Re: [Xastir] xastir in Ubuntu

[Tom Russo]

On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:29:54PM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron 
collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
> Thanks for updating the wiki!  I followed the steps that you mentioned and
> apt-get still would not install the libmotif* stuff (same errors).  I
> noticed your note on Synaptic and that did work for me.  Many thanks!

Hmmm.  There are multiple multiverse lines in my /etc/apt/sources.list
file, but I don't know which one is specifically needed for getting 
the openmotif stuff.  Clicking the single "multiverse" button in Synaptic just
uncomments them all (or adds additional ones, I'm not sure) --- so it 
accomplishes the same thing without manual editing and guessing.

> Learned a few new things tonight!  Thanks for taking the time to hold my
> hand.

Glad you got it going.

> On 3/1/07 9:31 PM, "Greg Eigsti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Tom, I'll give a try here in a bit.
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > On 3/1/07 9:23 PM, "Tom Russo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:19:22PM -0700, we recorded a bogon-computron
> >> collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
> >>> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 09:01:04PM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron
> >>> collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
>  At home this evening I followed the instructions on the Ubunto howto and 
>  am
>  still not able to get the motif packages...  Good news is that I was able
>  to
>  get gdal built via get-maptools.sh after following the howto steps.
>  
>  
>  
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/HAM/xastir$ sudo apt-get install libmotif-dev
>  Reading package lists... Done
>  Building dependency tree
>  Reading state information... Done
>  Package libmotif-dev is not available, but is referred to by another
>  package.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Which Ubuntu version are you running?  On my Ubuntu 6.10, I see that
> >>> libmotif3 and libmotif-dev were both obtained from the Multiverse
> >>> repository.
> >>> Do you have this repository enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
> >>> (or in Synaptic)?
> >>> 
> >>> Lesstif is in the "universe" repository, because of its different license.
> >> 
> >> ANd I see that this essential bit of information is missing from the HowTo,
> >> because it was originally written describing how to get xastir working with
> >> lesstif --- I'm editing the wiki page now to add the instructions to
> >> add multiverse.
> >> 
>  On 3/1/07 2:50 PM, "Tom Russo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
> > On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:53:41AM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron
> > collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
> >> 
> >> On Mar 1, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Greg Eigsti wrote:
> >> 
> >>> What is the name of the OpenMotif package under Ubuntu?
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> You will need libmotif3 and libmotif-dev.
> >> 
> > 
> > For all of your information, I list the entire set of packages that are
> > needed to build xastir from source on Ubuntu 6.10 on the xastir wiki 
> > page
> > 
> > This includes the OpenMotif package, and describes how to switch from
> > lesstif to openmotif if you've already installed xastir with the other
> > library.
> > 
> > It is rather straightforward, but there are a lot of packages to 
> > download.
>  
>  
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> >>> is
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Re: [Xastir] xastir in Ubuntu

[Greg Eigsti]

Thanks for updating the wiki!  I followed the steps that you mentioned and
apt-get still would not install the libmotif* stuff (same errors).  I
noticed your note on Synaptic and that did work for me.  Many thanks!

Learned a few new things tonight!  Thanks for taking the time to hold my
hand.

Greg


On 3/1/07 9:31 PM, "Greg Eigsti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks Tom, I'll give a try here in a bit.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On 3/1/07 9:23 PM, "Tom Russo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:19:22PM -0700, we recorded a bogon-computron
>> collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
>>> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 09:01:04PM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron
>>> collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
 At home this evening I followed the instructions on the Ubunto howto and am
 still not able to get the motif packages...  Good news is that I was able
 to
 get gdal built via get-maptools.sh after following the howto steps.
 
