Re: [Xastir] New user..and thanks..
On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 11:26:46PM -0700, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing: > On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 02:16:41PM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron > collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing: > > On Sat, 18 Nov 2006, Jeff Mohler wrote: > > > > > Im trying to add shapelib via the instructions and get this error in 'make > > > lib': > > > > > > /usr/bin/ld -G -h libshp.so.1 -o .libs/libshp.so.1.0.1 shpopen.lo > > > shptree.lo dbfopen.lo -lc > > > dbfopen.lo: In function `DBFReadAttribute': > > > /cygdrive/c/Documents and > > > Settings/jmohler/src/shapelib/shapelib-1.2.10/dbfopen.c:716: undefined > > > reference to `__getreent' > > > /cygdrive/c/Documents and > > > Settings/jmohler/src/shapelib/shapelib-1.2.10/dbfopen.c:724: undefined > > > reference to `__getreent' > > > make: *** [lib] Error 1 > > > > Tom: Does the internal-Shapelib code compile properly on Cygwin, or > > must the same change be made? > > Eeep! > > Yes, the same change must be made! Actually, on second thought, it probably doesn't --- that's shared library stuff, and we're building a simpler thing without reentrant code. I'll try it out tomorrow on my losedows machine. -- Tom RussoKM5VY SAR502 DM64ux http://www.swcp.com/~russo/ Tijeras, NM QRPL#1592 K2#398 SOC#236 AHTB#1 http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM "And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit!" --- The Tick ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New user..and thanks..
On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 02:16:41PM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing: > On Sat, 18 Nov 2006, Jeff Mohler wrote: > > > Im trying to add shapelib via the instructions and get this error in 'make > > lib': > > > > /usr/bin/ld -G -h libshp.so.1 -o .libs/libshp.so.1.0.1 shpopen.lo > > shptree.lo dbfopen.lo -lc > > dbfopen.lo: In function `DBFReadAttribute': > > /cygdrive/c/Documents and > > Settings/jmohler/src/shapelib/shapelib-1.2.10/dbfopen.c:716: undefined > > reference to `__getreent' > > /cygdrive/c/Documents and > > Settings/jmohler/src/shapelib/shapelib-1.2.10/dbfopen.c:724: undefined > > reference to `__getreent' > > make: *** [lib] Error 1 > > Tom: Does the internal-Shapelib code compile properly on Cygwin, or > must the same change be made? Eeep! Yes, the same change must be made! -- Tom RussoKM5VY SAR502 DM64ux http://www.swcp.com/~russo/ Tijeras, NM QRPL#1592 K2#398 SOC#236 AHTB#1 http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM "And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit!" --- The Tick ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New user..and thanks..
Ya..that thought hit me at dinner..just have to get a second base radio. ;) On 11/18/06, Jason Winningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Nov 18, 2006, at 6:35 PM, Jeff Mohler wrote: > Not sure what to do with timing yet, most of the time we'll have no > more than 5 vehicles to track, at Mid Ohio I could have up to 12-15. > I'll have to play with the options in the opentracker on the sending > side, to see how I can most intelligently deal with near-real-time > updates. When in action, 30s is far too slow, but I dont see how 5 > vehicles could xmit updates every 5 seconds without lots of > collisions. Use another frequency - let odd vehicles use freq A and even vehicles use freq B. The xastir station has a receiver/TNC on each frequency. With frequent updates, timeslotting is your friend. Now that I think about it, if you're updating every few seconds there may be a bit of latency in xastir's display processing. -Jason kg4wsv ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New user..and thanks..
