Re: [XeTeX] Customizing footnote markers
Am Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:27:43 +0200 schrieb Alessandro Ceschini:
Sorry Phillip, but I can't find the way to post an attach here.
I can't just copy all the .tex file in a mail, it's just too long!
Then it is not a sensible minimal document.
You have a problem with a footnote definition. To demonstrate the
problem the lipsum package and a small document body should be
enough:
\usepackage{lipsum}
\begin{document}
text\footnote{\lipsum[1]}
\end{document}
Add to this minimal body the part of the preamble needed to
reproduce the problem. Start with your footnote definitions (between
\makeatletter and \makeatother). Then add if necessary other
packages.
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Cyril Niklaus wrote:
Would something like this make you happy? That's what I've been using for years.
Put it in your preamble. And of course, change the parindent size to somheting
you like.
\makeatletter
\renewcommand\@makefntext[1]{%
\vspace{2pt}%
\setlength\parindent{-1.8em}%
\setlength\leftskip{1.8em}%
\makebox[1.8em][l]{\normalfont\small\@thefnmark.}#1}
\makeatother
\makeatletter
\def\@makefnmark{{\addfontfeatures
{VerticalPosition=Superior}{\@thefnmark}}}
\makeatother
Off-list, I offered the following as a solution :
Here you are, Alessandro : just replace everything
from \usepackage{footmisc} to \begin{document}
with the fragment below, then hack it until it achieves
exactly what you need.
** Phil.
\usepackage{footmisc}
\makeatletter
\long \def \@makefntext #1%
{%
\noindent
\makebox [0pt][r]{\@thefnmark.\,}#1%
}
\makeatother
\begin{document}
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Re: [XeTeX] Customizing footnote markers
Sorry, list : didn't realise Alessandro's last message came via the list, so the previous attachment to list was unintended. Philip Taylor -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
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As I wrote: look in frenchb.ldf to find the french settings. The
definition of \@makefntext above is a simple example. Adjust it to
your need.
Since what I'm lacking here is indentation I tried to put together the
following collage by pasting a piece of code from frenchb.ldf.
\makeatletter
\newdimen\parindentFFN
\parindentFFN=10in
\renewcommand\@makefntext[1]{%
\parindentFFN\@thefnmark.~#1}
\makeatother
But I get the following error message:
! Illegal unit of measure (pt inserted).
to be read again
\unhbox
Anyone knows why it doesn't work?
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Re: [XeTeX] Customizing footnote markers
Alessandro Ceschini wrote:
As I wrote: look in frenchb.ldf to find the french settings. The
definition of \@makefntext above is a simple example. Adjust it to
your need.
Since what I'm lacking here is indentation I tried to put together the
following collage by pasting a piece of code from frenchb.ldf.
\makeatletter
\newdimen\parindentFFN
\parindentFFN=10in
\renewcommand\@makefntext[1]{%
\parindentFFN\@thefnmark.~#1}
\makeatother
But I get the following error message:
! Illegal unit of measure (pt inserted).
to be read again
\unhbox
Anyone knows why it doesn't work?
Well, it looks to me as if the expansion of @makefntext tries
to perform an assignment to \parindentFFN (even though
you omitted an explicit assignment operator); surely this is
not what you intended ?
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Well, it looks to me as if the expansion of @makefntext tries to perform an assignment to \parindentFFN (even though you omitted an explicit assignment operator); surely this is not what you intended ? I intended to have an indentation before the footnote marker. -- Alessandro Ceschini -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
Re: [XeTeX] Customizing footnote markers
Alessandro Ceschini wrote:
Well, it looks to me as if the expansion of @makefntext tries
to perform an assignment to \parindentFFN (even though
you omitted an explicit assignment operator); surely this is
not what you intended ?
I intended to have an indentation before the footnote marker.
Ah, but what you have, rather than an indentation, is the intended
/dimension /of the intendation (ten inches, in this case). If you want
this dimension to be used to effect an indentation, then you need to
add a command to cause an indentation (of specified dimension)
to take place. I don't speak LaTeX, but you might consider (e.g.)