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/HAM/xastir$ sudo apt-get install libmotif-dev
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree
 Reading state information... Done
 Package libmotif-dev is not available, but is referred to by another
 package.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Which Ubuntu version are you running?  On my Ubuntu 6.10, I see that
>>> libmotif3 and libmotif-dev were both obtained from the Multiverse
>>> repository.
>>> Do you have this repository enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
>>> (or in Synaptic)?
>>> 
>>> Lesstif is in the "universe" repository, because of its different license.
>> 
>> ANd I see that this essential bit of information is missing from the HowTo,
>> because it was originally written describing how to get xastir working with
>> lesstif --- I'm editing the wiki page now to add the instructions to
>> add multiverse.
>> 
 On 3/1/07 2:50 PM, "Tom Russo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:53:41AM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron
> collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Greg Eigsti wrote:
>> 
>>> What is the name of the OpenMotif package under Ubuntu?
>>> 
>> 
>> You will need libmotif3 and libmotif-dev.
>> 
> 
> For all of your information, I list the entire set of packages that are
> needed to build xastir from source on Ubuntu 6.10 on the xastir wiki page
> 
> This includes the OpenMotif package, and describes how to switch from
> lesstif to openmotif if you've already installed xastir with the other
> library.
> 
> It is rather straightforward, but there are a lot of packages to download.
 
 
 
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>>> Tijeras, NM  QRPL#1592 K2#398  SOC#236 AHTB#1
>>> http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM
>>> "And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get
>>> is
>>>  one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh,
>>>  oooh, the sky is the limit!"  --- The Tick
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Re: [Xastir] xastir in Ubuntu

[Greg Eigsti]

Thanks Tom, I'll give a try here in a bit.

Greg


On 3/1/07 9:23 PM, "Tom Russo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:19:22PM -0700, we recorded a bogon-computron
> collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
>> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 09:01:04PM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron
>> collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
>>> At home this evening I followed the instructions on the Ubunto howto and am
>>> still not able to get the motif packages...  Good news is that I was able to
>>> get gdal built via get-maptools.sh after following the howto steps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/HAM/xastir$ sudo apt-get install libmotif-dev
>>> Reading package lists... Done
>>> Building dependency tree
>>> Reading state information... Done
>>> Package libmotif-dev is not available, but is referred to by another
>>> package.
>> 
>> 
>> Which Ubuntu version are you running?  On my Ubuntu 6.10, I see that
>> libmotif3 and libmotif-dev were both obtained from the Multiverse repository.
>> Do you have this repository enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
>> (or in Synaptic)?
>> 
>> Lesstif is in the "universe" repository, because of its different license.
> 
> ANd I see that this essential bit of information is missing from the HowTo,
> because it was originally written describing how to get xastir working with
> lesstif --- I'm editing the wiki page now to add the instructions to
> add multiverse.
> 
>>> On 3/1/07 2:50 PM, "Tom Russo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> 
 On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:53:41AM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron
 collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
> 
> On Mar 1, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Greg Eigsti wrote:
> 
>> What is the name of the OpenMotif package under Ubuntu?
>> 
> 
> You will need libmotif3 and libmotif-dev.
> 
 
 For all of your information, I list the entire set of packages that are
 needed to build xastir from source on Ubuntu 6.10 on the xastir wiki page
 
 This includes the OpenMotif package, and describes how to switch from
 lesstif to openmotif if you've already installed xastir with the other
 library.
 
 It is rather straightforward, but there are a lot of packages to download.
>>> 
>>> 
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>> Tijeras, NM  QRPL#1592 K2#398  SOC#236 AHTB#1
>> http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM
>> "And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is
>>  one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh,
>>  oooh, the sky is the limit!"  --- The Tick
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Re: [Xastir] xastir in Ubuntu

[Tom Russo]

On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:19:22PM -0700, we recorded a bogon-computron 
collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 09:01:04PM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron 
> collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
> > At home this evening I followed the instructions on the Ubunto howto and am
> > still not able to get the motif packages...  Good news is that I was able to
> > get gdal built via get-maptools.sh after following the howto steps.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/HAM/xastir$ sudo apt-get install libmotif-dev
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree
> > Reading state information... Done
> > Package libmotif-dev is not available, but is referred to by another
> > package.
> 
> 
> Which Ubuntu version are you running?  On my Ubuntu 6.10, I see that
> libmotif3 and libmotif-dev were both obtained from the Multiverse repository.
> Do you have this repository enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
> (or in Synaptic)?
> 
> Lesstif is in the "universe" repository, because of its different license.

ANd I see that this essential bit of information is missing from the HowTo,
because it was originally written describing how to get xastir working with
lesstif --- I'm editing the wiki page now to add the instructions to
add multiverse.

