Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Dominik Wujastyk]

You may not get an answer from Francois.  Try writing to  Philipp Stephani <
p.stepha...@googlemail.com>,
who is the current maintainer.

Best,
Dominik

On 3 October 2011 09:56, Vafa Khalighi  wrote:

> I wrote an email to François Charette 
> saying that I am happy to maintain both 
> arabxetex and polyglossia.
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
>
>> I'm very pleased to be able to say that Philipp Stephani has added the
>> required \RequirePackage statement to polyglossia.dtx and sent an update to
>> CTAN.  It should come down the pike soon.
>>
>> Thanks Philipp!  He notes, however, that this is just an emergency fix,
>> and that a new maintainer for polyglossia is needed.  Volunteers?
>>
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Zdenek Wagner]

2011/10/3 Vafa Khalighi :
> I wrote an email to François Charette saying that I am happy to maintain
> both arabxetex and polyglossia.
>
That's a good news. I have noticed that your name in the documentation
is written in a wrong way. If I am not mistaken, the initial and final
form of YEH are dotless in Farsi and Urdu and whar is worse, if I read
it well, it is written Khaliqi in the manual.

> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Dominik Wujastyk  wrote:
>>
>> I'm very pleased to be able to say that Philipp Stephani has added the
>> required \RequirePackage statement to polyglossia.dtx and sent an update to
>> CTAN.  It should come down the pike soon.
>>
>> Thanks Philipp!  He notes, however, that this is just an emergency fix,
>> and that a new maintainer for polyglossia is needed.  Volunteers?
>>
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Vafa Khalighi]

I wrote an email to François Charette
saying that I am happy to maintain
both arabxetex and polyglossia.

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Dominik Wujastyk  wrote:

> I'm very pleased to be able to say that Philipp Stephani has added the
> required \RequirePackage statement to polyglossia.dtx and sent an update to
> CTAN.  It should come down the pike soon.
>
> Thanks Philipp!  He notes, however, that this is just an emergency fix, and
> that a new maintainer for polyglossia is needed.  Volunteers?
>
> Dominik
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Dominik Wujastyk]

Zdeněk, your offer to look after polyglossia from January 2012 is extremely
welcome, and the best offer on the table at present.  I'm sure nobody would
mind in the least if you moved the code to subversion.   I certainly
wouldn't.

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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Dominik Wujastyk]

I'm very pleased to be able to say that Philipp Stephani has added the
required \RequirePackage statement to polyglossia.dtx and sent an update to
CTAN.  It should come down the pike soon.

Thanks Philipp!  He notes, however, that this is just an emergency fix, and
that a new maintainer for polyglossia is needed.  Volunteers?

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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Zdenek Wagner]

2011/10/2 Martin Schröder :
> 2011/10/2 Alan Munn :
>> Well I don't think Philipp has commit privileges, and CTAN isn't happy about 
>> random (even highly trusted) people uploading new versions of packages that 
>> are still officially maintained.
>
> Which seems to boil down to the original problem:
> polyglossia seems to need a new maintainer.
>
I wrote it some time ago, so I literally copy the relevant part of
François' letter:


The fundamental problem is that polyglossia is no longer actively
maintained (since over a year now). I have offered the package to
various able people (notably the guys working on the LuaLaTeX stuff)
but at the end nobody took it over. The source code is available at
github and everybody can clone it and make further changes. There is
no reason why a moderately simple LaTeX macro package distributed
under the LPPL should stay static for over a year... Unfortunately I
really have NO time at my disposal, and sadly enough, since I have
left academia I no longer have any use for anything TeX-related :(

I think time is ripe for another message on the XeTeX mailing list to
look for a new maintainer... In the meanwhile if you know someone who
might be interested, please tell me!


Since I do not know git and have no time to learn it, my suggestion
was to move it to subversion. Although I am busy, adding
\RequirePackage would be easy to me and the bug could be quickly
fixed. There are other things that could (should) be fixed. I can deal
with it since January next year when I am not so bus as now.

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>   Martin
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Martin Schröder]

2011/10/2 Alan Munn :
> Well I don't think Philipp has commit privileges, and CTAN isn't happy about 
> random (even highly trusted) people uploading new versions of packages that 
> are still officially maintained.