\renewcommand \@makefntext [1]%
{%
\leavevmode \hbox to \parindentFFN {}\@thefnmark.~#1%
}
or something along those lines.
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Re: [XeTeX] Customizing footnote markers
I'd be curious to know what kind of a book could support a ten-inch indentation
before the footnote-cue...
John
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From: Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
To: Customizing footnote markers
Cc: Alessandro Ceschini
Sent: 05 June 2011 16:21
Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Customizing footnote markers
Alessandro Ceschini wrote:
Well, it looks to me as if the expansion of @makefntext tries
to perform an assignment to \parindentFFN (even though
you omitted an explicit assignment operator); surely this is
not what you intended ?
I intended to have an indentation before the footnote marker.
Ah, but what you have, rather than an indentation, is the intended
dimension of the intendation (ten inches, in this case). If you want
this dimension to be used to effect an indentation, then you need to
add a command to cause an indentation (of specified dimension)
to take place. I don't speak LaTeX, but you might consider (e.g.)
\renewcommand \@makefntext [1]%
{%
\leavevmode \hbox to \parindentFFN {}\@thefnmark.~#1%
}
or something along those lines.
Philip Taylor
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So should it look like this:
\makeatletter
\newdimen\parindentFFN
\parindentFFN=10in
\renewcommand \@makefntext [1]%
{%
\leavevmode \hbox to \parindentFFN {}\@thefnmark.~#1%
}
\makeatother
It doesn't work, anyhow.
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I'm sure '10in' is a mistake - rather 10pt?
And try replacing
\hbox to \parindentFFN {}
with
\hbox to \parindentFFN{\hfill}
(no space after FFN).
I would also replace
\@thefnmark.~#1
with
\@thefnmark.\kern 0.5em #1
Otherwise the ~ will give a variable space after each footnote-cue, whereas
it will look much better if there is a consistent space between each cue and
the text of the footnote (it doesn't have to be 0.5em: you could say 5pt,
or whatever you think will look best).
But I don't speak LaTeX either, and you may be doing something else wrong!
John
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To: Customizing footnote markers xetex@tug.org
Sent: 05 June 2011 16:32
Subject: [XeTeX] Customizing footnote markers
So should it look like this:
\makeatletter
\newdimen\parindentFFN
\parindentFFN=10in
\renewcommand \@makefntext [1]%
{%
\leavevmode \hbox to \parindentFFN {}\@thefnmark.~#1%
}
\makeatother
It doesn't work, anyhow.
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Forgive my bluntness, but It doesn't work, anyhow. doesn't seem calculated to encourage further help. Perhaps if you were to tell us in what way it doesn't work, and and/or attach a minimal source document that demonstrates the problem, there would be a greater probability of someone getting to the root of your problem. Philip Taylor -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
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John Was wrote:
I'm sure '10in' is a mistake - rather 10pt?
And try replacing
\hbox to \parindentFFN {}
with
\hbox to \parindentFFN{\hfill}
Why, John ? An \hbox can be empty, surely ?
(no space after FFN).
Again, why, John ? \parindentFFN is a control word, and
therefore soaks up the following space.