> > On 3/1/07 2:50 PM, "Tom Russo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:53:41AM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron
> > > collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
> > >> 
> > >> On Mar 1, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Greg Eigsti wrote:
> > >> 
> > >>> What is the name of the OpenMotif package under Ubuntu?
> > >>> 
> > >> 
> > >> You will need libmotif3 and libmotif-dev.
> > >> 
> > > 
> > > For all of your information, I list the entire set of packages that are
> > > needed to build xastir from source on Ubuntu 6.10 on the xastir wiki page
> > > 
> > > This includes the OpenMotif package, and describes how to switch from
> > > lesstif to openmotif if you've already installed xastir with the other
> > > library.
> > > 
> > > It is rather straightforward, but there are a lot of packages to download.
> > 
> > 
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> "And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is
>  one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh,
>  oooh, the sky is the limit!"  --- The Tick
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Re: [Xastir] Xastir is not reading APRS reports from my Kenwood TH-D7(g)

[Tom Russo]

On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 09:15:22PM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron 
collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
> Problem:
> Xastir is not reading APRS reports from my Kenwood TH-D7(g).
> 
> Information:
> Dell Latitude CPt
> Xastir v1.8.2
> Kubuntu 6.10
> COM1 enabled in BIOS
> Kenwood on "Device 0 UP Serial TNC /dev/ttyS0".
> Using Xastir defaults.
> dmesg reports: serial8250 ttys0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq=4) 16550A
> Kenwood has the TNC turned on and I can see the APRS objects on the Kenwood
> screen.
> 
> Any ideas of how I can make this work or troubleshoot?

Did you use the "tnc-startup.thd7" startup script and "tnc-stop.thd7" stop 
script when you defined the interface?  

If you can see the APRS objects on the kenwood screen, then xastir hasn't
put it in PKT mode --- you can't use xastir with the D7 in APRS mode, it
has to be in PKT mode.  Putting the two correct scripts in the properties
dialog for the interface should make xastir get the d7 in the right mode on
startup, and put it back in standalone APRS mode when it shuts down.
 
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Re: [Xastir] xastir in Ubuntu

[Tom Russo]

On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 09:01:04PM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron 
collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
> At home this evening I followed the instructions on the Ubunto howto and am
> still not able to get the motif packages...  Good news is that I was able to
> get gdal built via get-maptools.sh after following the howto steps.
> 
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/HAM/xastir$ sudo apt-get install libmotif-dev
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> Package libmotif-dev is not available, but is referred to by another
> package.


Which Ubuntu version are you running?  On my Ubuntu 6.10, I see that
libmotif3 and libmotif-dev were both obtained from the Multiverse repository.
Do you have this repository enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
(or in Synaptic)?

Lesstif is in the "universe" repository, because of its different license.

> On 3/1/07 2:50 PM, "Tom Russo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:53:41AM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron
> > collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
> >> 
> >> On Mar 1, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Greg Eigsti wrote:
> >> 
> >>> What is the name of the OpenMotif package under Ubuntu?
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> You will need libmotif3 and libmotif-dev.
> >> 
> > 
> > For all of your information, I list the entire set of packages that are
> > needed to build xastir from source on Ubuntu 6.10 on the xastir wiki page
> > 
> > This includes the OpenMotif package, and describes how to switch from
> > lesstif to openmotif if you've already installed xastir with the other
> > library.
> > 
> > It is rather straightforward, but there are a lot of packages to download.
> 
> 
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[Xastir] Xastir is not reading APRS reports from my Kenwood TH-D7(g)

[Jake]

Problem:
Xastir is not reading APRS reports from my Kenwood TH-D7(g).

Information:
Dell Latitude CPt
Xastir v1.8.2
Kubuntu 6.10
COM1 enabled in BIOS
Kenwood on "Device 0 UP Serial TNC /dev/ttyS0".
Using Xastir defaults.
dmesg reports: serial8250 ttys0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq=4) 16550A
Kenwood has the TNC turned on and I can see the APRS objects on the Kenwood
screen.

Any ideas of how I can make this work or troubleshoot?

Thank you,

Jake
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Re: [Xastir] xastir in Ubuntu

[Greg Eigsti]

At home this evening I followed the instructions on the Ubunto howto and am
still not able to get the motif packages...  Good news is that I was able to
get gdal built via get-maptools.sh after following the howto steps.



