I can tell. Since the Pale-Moon forum hasn't been available for a long time and I don't see any other support, I can't get any further. Uli, Thank you for the information about the differences. Due to the stuttering in browsers, I have made several attempts with the settings in the past, but had no significant success. Does x2goKdrive work with the TCE? Then Kdrive would be my last chance with x2go and I would try it out. Greetings, Olaf On Thu, 11 May 2023 22:11:19 +0200 Olaf Staubus wrote: > Hello Stefan, > > Thank you for the great tip. Pale Moon really runs a lot smoother. > > Would that work much better with KDrive than this combination with > PaleMoon? > > If I can optimize this a bit, then I could save myself the switch to > LTSP that was actually planned for this reason. > > Greeting, > Olaf ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] x2go and jerky websites
Hi, for a better understanding: x2go uses NX and NX is optimized for the X11 protocol, reducing both bandwidth and latency. Recent firefox releases do not use that protocol anymore to display their windows and content. This means that NX has to handle everything Firefox draws as images, which is far less efficient (instead of transferring the command "draw a circle here with radius 100 and this pen" it has to grab the area where firefox draws the image and transfer that area as graphics to the other side). AFAIK Palemoon still uses the X11 protocol and therefore still benefits from NX. x2gokdrive does not use NX technology at all but concentrates completely on transferring graphics only. While this guarantees better compatibility with current Xorg server versions (x2gokdrive is derived from a current Xorg version while NX is derived from a much older version) I assume it also requires more bandwidth. Instead of switching to Palemoon you might want to experiment with the line speed and/or compression settings in x2goclient. For some insights see here: https://github.com/ArcticaProject/nx-libs/issues/802 Some time ago you could also disable smooth scrolling in Firefox (open about:config and search for "smooth") which might help in the current situation, too, but I am not sure if Firefox siullt offers that switch.I also recommend an extension like https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/disable-transitions/ to disable some bandwidth intensive sugar in firefox (e.g. gradient greying of backgrounds while cookie banner pops up). HTH Uli On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 10:11 PM Olaf Staubus wrote: > > Hello Stefan, > > Thank you for the great tip. Pale Moon really runs a lot smoother. > > Would that work much better with KDrive than this combination with PaleMoon? > > If I can optimize this a bit, then I could save myself the switch to LTSP > that was actually planned for this reason. > > Greeting, > Olaf > > > On Wed, 10 May 2023 16:15:52 +0200 > Stefan Baur wrote: > > > Hi Olaf! > > > > Am 10.05.23 um 15:12 schrieb Olaf Staubus: > > > I've been using x2go for a long time and I've always had the > > > problem of jerky scrolling on websites. > > > > > > In the meantime, however, I use cloud services in the browser, and > > > now another one is added. This is practically no longer usable with > > > my x2go installation. > > > > > > Is there a combination (Linux OS + browser) that runs really fast? > > > Videos aren't important, but modern websites shouldn't be > > > stuttering. > > > > For classic, NX-libs based X2Go, you should use Pale Moon instead of > > Firefox or Chrome. > > If you're willing to run X2Go nightly builds, you can switch over to > > X2Go-KDrive, this should give you better browser performance for > > Firefox and Chrome. (KDrive should become stable Real Soon Now TM, > > but at the moment, it's only available via our nightly builds.) > > > > Kind Regards, > > Stefan Baur > > > > ___ > x2go-user mailing list > x2go-user@lists.x2go.org > https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] x2go and jerky websites
Hello Stefan, Thank you for the great tip. Pale Moon really runs a lot smoother. Would that work much better with KDrive than this combination with PaleMoon? If I can optimize this a bit, then I could save myself the switch to LTSP that was actually planned for this reason. Greeting, Olaf On Wed, 10 May 2023 16:15:52 +0200 Stefan Baur wrote: > Hi Olaf! > > Am 10.05.23 um 15:12 schrieb Olaf Staubus: > > I've been using x2go for a long time and I've always had the > > problem of jerky scrolling on websites. > > > > In the meantime, however, I use cloud services in the browser, and > > now another one is added. This is practically no longer usable with > > my x2go installation. > > > > Is there a combination (Linux OS + browser) that runs really fast? > > Videos aren't important, but modern websites shouldn't be > > stuttering. > > For classic, NX-libs based X2Go, you should use Pale Moon instead of > Firefox or Chrome. > If you're willing to run X2Go nightly builds, you can switch over to > X2Go-KDrive, this should give you better browser performance for > Firefox and Chrome. (KDrive should become stable Real Soon Now TM, > but at the moment, it's only available via our nightly builds.) > > Kind Regards, > Stefan Baur > ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] x2go and jerky websites
Hi Olaf! Am 10.05.23 um 15:12 schrieb Olaf Staubus: I've been using x2go for a long time and I've always had the problem of jerky scrolling on websites. In the meantime, however, I use cloud services in the browser, and now another one is added. This is practically no longer usable with my x2go installation. Is there a combination (Linux OS + browser) that runs really fast? Videos aren't important, but modern websites shouldn't be stuttering. For classic, NX-libs based X2Go, you should use Pale Moon instead of Firefox or Chrome. If you're willing to run X2Go nightly builds, you can switch over to X2Go-KDrive, this should give you better browser performance for Firefox and Chrome. (KDrive should become stable Real Soon Now TM, but at the moment, it's only available via our nightly builds.) Kind Regards, Stefan Baur -- BAUR-ITCS UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Geschäftsführer: Stefan Baur Eichenäckerweg 10, 89081 Ulm | Registergericht Ulm, HRB 724364 Fon/Fax 0731 40 34 66-36/-35 | USt-IdNr.: DE268653243 ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
[X2Go-User] x2go and jerky websites
Hello! I've been using x2go for a long time and I've always had the problem of jerky scrolling on websites. In the meantime, however, I use cloud services in the browser, and now another one is added. This is practically no longer usable with my x2go installation. Is there a combination (Linux OS + browser) that runs really fast? Videos aren't important, but modern websites shouldn't be stuttering. Greeting, Olaf ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