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Re: [XeTeX] Customizing footnote markers
That huge overfull \hbox is surely because you have specified 10 inches as the indentation. Try 10pt instead of 10in (leaving everything else as given), and see what happens. John - Original Message - From: Alessandro Ceschini alessandroceschini...@gmail.com To: Customizing footnote markers xetex@tug.org Sent: 05 June 2011 16:59 Subject: [XeTeX] Customizing footnote markers doesn't seem calculated to encourage further help. Perhaps if you were to tell us in what way it doesn't work, and and/or attach a minimal source document that demonstrates the problem, there would be a greater probability of someone getting to the root of your problem. I'm sorry, Phillip, the problem is that I don't know much about the \makeatletter programming environment. I just deal with normal Latex commands, so that's really Arabic for me. The only thing I can tell you is I get loads of warning messages like this: Overfull \hbox (381.70668pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 641--641 [][]\EU1/GaramondPremierPro(0)/m/n/10 67. []MIDALI| [43] And no indentation to be seen, actually numbers have all but disappeared and the text appears to be cut. -- Alessandro Ceschini -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
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Alessandro Ceschini wrote: I'm sorry, Phillip, the problem is that I don't know much about the \makeatletter programming environment. I just deal with normal Latex commands, so that's really Arabic for me. The only thing I can tell you is I get loads of warning messages like this: Overfull \hbox (381.70668pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 641--641 [][]\EU1/GaramondPremierPro(0)/m/n/10 67. []MIDALI| [43] And no indentation to be seen, actually numbers have all but disappeared and the text appears to be cut. To be honest, I wouldn't worry about the \makeatletter nonsense; it really isn't at the heart of your problem. If you are getting an \hbox that is overfull by over 381pt (5.27), the numbers have all but disappeared, and the text appears to be cut, then John Was's suggestion that an indentation of ten inches might not have been what you intended may well be the cause. Post your source (or put it on a web server and post the URL) and someone will without doubt come to your aid. Philip Taylor -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
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To be honest, I wouldn't worry about the \makeatletter nonsense; it
really
isn't at the heart of your problem. If you are getting an \hbox that
is
overfull
by over 381pt (5.27), the numbers have all but disappeared, and the
text
appears to be cut, then John Was's suggestion that an indentation of
ten
inches might not have been what you intended may well be the cause.
My source is frenchb.ldf!
Please take a look at this piece of code from frenchb.ldf dealing with
footnotes:
\newcommand*{\dotFFN}{.}
\newcommand*{\kernFFN}{\kern .5em}
\newdimen\parindentFFN
\parindentFFN=10in
\def\ftnISsymbol{\@fnsymbol\c@footnote}
\long\def\@makefntextFB#1{\ifx\thefootnote\ftnISsymbol
\@makefntextORI{#1}%
\else
\parindent=\parindentFFN
\rule\z@\footnotesep
\setbox\@tempboxa\hbox{\@thefnmark}%
\ifdim\wd\@tempboxa\z@
\llap{\@thefnmark}\dotFFN\kernFFN
\fi #1
\fi}%
\AtBeginDocument{\@ifpackageloaded{bigfoot}{}%
{\ifdim\parindentFFN10in
\else
\parindentFFN=\parindent
\ifdim\parindentFFN1.5em\parindentFFN=1.5em\fi
\fi
\let\@makefntextORI\@makefntext
\long\def\@makefntext#1{%
\ifFBFrenchFootnotes
\@makefntextFB{#1}%
\else
\@makefntextORI{#1}%
\fi}%
}%
}
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I can't take time to absorb that, but it looks as if it wants to force the
indentation at the start of a footnote to be 1.5em, which ought to be OK
(rather more than I would have, but no matter just now).
Just before the first line of your text (after you've loaded all your
packages and so on), try
\global\parindentFFN=1.5em
and see what happens. Whatever is going on, it looks as if with your
current coding the program is attempting to put a giant amount of space
(surely wider than your actual text width) before the footnote cue, and that
is creating chaos.
If that is no good, I think I'll have to bow out of this thread - sorry!
John
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To: Customizing footnote markers xetex@tug.org
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Subject: [XeTeX] Customizing footnote markers
To be honest, I wouldn't worry about the \makeatletter nonsense; it
really
isn't at the heart of your problem. If you are getting an \hbox that
is
overfull
by over 381pt (5.27), the numbers have all but disappeared, and the
text
appears to be cut, then John Was's suggestion that an indentation of
ten
inches might not have been what you intended may well be the cause.
My source is frenchb.ldf!