[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/HAM/xastir$ sudo apt-get install libmotif-dev
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package libmotif-dev is not available, but is referred to by another
package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
However the following packages replace it:
  lesstif2-dev lesstif-dev
E: Package libmotif-dev has no installation candidate
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/HAM/xastir$ sudo apt-get install libmotif3
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Couldn't find package libmotif3

Greg


On 3/1/07 2:50 PM, "Tom Russo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:53:41AM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron
> collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Greg Eigsti wrote:
>> 
>>> What is the name of the OpenMotif package under Ubuntu?
>>> 
>> 
>> You will need libmotif3 and libmotif-dev.
>> 
> 
> For all of your information, I list the entire set of packages that are
> needed to build xastir from source on Ubuntu 6.10 on the xastir wiki page
> 
> This includes the OpenMotif package, and describes how to switch from
> lesstif to openmotif if you've already installed xastir with the other
> library.
> 
> It is rather straightforward, but there are a lot of packages to download.



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Re: [Xastir] Weird plotting

[James Ewen]

On 3/1/07, Tom Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This looks suspiciously like a digi that's holding packets too long before
digipeating them.
My memory's kinda dim on the subject, but as I recall
it is stale packets being re-transmitted long after later posits are created.

If you're seeing the behavior in a specific location, it's likely that the
nearby digi is malfunctioning somehow.  You might try searching the APRSSIG
archives for details, as I don't remember exactly what the mechanism is or
what the comment traits were.


Mountaintop digipeaters that can hear far too much will exhibit this
phenomenon. Let's pretend for sake of simplicity that all APRS users
set their path for 1 hop, making use of the digipeaters to simply
digipeat once and once only. The i-gates grab this information and
forward it on to the APRS-IS.

So, let's also look at the situation where Dave KJ5KG is driving along
near BIGDIGI. BIGDIGI can hear 5 other digipeaters. As Dave drives
along, he can be heard by the digipeater, and also a local i-gate. As
Dave drives along, his packets get digipeated and gated to the
APRS-IS. However, in one location Dave only gets heard by BIGDIGI...
he is shadowed from the i-gate. BIGDIGI attempts to gain access to the
channel, however the neighboring digipeaters are busy making noise.
BIGDIGI has to wait for a chance to get on the air. Meanwhile Dave's
tracker pumps out another position report which is heard by the
i-gate. Finally BIGDIGI finds a spot to digipeat the packet it has
been holding, and does so. The i-gate dutifully sends the packet along
to the APRS-IS.

This easily shows how packets can be sent 1 - 2 - 3, and get heard on
the APRS-IS in 1 - 3 - 2 order.

In a quiet area, it is rare to see packets get out of order, but in
higher density areas, it can happen on a regular basis. One thing that
quite often happens though is that people think that their local
digipeater is not heavily used when in fact the digipeater is hearing
a very active channel.

Remember the assumption above about single hop paths? I did that
specifically to get you thinking about channel usage with used up
paths. BIGDIGI would never act upon any packets except those that it
heard locally. It would never need to digipeat packets already handled
by another digipeater. However, those digipeaters within earshot still
use up local airtime according to the local digipeater. It may sound
like a really quiet channel on the ground, but that digipeater up on
the mountain, or on that huge tower doesn't hear as quiet a channel.

Digipeaters with incorrect DWAIT and SLOTTIME or TXDELAY settings can
wait for quite a while in a noisy area. The noise level is determined
by adding the activity on your local digipeater PLUS all the activity
on ALL digipeaters that the local digipeater can hear.

When you use a single hop path, you affect the channel load for the
local digipeater, and also those it can hear. When you use a 2 hop
path you affect your local digipeater, all digipeaters that can hear
the local digipeater, and also all digipeaters that can hear the
digipeaters that heard your local digipeater. You affect people one
hop further than the number of hops you are using.

James
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Re: [Xastir] Weird plotting

[Curt Mills]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Tom Russo wrote:

> This looks suspiciously like a digi that's holding packets too long before
> digipeating them.  Stuff like this has shown up in discussions on APRSSIG
> from time to time.  My memory's kinda dim on the subject, but as I recall
> it is stale packets being re-transmitted long after later posits are created.
> 
> If you're seeing the behavior in a specific location, it's likely that the
> nearby digi is malfunctioning somehow.  You might try searching the APRSSIG
> archives for details, as I don't remember exactly what the mechanism is or
> what the comment traits were.