On Nov 18, 2006, at 6:35 PM, Jeff Mohler wrote: Not sure what to do with timing yet, most of the time we'll have no more than 5 vehicles to track, at Mid Ohio I could have up to 12-15. I'll have to play with the options in the opentracker on the sending side, to see how I can most intelligently deal with near-real-time updates. When in action, 30s is far too slow, but I dont see how 5 vehicles could xmit updates every 5 seconds without lots of collisions. Use another frequency - let odd vehicles use freq A and even vehicles use freq B. The xastir station has a receiver/TNC on each frequency. With frequent updates, timeslotting is your friend. Now that I think about it, if you're updating every few seconds there may be a bit of latency in xastir's display processing. -Jason kg4wsv ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New user..and thanks..
On Nov 18, 2006, at 5:52 PM, James Ewen wrote: I'm not sure if the OpenTracker is able to sync to the GPS time embedded in the NMEA strings or not. it does. A timeslot every other second is no sweat. If your packets and TXdelay are short you can probably get one a second. -Jason kg4wsv ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New user..and thanks..
You can use the track map from the website as a base map, all you need to do is tell Xastir where the corners of the image are in relation to the face of the Earth (the .geo file). You could also capture the satellite photo from Google Earth, and create a .geo file for that image. --- Ive just this moment finished making my first map, discovered that they have to be square in the process. My preference would be to capture a large image (2000 pixels across or so) from Google Earth, and use that.You would be able to see a fairly decent image of the track when zoomed in, or back out to watch the full track. --- 640x640 fit everything just fine. How many safety vehicles are you tracking? Crash Trucks, Ambulances, Tow Trucks, etc? Are you looking at time slotting them, or having them use SmartBeaconing with rapid update parameters when in motion? Smart Beaconing would have only the responding vehicles making noise, but could have the occasional packet collision. Time slotting would have the packets running all the time, with constant monitoring of operational status of each tracker. With low power handheld radios, you shouldn't have to worry about current drain too much. The safety vehicles will probably be running enough to never worry about killing the battery. --- The 25hr race test will be pace car only, and I will be adding vehicles to the system starting with the first races in February. I'd probably run timeslotting with every safety vehicle reporting once per minute as a minimum. I'm not sure if the OpenTracker is able to sync to the GPS time embedded in the NMEA strings or not. You would want to keep the time slotting accurate. Depending on the number of safety vehicles, you might be able to do 30 second updates. (This is on a private frequency, not 144.390... don't get your panties in a bunch!) --- Ya..were on our own licensed RF..not HAM. Not sure what to do with timing yet, most of the time we'll have no more than 5 vehicles to track, at Mid Ohio I could have up to 12-15. I'll have to play with the options in the opentracker on the sending side, to see how I can most intelligently deal with near-real-time updates. When in action, 30s is far too slow, but I dont see how 5 vehicles could xmit updates every 5 seconds without lots of collisions. It sure would be great to have a realtime tactical map of the location of all safety assets at all times. This is a perfect example of textbook use of APRS as a real time tactical display tool. With APRS on the Safety crews, and Xastir dead reckoning their movements, you'll have just about the same thing. BTW, beautiful facility! I LOVE turn 5! That must give a great sphincter muscle workout to all the drivers. The rest of the course is pretty wild as well. What a workout for the bike riders! --- Depends how you take it. Normal track path is CCW, and up to the top of 5 is no challenge, but coming down is the trick, get it wrong and youre sideways instantly. Around the bypass is lff camber, fast, peaking..and where the two paths intersect the asphalt has a transition..thats a LOT of fun. CW direction both ways around 5 are very fun..total amusement ride. http://www.speedtoys.biz/downloads/Sequence.mpg is a set of videos from a few years ago I strung together in my instructor car, I dont hany any videos from the racecar for download. ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New user..and thanks..