Please take a look at this piece of code from frenchb.ldf dealing with
footnotes:
\newcommand*{\dotFFN}{.}
\newcommand*{\kernFFN}{\kern .5em}
\newdimen\parindentFFN
\parindentFFN=10in
\def\ftnISsymbol{\@fnsymbol\c@footnote}
\long\def\@makefntextFB#1{\ifx\thefootnote\ftnISsymbol
\@makefntextORI{#1}%
\else
\parindent=\parindentFFN
\rule\z@\footnotesep
\setbox\@tempboxa\hbox{\@thefnmark}%
\ifdim\wd\@tempboxa\z@
\llap{\@thefnmark}\dotFFN\kernFFN
\fi #1
\fi}%
\AtBeginDocument{\@ifpackageloaded{bigfoot}{}%
{\ifdim\parindentFFN10in
\else
\parindentFFN=\parindent
\ifdim\parindentFFN1.5em\parindentFFN=1.5em\fi
\fi
\let\@makefntextORI\@makefntext
\long\def\@makefntext#1{%
\ifFBFrenchFootnotes
\@makefntextFB{#1}%
\else
\@makefntextORI{#1}%
\fi}%
}%
}
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Alessandro Ceschini wrote: My source is frenchb.ldf! Please take a look at this piece of code from frenchb.ldf dealing with footnotes: OK, two comments. 1) The use of ten inches appears to be as a sentinel, rather than the actual value intended for real use. 2) When I suggested you post your source, I mean by source the document you are trying to typeset, not one or more of the sources you consulted when trying to write your document. Philip Taylor -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
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Will the prologue suffice?
\documentclass[a4paper, 12pt, openany, draft]{book}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\defaultfontfeatures{Mapping=tex-text}
\setmainfont{Garamond Premier Pro}
\usepackage{polyglossia}
\setmainlanguage{french}
\setotherlanguages{dutch, english, german, latin, italian, spanish}
\setotherlanguage[variant=ancient]{greek}
\usepackage{xunicode}
\usepackage{xltxtra}
\usepackage{bookmark}
\setcounter{secnumdepth}{0}
\raggedbottom
\usepackage{soul}
\newfontfamily\greekfont[Script=Greek]{Garamond Premier Pro}
\newcommand{\og}{\guillemotleft}
\newcommand{\fg}{\guillemotright}
\usepackage{enumitem}
\setenumerate{nolistsep}
\setitemize{nolistsep, label=$-$}
\usepackage{footmisc}
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By all means, Alessandro : ZIP all the files and send them direct as an attachment. Philip Taylor Alessandro Ceschini wrote: Sorry Phillip, but I can't find the way to post an attach here. I can't just copy all the .tex file in a mail, it's just too long! But, if you don't mind, I could send it to you via your mail. Obviously, if your enthusiasm has recovered, of course. -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
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Would something like this make you happy? That's what I've been using for years.
Put it in your preamble. And of course, change the parindent size to somheting
you like.
\makeatletter
\renewcommand\@makefntext[1]{%
\vspace{2pt}%
\setlength\parindent{-1.8em}%
\setlength\leftskip{1.8em}%
\makebox[1.8em][l]{\normalfont\small\@thefnmark.}#1}
\makeatother
\makeatletter
\def\@makefnmark{{\addfontfeatures
{VerticalPosition=Superior}{\@thefnmark}}}
\makeatother
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 24/05/2011 17:05, Alessandro Ceschini a écrit : Hello everybody, In Babel, if I set the main language to French, I get French-style footnote markers, that is: 1. Note text (No superscript number and followed by a point). But in Polyglossia this style isn't activated by default. Is there a way to activate it? The package footmisc doesn't seem to offer such an option. No, it doesn't! And it not the only lack of feature of polyglossia with French language. I think that we have to wait for somtimes... Why don't use babel with xelatex, it works without any problem (as far I could test it) with french/frenchb/francais - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3cpQYACgkQdE6C2dhV2JVs+QCfYhDoZXgpy/FgNVc2+3VPLY4s PY0An3BGuFqs4zfF0I1PsCRNM8A3gaAG =wGUv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
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Yes, of course, there are other deficiencies, but these are ones I
managed to sort out:
- French-style quotes:
\newcommand{\og}{\guillemotleft}
\newcommand{\fg}{\guillemotright}
- French-style lists:
\usepackage{enumitem}
\setenumerate{nolistsep}
\setitemize{nolistsep, label=$-$}
- French-style number sign:
n\textsuperscript{o}
I cannot use babel in this case for I need Classical Greek with a
Unicode font in my text, so I'm forced to rely on polyglossia and XeTeX.
So, back to my question:
Can footmisc be of use here?