By any chance have you clicked on "Disable Posit Dupe-checks" in the
File->Configure->Defaults dialog?  Having this feature _enabled_
will at least prevent you from backtracking if repeaters are sending
you an old packet that you've already received.  Won't solve the
entire problem though, but it might help.  In other words, make sure
the togglebutton is _not_ clicked to enable it.

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Re: [Xastir] Weird plotting

[Tom Russo]

On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 07:24:37PM -0500, we recorded a bogon-computron 
collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
> Good afternoon folks,
> 
> Has anybody noticed anything weird with plotting tracks?  I have 1.8.5
> (latest CVS) running on both my home and work Fedora Core 5 boxes.  I
> notice that the tail sometimes has two coursed plotted from the same posit
> but going in different directions and other weirdness.  Rather than trying
> do describe it, check out
> 
> http://www.kj5kg.net/snapshot.png
> http://www.kj5kg.net/snapshot2.net
> 
> I'm pretty sure that I'm not driving like my trail would suggest!  It's
> also interesting to note that Mike's K9MTN trail shows the same behavior
> in the same place!
> 
> The data in snapshot.png is from my TNC at home and snapshot2.png is via
> APRS-IS at work.
> 
> Also, the same phenomena happen when I download my track from findu.

This looks suspiciously like a digi that's holding packets too long before
digipeating them.  Stuff like this has shown up in discussions on APRSSIG
from time to time.  My memory's kinda dim on the subject, but as I recall
it is stale packets being re-transmitted long after later posits are created.

If you're seeing the behavior in a specific location, it's likely that the
nearby digi is malfunctioning somehow.  You might try searching the APRSSIG
archives for details, as I don't remember exactly what the mechanism is or
what the comment traits were.

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Re: [Xastir] xastir in Ubuntu

[Greg Eigsti]

Thanks!  Been there and done that but could not get xastir's configure to
recognize OpenMotif so I went with LessTif.  Looked like others were having
luck with Ubuntu and OpenMotif so I asked ;)

I'll give your page another look tonight and see if I can't get xastir to
build with OM.

Greg


On 3/1/07 2:50 PM, "Tom Russo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:53:41AM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron
> collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Greg Eigsti wrote:
>> 
>>> What is the name of the OpenMotif package under Ubuntu?
>>> 
>> 
>> You will need libmotif3 and libmotif-dev.
>> 
> 
> For all of your information, I list the entire set of packages that are
> needed to build xastir from source on Ubuntu 6.10 on the xastir wiki page
> 
> This includes the OpenMotif package, and describes how to switch from
> lesstif to openmotif if you've already installed xastir with the other
> library.
> 
> It is rather straightforward, but there are a lot of packages to download.



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[Xastir] Weird plotting

[ddclark_lists]

Good afternoon folks,

Has anybody noticed anything weird with plotting tracks?  I have 1.8.5
(latest CVS) running on both my home and work Fedora Core 5 boxes.  I
notice that the tail sometimes has two coursed plotted from the same posit
but going in different directions and other weirdness.  Rather than trying
do describe it, check out

http://www.kj5kg.net/snapshot.png
http://www.kj5kg.net/snapshot2.net

I'm pretty sure that I'm not driving like my trail would suggest!  It's
also interesting to note that Mike's K9MTN trail shows the same behavior
in the same place!

The data in snapshot.png is from my TNC at home and snapshot2.png is via
APRS-IS at work.

Also, the same phenomena happen when I download my track from findu.

73
Dave


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Re: [Xastir] xastir in Ubuntu

[Tom Russo]

On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:53:41AM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron 
collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
> 
> On Mar 1, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Greg Eigsti wrote:
> 
> >What is the name of the OpenMotif package under Ubuntu?
> >
> 
> You will need libmotif3 and libmotif-dev.
> 

For all of your information, I list the entire set of packages that are 
needed to build xastir from source on Ubuntu 6.10 on the xastir wiki page

This includes the OpenMotif package, and describes how to switch from
lesstif to openmotif if you've already installed xastir with the other library.

It is rather straightforward, but there are a lot of packages to download.

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Re: [Xastir] xastir in Ubuntu

[Bob Nielsen]

On Mar 1, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Greg Eigsti wrote:


What is the name of the OpenMotif package under Ubuntu?



You will need libmotif3 and libmotif-dev.