On 11/18/06, Curt Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How much creativity do I have available to me to create a custom map? You can create your own maps in any of the formats that Xastir can use. If using images, you can create a large one, tile it into smaller pieces, and set up a .GEO file for each one. Xastir can then load the ones of interest as it needs to. Just further to what Curt has said above... You can use the track map from the website as a base map, all you need to do is tell Xastir where the corners of the image are in relation to the face of the Earth (the .geo file). You could also capture the satellite photo from Google Earth, and create a .geo file for that image. My preference would be to capture a large image (2000 pixels across or so) from Google Earth, and use that.You would be able to see a fairly decent image of the track when zoomed in, or back out to watch the full track. How many safety vehicles are you tracking? Crash Trucks, Ambulances, Tow Trucks, etc? Are you looking at time slotting them, or having them use SmartBeaconing with rapid update parameters when in motion? Smart Beaconing would have only the responding vehicles making noise, but could have the occasional packet collision. Time slotting would have the packets running all the time, with constant monitoring of operational status of each tracker. With low power handheld radios, you shouldn't have to worry about current drain too much. The safety vehicles will probably be running enough to never worry about killing the battery. I'd probably run timeslotting with every safety vehicle reporting once per minute as a minimum. I'm not sure if the OpenTracker is able to sync to the GPS time embedded in the NMEA strings or not. You would want to keep the time slotting accurate. Depending on the number of safety vehicles, you might be able to do 30 second updates. (This is on a private frequency, not 144.390... don't get your panties in a bunch!) It sure would be great to have a realtime tactical map of the location of all safety assets at all times. This is a perfect example of textbook use of APRS as a real time tactical display tool. I've run safety net control for a couple Cascar events here in Edmonton, as well as main control for the Champ Car Grand Prix of Edmonton. I've used pins/magnets for keeping track of assets, but there's nothing like having that automated for you. The Champ cars all have transponders onboard that get picked up by trackside recorders, and then their computer system dead reckons the position between trackside recorders. That gives a great view of what's happening on track. With APRS on the Safety crews, and Xastir dead reckoning their movements, you'll have just about the same thing. BTW, beautiful facility! I LOVE turn 5! That must give a great sphincter muscle workout to all the drivers. The rest of the course is pretty wild as well. What a workout for the bike riders! James VE6SRV ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New user..and thanks..
> Im trying to add shapelib via the instructions and get this error in 'make > lib': > > /usr/bin/ld -G -h libshp.so.1 -o .libs/libshp.so.1.0.1 shpopen.lo > shptree.lo dbfopen.lo -lc > dbfopen.lo: In function `DBFReadAttribute': > /cygdrive/c/Documents and > Settings/jmohler/src/shapelib/shapelib-1.2.10/dbfopen.c:716: undefined > reference to `__getreent' > /cygdrive/c/Documents and > Settings/jmohler/src/shapelib/shapelib-1.2.10/dbfopen.c:724: undefined > reference to `__getreent' > make: *** [lib] Error 1 That's documented in the HowTo:Windows file and in the README.win32 file from which it's based. Scan down to where it says: [ ] Edit Shapelib's Makefile to remove the space after the "-h" on the line that looks like this: It specifically mentions that issue. --- I did that, with and without the space in there, same error, but the readme calls out a different undefined reference. It mentions impure_ptr, my error is different (getreent) and that doesnt grep in the source anywhere. ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
[Xastir] Map layers
Somewhere in all the docs was some suggestions on what map layer to use for radar and the base map (tiger). I can't seem to find that info. I tried 9 for the radar map, but the screen was just black with no tigermap and just the icons. Someone please enlighten me. By the way, my festival server keeps dying. Anyone else have that problem? Jim ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New user..and thanks..
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006, Jeff Mohler wrote: > Im trying to add shapelib via the instructions and get this error in 'make > lib': > > /usr/bin/ld -G -h libshp.so.1 -o .libs/libshp.so.1.0.1 shpopen.lo > shptree.lo dbfopen.lo -lc > dbfopen.lo: In function `DBFReadAttribute': > /cygdrive/c/Documents and > Settings/jmohler/src/shapelib/shapelib-1.2.10/dbfopen.c:716: undefined > reference to `__getreent' > /cygdrive/c/Documents and > Settings/jmohler/src/shapelib/shapelib-1.2.10/dbfopen.c:724: undefined > reference to `__getreent' > make: *** [lib] Error 1 Tom: Does the internal-Shapelib code compile properly on Cygwin, or must the same change be made? -- Curt, WE7U. archer at eskimo dot com http://www.eskimo.com/~archer Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math. - unknown Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates. - WE7U. The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system!" ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New user..and thanks..