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Re: [XeTeX] Customizing footnote markers
Am Wed, 25 May 2011 11:22:15 +0200 schrieb Alessandro Ceschini:
Yes, of course, there are other deficiencies, but these are ones I
managed to sort out:
- French-style quotes:
\newcommand{\og}{\guillemotleft}
\newcommand{\fg}{\guillemotright}
- French-style lists:
\usepackage{enumitem}
\setenumerate{nolistsep}
\setitemize{nolistsep, label=$-$}
- French-style number sign:
n\textsuperscript{o}
I cannot use babel in this case for I need Classical Greek with a
Unicode font in my text, so I'm forced to rely on polyglossia and XeTeX.
You could try to mix babel and polyglossia:
\documentclass[a4paper]{article}
\usepackage[french]{babel}
\usepackage{polyglossia}
\setmainlanguage{french}
\setotherlanguage{greek}
\begin{document}
abc\footnote{blub}
\end{document}
So, back to my question:
Can footmisc be of use here?
No. The KOMA-classes have commands to change the footnote format.
With the standard classes you will have to redefine \@makefntext
e.g. (look in frenchb.ldf to find the french settings):
\documentclass[a4paper]{article}
\usepackage{polyglossia,lipsum}
\setmainlanguage{french}
\setotherlanguage{greek}
\makeatletter
\renewcommand\@makefntext[1]{%
\noindent\@thefnmark.~#1}
\makeatother
\begin{document}
abc\footnote{\lipsum[1]}
\end{document}
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Re: [XeTeX] Customizing footnote markers
Am Wed, 25 May 2011 16:08:18 +0200 schrieb Alessandro Ceschini:
You could try to mix babel and polyglossia:
\documentclass[a4paper]{article}
\usepackage[french]{babel}
\usepackage{polyglossia}
\setmainlanguage{french}
\setotherlanguage{greek}
\begin{document}
abc\footnote{blub}
\end{document}
But what if I have other secondary languages, namely: Dutch, English,
Italian, German and Latin ? Should I load them via polyglossia or babel?
As a rule of thumb I would say: every language which uses a
non-western script (greek, russian, arabic etc) should/can only be
used through polyglossia. For the rest try babel if you are missing
(like in french) features.
Btw: When I say try I meant it. I have no idea if the
babel/polyglossia will clash somewhere. Also frenchb of babel is a
rather complicated language style and even sometimes gives problems
with other babel languages.
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I've been trying to get polyglossia and babel to coexist all the
afternoon long: seven languages is simply too much!
\documentclass[a4paper]{article}
\usepackage{polyglossia,lipsum}
\setmainlanguage{french}
\setotherlanguage{greek}
\makeatletter
\renewcommand\@makefntext[1]{%
\noindent\@thefnmark.~#1}
\makeatother
\begin{document}
abc\footnote{\lipsum[1]}
\end{document}
This works fine, except that it completely does away with the original
indentation of footnotes, which I wish to conserve. Actually I'm under
the impression that French footnotes do require even more indentation
than normal ones.
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Am Wed, 25 May 2011 21:03:28 +0200 schrieb Alessandro Ceschini:
\documentclass[a4paper]{article}
\usepackage{polyglossia,lipsum}
\setmainlanguage{french}
\setotherlanguage{greek}
\makeatletter
\renewcommand\@makefntext[1]{%
\noindent\@thefnmark.~#1}
\makeatother
\begin{document}
abc\footnote{\lipsum[1]}
\end{document}
This works fine, except that it completely does away with the original
indentation of footnotes, which I wish to conserve. Actually I'm under
the impression that French footnotes do require even more indentation
than normal ones.
As I wrote: look in frenchb.ldf to find the french settings. The
definition of \@makefntext above is a simple example. Adjust it to
your need.
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Hello everybody, In Babel, if I set the main language to French, I get French-style footnote markers, that is: 1. Note text (No superscript number and followed by a point). But in Polyglossia this style isn't activated by default. Is there a way to activate it? The package footmisc doesn't seem to offer such an option. Thank you for helping me, -- Alessandro Ceschini -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