Which seems to boil down to the original problem:
polyglossia seems to need a new maintainer.

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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

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On Oct 2, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:

> All well and good, but useless if neither Philipp or Francois do anything, 
> and the update never gets to CTAN.  Humph.

Well I don't think Philipp has commit privileges, and CTAN isn't happy about 
random (even highly trusted) people uploading new versions of packages that are 
still officially maintained.

So we're back to the same problem as before, it's true.  However, by posting 
the code to the github repository, we (i) save François some work and (ii) 
notify him directly.  Of course we can't control whether he is too busy to 
upload the fixed version.

Alan

> 
> Dominik
> 
> On 2 October 2011 18:21, Alan Munn  wrote:
> On Oct 2, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
> 
> > there seem to be two git versions of polyglossia, i.e., it's been forked.  
> > Or am I wrong?  Philipp's and Francois'
> 
> Yes and no.  The way github works is that when someone proposes a change, 
> they fork it to their own account and then notify the owner of the code, who 
> is able to incorporate the changes in that fork into the main branch of the 
> code if the change is accepted.
> 
> So Philipp's fork is the result of his having proposed the xkeyval fix.
> 
> Alan
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1 October 2011 23:52, Alan Munn  wrote:
> > On Oct 1, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Alan Munn wrote:
> >
> >> On Oct 1, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> If anyone knows how to work git (I use it so rarely that I always have to 
> >>> start from scratch) then feel free to add this to the git hub.  If anyone 
> >>> wishes to package this for CTAN, please do so.
> >>
> >> I've added the change to the git version.  The question is whether 
> >> Françcois (or the other person with commit permissions has the time to 
> >> merge the change and upload the new version.)
> >
> >
> > Actually, Philipp has already proposed the same change to the git version.
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Dominik Wujastyk]

All well and good, but useless if neither Philipp or Francois do anything,
and the update never gets to CTAN.  Humph.

Dominik

On 2 October 2011 18:21, Alan Munn  wrote:

> On Oct 2, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
>
> > there seem to be two git versions of polyglossia, i.e., it's been forked.
>  Or am I wrong?  Philipp's and Francois'
>
> Yes and no.  The way github works is that when someone proposes a change,
> they fork it to their own account and then notify the owner of the code, who
> is able to incorporate the changes in that fork into the main branch of the
> code if the change is accepted.
>
> So Philipp's fork is the result of his having proposed the xkeyval fix.
>
> Alan
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1 October 2011 23:52, Alan Munn  wrote:
> > On Oct 1, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Alan Munn wrote:
> >
> >> On Oct 1, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> If anyone knows how to work git (I use it so rarely that I always have
> to start from scratch) then feel free to add this to the git hub.  If anyone
> wishes to package this for CTAN, please do so.
> >>
> >> I've added the change to the git version.  The question is whether
> Françcois (or the other person with commit permissions has the time to merge
> the change and upload the new version.)
> >
> >
> > Actually, Philipp has already proposed the same change to the git
> version.
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Alan Munn]

On Oct 2, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:

> there seem to be two git versions of polyglossia, i.e., it's been forked.  Or 
> am I wrong?  Philipp's and Francois'

Yes and no.  The way github works is that when someone proposes a change, they 
fork it to their own account and then notify the owner of the code, who is able 
to incorporate the changes in that fork into the main branch of the code if the 
change is accepted.

So Philipp's fork is the result of his having proposed the xkeyval fix.

Alan

> 
> 
> 
> On 1 October 2011 23:52, Alan Munn  wrote:
> On Oct 1, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Alan Munn wrote:
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> If anyone knows how to work git (I use it so rarely that I always have to 
>>> start from scratch) then feel free to add this to the git hub.  If anyone 
>>> wishes to package this for CTAN, please do so.
>> 
>> I've added the change to the git version.  The question is whether Françcois 
>> (or the other person with commit permissions has the time to merge the 
>> change and upload the new version.)
> 
> 
> Actually, Philipp has already proposed the same change to the git version.
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Dominik Wujastyk]

there seem to be two git versions of polyglossia, i.e., it's been forked.
Or am I wrong?  Philipp's and Francois'



On 1 October 2011 23:52, Alan Munn  wrote:

> On Oct 1, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Alan Munn wrote:
>
> > On Oct 1, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> If anyone knows how to work git (I use it so rarely that I always have
> to start from scratch) then feel free to add this to the git hub.  If anyone
> wishes to package this for CTAN, please do so.
> >
> > I've added the change to the git version.  The question is whether
> Françcois (or the other person with commit permissions has the time to merge
> the change and upload the new version.)
>
>
> Actually, Philipp has already proposed the same change to the git version.
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Alan Munn]

On Oct 1, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Alan Munn wrote:

> On Oct 1, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
> 
>> 
>> If anyone knows how to work git (I use it so rarely that I always have to 
>> start from scratch) then feel free to add this to the git hub.  If anyone 
>> wishes to package this for CTAN, please do so.
> 
> I've added the change to the git version.  The question is whether Françcois 
> (or the other person with commit permissions has the time to merge the change 
> and upload the new version.)


Actually, Philipp has already proposed the same change to the git version.

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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

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On Oct 1, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:

> I know this isn't the Right Procedure, but I've knocked up a polyglossia.dtx 
> with the \RequirePackage{xkeyval} statement in it, and with updated date and 
> version (1.2.0b).  
> 
> Running 
> 
>   xelatex polyglossia.ins 
> 
> generates all the right bits and pieces.  I'm not providing an updated 
> polyglossia.pdf because I don't have all the necessary fonts on my system.
> 
> If anyone knows how to work git (I use it so rarely that I always have to 
> start from scratch) then feel free to add this to the git hub.  If anyone 
> wishes to package this for CTAN, please do so.

I've added the change to the git version.  The question is whether Françcois 
(or the other person with commit permissions has the time to merge the change 
and upload the new version.)

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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[VAFA KHALIGHI]

I do not know where and when but I think François
Charettemade
*Philipp Stephani*, the maintainer of polyglossia. Also see
https://github.com/phst

It also seems that "eg9" also has commit access to polyglossia on github.
see https://github.com/eg9


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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

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2011/10/1 Dominik Wujastyk :
> On 21 September 2011 17:52, Heiko Oberdiek 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> It is a bug in polyglossia that xkeyval has to be loaded manually
>> before polyglossia, because polyglossia has
>> forgotten \RequirePackage{xkeyval}.
>
> Okay, now that everything has been discussed,  is someone actually going to
> add this \RequirePackage{xkeyval} to polyglossia?  If nobody else will do
> it, I shall.
>
> As things stand,
>
> \documentclass{article}
> \usepackage{polyglossia}
> \begin{document}
> Hello world!
> \end{document}
>
> fails to compile cleanly.  That state of affairs can't be left to stand.
>
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Zdenek Wagner]

2011/10/1 Herbert Schulz :
>
> On Oct 1, 2011, at 3:25 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
>
>> On 21 September 2011 17:52, Heiko Oberdiek 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It is a bug in polyglossia that xkeyval has to be loaded manually
>>> before polyglossia, because polyglossia has
>>> forgotten \RequirePackage{xkeyval}.
>>>
>>
>> Okay, now that everything has been discussed,  is someone actually going to
>> add this \RequirePackage{xkeyval} to polyglossia?  If nobody else will do
>> it, I shall.
>>
>> As things stand,
>>
>> \documentclass{article}
>> \usepackage{polyglossia}
>> \begin{document}
>> Hello world!
>> \end{document}
>>
>> fails to compile cleanly.  That state of affairs can't be left to stand.
>>
>> Best,
>> Dominik
>
>
> Howdy,
>
> Best thing to do is to ask François Charette, the listed maintainer, if he 
> will do it or if he's willing to make you, or someone else who is willing to 
> do the job, the maintainer of the package.
>
François wrote me that he is no longer able to maintain it and
searches someone who will continue his work. I do not know git and
have no time to learn it. If someone oves it to subversion (or at
least cvs) and adds me as a developer, I can do it. Adding
\RequirePackage is siple and I can do it quickly (or if somebody else
does it...). There are other possible improvements but I can deal more
with the package probably only since January next year.