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006, Jeff Mohler wrote: > But I'd like to use Windows as the base OS, just that I keep trying to > find a comprehensive set of Cygwin install instructions where all of > the steps still work today in 2006. (Picky eh?) > > That seems to hold the most hope in reducing complexity in code & > compiling to get a system where I can view maps, and _create_ maps. I personally think of Cygwin on Windows as adding complexity, but maybe that's just me. I'd run it on a Linux OS, perhaps a live-CD version or something so that you can just boot the laptop into it and skip the hard drive install altogether. With limited time and all that it might not be a good option for you though. Tried and true _something_ is what you should be aiming for at this point. > How much creativity do I have available to me to create a custom map? You can create your own maps in any of the formats that Xastir can use. If using images, you can create a large one, tile it into smaller pieces, and set up a .GEO file for each one. Xastir can then load the ones of interest as it needs to. The facilities in Xastir itself for creating maps are rudimentary, but may be good enough for you. They revolve around creating Shapefile maps. No reason you have to create them with Xastir though. > As for the data, I will be using opentracker using our 2-way VHF > radios (spare ones) on a separate channel from voice to transmit data, > and a base radio with audio output to the windows sound card to input > with Soundmodem for windows..the data. If using AGWPE on Windows, make sure you test it all out and also that your audio mixer settings get saved/restored properly. This will hopefully make the portable setups nice and reliable for decoding packets. -- Curt, WE7U. archer at eskimo dot com http://www.eskimo.com/~archer Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math. - unknown Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates. - WE7U. The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system!" ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New user..and thanks..
On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 01:26:35PM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing: > Thanks Tom..I kept going straight to other instructions..and didnt get > into -that- document far enough. > > Fantastic. > > > Im trying to add shapelib via the instructions and get this error in 'make > lib': > > /usr/bin/ld -G -h libshp.so.1 -o .libs/libshp.so.1.0.1 shpopen.lo > shptree.lo dbfopen.lo -lc > dbfopen.lo: In function `DBFReadAttribute': > /cygdrive/c/Documents and > Settings/jmohler/src/shapelib/shapelib-1.2.10/dbfopen.c:716: undefined > reference to `__getreent' > /cygdrive/c/Documents and > Settings/jmohler/src/shapelib/shapelib-1.2.10/dbfopen.c:724: undefined > reference to `__getreent' > make: *** [lib] Error 1 That's documented in the HowTo:Windows file and in the README.win32 file from which it's based. Scan down to where it says: [ ] Edit Shapelib's Makefile to remove the space after the "-h" on the line that looks like this: It specifically mentions that issue. Also, you can just use the "get-maptools.sh" script described towards the end of the shapelib section, which will take care of all the arcane junk that has to happen. > But..before I get too far, is this going to work with any manner of > soundmodem or method to get data from a VHF radio into xastir on > cygwin? Yes. It works with AGWPE. You'll have to download it and get it working yourself according to its various well-written documentation, but once you do have it working xastir can connect to the running AGWPE and use it as a TNC. > On 11/18/06, Tom Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 02:26:06AM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron > >collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing: > >> > >> But I'd like to use Windows as the base OS, just that I keep trying to > >> find a comprehensive set of Cygwin install instructions where all of > >> the steps still work today in 2006. (Picky eh?) > > > >The steps in the HowTo:Windows page on the wiki (http://www.xastir.org/) > >are > >pretty current. If there's anything that's out of date it's that that page > >says that ImageMagick is broken in Cygwin, and that was apparently fixed > >several weeks ago. > > > >-- > >Tom RussoKM5VY SAR502 DM64ux http://www.swcp.com/~russo/ > >Tijeras, NM QRPL#1592 K2#398 SOC#236 AHTB#1 > >http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM > >"And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get > >is > > one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, > > oooh, the sky is the limit!" --- The Tick > > -- Tom RussoKM5VY SAR502 DM64ux http://www.swcp.com/~russo/ Tijeras, NM QRPL#1592 K2#398 SOC#236 AHTB#1 http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM "And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit!" --- The Tick ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New user..and thanks..