Bob, N7XY
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Re: [Xastir] xastir in Ubuntu

[Greg Eigsti]

What is the name of the OpenMotif package under Ubuntu?

Thanks
Greg


On 3/1/07 9:07 AM, "Richard Polivka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have compiled 1.85 with Lesstif and I have the same
> issues. I will recompile with OpenMotif and give it
> another shot.
> 
> Richard, N6NKO
> 
> --- Curt Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Rick Green wrote:
>> 
>>> Oops, I spoke too soon.  1.8.5 has the bug which
>> causes the buttons on the
>>> interfaces menu to disappear after adding an
>> interface.  Can you suggest a
>>> more recent snapshot worthy of being widely
>> published?
>> 
>> Try the same version but with OpenMotif instead of
>> Lesstif.  I've
>> only noticed that particular bug when compiling with
>> Lesstif.  A
>> normal compiler with OpenMotif doesn't behave that
>> way.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Curt, WE7U.archer at eskimo dot com
>> http://www.eskimo.com/~archer
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>> unknown
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>> WE7U.
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Re: [Xastir] xastir in Ubuntu

[Richard Polivka]

I have compiled 1.85 with Lesstif and I have the same
issues. I will recompile with OpenMotif and give it
another shot.

Richard, N6NKO

--- Curt Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Rick Green wrote:
> 
> > Oops, I spoke too soon.  1.8.5 has the bug which
> causes the buttons on the
> > interfaces menu to disappear after adding an
> interface.  Can you suggest a
> > more recent snapshot worthy of being widely
> published?
> 
> Try the same version but with OpenMotif instead of
> Lesstif.  I've
> only noticed that particular bug when compiling with
> Lesstif.  A
> normal compiler with OpenMotif doesn't behave that
> way.
> 
> -- 
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> http://www.eskimo.com/~archer
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Re: [Xastir] xastir in Ubuntu

[Rick Green]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Curt Mills wrote:


On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Rick Green wrote:


Oops, I spoke too soon.  1.8.5 has the bug which causes the buttons on the
interfaces menu to disappear after adding an interface.  Can you suggest a
more recent snapshot worthy of being widely published?


Try the same version but with OpenMotif instead of Lesstif.  I've
only noticed that particular bug when compiling with Lesstif.  A
normal compiler with OpenMotif doesn't behave that way.

 Is openmotif a default package in Ubuntu?  Will compiling against lesstif 
require it to be installed, which might break other ubuntu packages?


The effect was strange and short-lived.  I opened the interfaces dialog, 
clicked 'add', entered the address of my other workstation's server port, 
and saved it.  when it came back to the interface list, there were no 
buttons.  But when I closed that window, and re-opened it, the buttons 
were there again, and functional.
  I also vaguely remember the window being too narrow to read the 
interface comment, so I widened it.  Now when I open that window, I find 
that it's not resizable.  Neither the sidewalls, nor the bottom right 
corner can be dragged. Hmmm...


Now, I'm trying to figure out the error messages from debuild. I think 
it's wanting manpages for every executable.  And it's telling me it's 
looking for a source tarball and/or a xastir.orig. file in addition to 
the source tree itself.


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Re: [Xastir] xastir in Ubuntu

[Curt Mills]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Rick Green wrote:

> Oops, I spoke too soon.  1.8.5 has the bug which causes the buttons on the
> interfaces menu to disappear after adding an interface.  Can you suggest a
> more recent snapshot worthy of being widely published?

Try the same version but with OpenMotif instead of Lesstif.  I've
only noticed that particular bug when compiling with Lesstif.  A
normal compiler with OpenMotif doesn't behave that way.

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Re: [Xastir] Radar and Tigermaps

[Jason Winningham]

On Mar 1, 2007, at 6:27 AM, William M. Bickley wrote:

I can see either a weather radar or a Tigermap just fine, but I  
can't figure
out how to display both at the same time.  When I choose both, I  
only see

the Tigermap.  What's the trick?


map -> map chooser -> properties

make sure the radar is on a higher layer than the TIGER map.

-Jason
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[Xastir] Radar and Tigermaps

[William M. Bickley]

I can see either a weather radar or a Tigermap just fine, but I can't figure
out how to display both at the same time.  When I choose both, I only see
the Tigermap.  What's the trick?

Thanks,

Bill

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