Thanks Tom..I kept going straight to other instructions..and didnt get into -that- document far enough. Fantastic. Im trying to add shapelib via the instructions and get this error in 'make lib': /usr/bin/ld -G -h libshp.so.1 -o .libs/libshp.so.1.0.1 shpopen.lo shptree.lo dbfopen.lo -lc dbfopen.lo: In function `DBFReadAttribute': /cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/jmohler/src/shapelib/shapelib-1.2.10/dbfopen.c:716: undefined reference to `__getreent' /cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/jmohler/src/shapelib/shapelib-1.2.10/dbfopen.c:724: undefined reference to `__getreent' make: *** [lib] Error 1 Thanks for any assistance. :) But..before I get too far, is this going to work with any manner of soundmodem or method to get data from a VHF radio into xastir on cygwin? On 11/18/06, Tom Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 02:26:06AM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing: > > But I'd like to use Windows as the base OS, just that I keep trying to > find a comprehensive set of Cygwin install instructions where all of > the steps still work today in 2006. (Picky eh?) The steps in the HowTo:Windows page on the wiki (http://www.xastir.org/) are pretty current. If there's anything that's out of date it's that that page says that ImageMagick is broken in Cygwin, and that was apparently fixed several weeks ago. -- Tom RussoKM5VY SAR502 DM64ux http://www.swcp.com/~russo/ Tijeras, NM QRPL#1592 K2#398 SOC#236 AHTB#1 http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM "And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit!" --- The Tick ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New user..and thanks..
On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 02:26:06AM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing: > > But I'd like to use Windows as the base OS, just that I keep trying to > find a comprehensive set of Cygwin install instructions where all of > the steps still work today in 2006. (Picky eh?) The steps in the HowTo:Windows page on the wiki (http://www.xastir.org/) are pretty current. If there's anything that's out of date it's that that page says that ImageMagick is broken in Cygwin, and that was apparently fixed several weeks ago. -- Tom RussoKM5VY SAR502 DM64ux http://www.swcp.com/~russo/ Tijeras, NM QRPL#1592 K2#398 SOC#236 AHTB#1 http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM "And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit!" --- The Tick ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
[Xastir] New user..and thanks..
Ive spent the last week looking at the different OS's and ways to use Xastir. But here is where im at today.. My goal is a graphical system that can track via GPS our safety vehicles at racetracks in CA. My test has to be up and working for pace car at our 25hr endurance race here: http://www.nasa25hour.com/ ..so Xastir appears to be a good method to create a custom map, and track this one vehicle as a dry run, then build this up to tracking 15 vehicles in February. Fedora linux isnt a bad option, but very unsupportable for the end user im building this for...and mind you im -very- new to Xastir/APRS/etc. But I'd like to use Windows as the base OS, just that I keep trying to find a comprehensive set of Cygwin install instructions where all of the steps still work today in 2006. (Picky eh?) That seems to hold the most hope in reducing complexity in code & compiling to get a system where I can view maps, and _create_ maps. How much creativity do I have available to me to create a custom map? As for the data, I will be using opentracker using our 2-way VHF radios (spare ones) on a separate channel from voice to transmit data, and a base radio with audio output to the windows sound card to input with Soundmodem for windows..the data. Am I on the right track? ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