> Good Luck,
>
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Herbert Schulz]

On Oct 1, 2011, at 3:25 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:

> On 21 September 2011 17:52, Heiko Oberdiek 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> It is a bug in polyglossia that xkeyval has to be loaded manually
>> before polyglossia, because polyglossia has
>> forgotten \RequirePackage{xkeyval}.
>> 
> 
> Okay, now that everything has been discussed,  is someone actually going to
> add this \RequirePackage{xkeyval} to polyglossia?  If nobody else will do
> it, I shall.
> 
> As things stand,
> 
> \documentclass{article}
> \usepackage{polyglossia}
> \begin{document}
> Hello world!
> \end{document}
> 
> fails to compile cleanly.  That state of affairs can't be left to stand.
> 
> Best,
> Dominik


Howdy,

Best thing to do is to ask François Charette, the listed maintainer, if he will 
do it or if he's willing to make you, or someone else who is willing to do the 
job, the maintainer of the package.

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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Dominik Wujastyk]

On 21 September 2011 17:52, Heiko Oberdiek wrote:


> It is a bug in polyglossia that xkeyval has to be loaded manually
> before polyglossia, because polyglossia has
> forgotten \RequirePackage{xkeyval}.
>

Okay, now that everything has been discussed,  is someone actually going to
add this \RequirePackage{xkeyval} to polyglossia?  If nobody else will do
it, I shall.

As things stand,

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{polyglossia}
\begin{document}
Hello world!
\end{document}

fails to compile cleanly.  That state of affairs can't be left to stand.

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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Arash Zeini]

On Wednesday 21 September 2011, Ulrike Fischer wrote:
> Am Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:23:50 +0100 schrieb Arash Zeini:
> >> fontspec loads xunicode and xunicode has been updated recently. What
> >> happens if you load exaccent before polyglossia?
> > 
> > Nothing. I get the same error messages as before.
> 
> Well loading exaccent before fontspec/xunicode should actually work
> (unless you are loading the definitions again in another place).

Yes, this solves the problem.

> But why do you use exaccent anyway? Why bother with such an old
> package? As the error message tell you xunicode actually makes the
> necessary definitions and quite probably it will adapt the commands
> to xetex if necessary.

You are absolutely right. exaccent was in my master document due to historical 
reasons, but I actually don't need it anymore. Thanks for pointing this out.

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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[VAFA KHALIGHI]

I do not agree but I usually do not load any packages for various reasons.
If I need a particular function of a particular package, I implement it
myself, and even if that is not possible, I take macros from that package
but obviously change the macro names (both internal and public macros)
completely.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Heiko Oberdiek <
heiko.oberd...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:21:46PM +1000, VAFA KHALIGHI wrote:
>
> > > It is a bug in polyglossia that xkeyval has to be loaded manually
> > > before polyglossia, because polyglossia has
> > > forgotten \RequirePackage{xkeyval}.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Not really. fontspec used to load xkeyval and polyglossia loaded fontspec
> so
> > there was no need for polyglossia to load xkeyval again.
>
> No, packages *MUST* add packages for *all* required packages.
> The use of xkeyval for fontspec was an *implementation* detail
> that can change *any* time, like it has now happened.
> AFAIK, the use of xkeyval was never part of the official interface
> for fontspec. This would not make any sense, because fontspec deals
> with fonts and is not a package for providing key value parsers.
>
> Therefore it is a very clear bug of polyglossia, not to load
> xkeyval. A package can be loaded many times using \usepackage
> or \RequirePackage. LaTeX only loads the package at the first
> request. At the later requests it only checks the date and options
> of the request.
>
> It is also good style to add a date, if a package must not be too old:
>  \RequirePackage{foo}[2010/04/20]
> Then LaTeX will complain, if the loaded packages is too old.
>
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[VAFA KHALIGHI]

For me, the attached example gives no error.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Arash Zeini  wrote:

> On Wednesday 21 September 2011, VAFA KHALIGHI wrote:
> > fontspec loads xunicode and xunicode has been updated recently. What
> > happens if you load exaccent before polyglossia?
>
> Nothing. I get the same error messages as before.
>
> Arash
>
>
> > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Arash Zeini 
> wrote:
> > > Thanks for all the posts. Vafa's mail below answers my question about
> > > recent
> > > changes.
> > >
> > > Loading xkeyval before polyglossia takes care of the problem in the
> > > minimal example, but not in my actual document where I also load
> > > exaccent. In this case I receive complaints about \upperaccent and
> other
> > > commands being already
> > > defined.
> > >
> > > Arash
> > >
> > > On Wednesday 21 September 2011, VAFA KHALIGHI wrote:
> > > > I do not know about your other error messages but I guess they all
> > > > should be related to fontspec. A similar questions was asked on the
> > > > TeXLive mailing list and Wagner perhaps thought that your question
> was
> > > > on the TeXLive mailng list; that is why...
> > > >
> > > > fontspec does not load xkeyval anymore (but used to load xkeyval),
> > > > polyglossia uses xkeyval but does not load it since it loads fontspec
> > > > and fontspec used to load xkeyval anymore.
> > > >
> > > > 2011/9/21 Arash Zeini 
> > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday 21 September 2011, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
> > > > > > 2011/9/21 Arash Zeini :
> > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See the previous thread open by Alex Hamann
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your prompt response. I am unable to locate a recent and
> > > > > relevant
> > > > > thread started by Alex Hamann.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vafa's suggestion of loading xkeyval before polyglossia reduces the
> > > > > number of
> > > > > errors drastically but brings up new ones related to exaccent,
> which
> > > > > I load after xkeyval and polyglossia.
> > > > >
> > > > > My apologies if I am missing the obvious. I am wondering what could
> > >
> > > have
> > >
> > > > > changed in the past week or so.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks and best wishes,
> > > > > Arash
> > > > >
> > > > > > > I updated my vanilla TexLive 2011 installation two days ago and
> > >
> > > have
> > >
> > > > > > > since been unable to compile my document correctly. Nothing has
> > > > > > > changed in my document but I now receive 181 error messages,
> most
> > >
> > > of
> > >
> > > > > > > which relate to polyglossia. Here are some examples:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Package polyglossia Warning: \english@font@rm is not defined
> on
> > >
> > > input
> > >
> > > > > > > line 27.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ! Extra \fi.
> > > > > > > \inlineextras@german ...ds \german@shorthands \fi
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > l.183 ...e (`\textgerman{individuelle Lebensdauer}
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
>  ').\footnote{For
> > >
> > > an
> > >
> > > > > > > altern...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My editor opens up this section of polyglossia.sty:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > %% ensure localization of \markright and \markboth commands
> > > > > > > %%% THIS IS NOW DISABLED BY DEFAULT
> > > > > > > \define@boolkey{polyglossia}[xpg@]{localmarks}[false]{%
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   \ifbool{xpg@localmarks}{%
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  \xpg@info{Option:~ localmarks}%
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And this minimal example successfully reproduces the errors:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > \documentclass[a4paper,12pt,oneside]{memoir}
> > > > > > > \usepackage{fontspec}
> > > > > > > \setmainfont[Mapping=tex-text]{Linux Libertine O}
> > > > > > > \usepackage{polyglossia}
> > > > > > > \setdefaultlanguage[variant=british]{english}
> > > > > > > \setotherlanguages{german, french}
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > \begin{document}
> > > > > > > \begin{quote}
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >\textgerman{Die Wahrheit wird, auch hier, in der Mitte
> der
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gegensätze liegen \dots}
> > > > > > > \end{quote}
> > > > > > > \end{document}
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does anyone happen to know what might cause these errors?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > > > Arash
>
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test.tex
Description: TeX document


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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Ulrike Fischer]

Am Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:23:50 +0100 schrieb Arash Zeini:

>> fontspec loads xunicode and xunicode has been updated recently. What
>> happens if you load exaccent before polyglossia?
> 
> Nothing. I get the same error messages as before.

Well loading exaccent before fontspec/xunicode should actually work
(unless you are loading the definitions again in another place). 

But why do you use exaccent anyway? Why bother with such an old
package? As the error message tell you xunicode actually makes the
necessary definitions and quite probably it will adapt the commands
to xetex if necessary.


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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Zdenek Wagner]

2011/9/21 Arash Zeini :
> On Wednesday 21 September 2011, VAFA KHALIGHI wrote:
>> fontspec loads xunicode and xunicode has been updated recently. What
>> happens if you load exaccent before polyglossia?
>
> Nothing. I get the same error messages as before.
>
What packages are loaded before exaccent? Suppose that both packages
foo and bar define macro \something. If you load

\usepackage{foo}
\usepackage{bar}

you will get an error in bar. If you change the order, you will get
the same error, but now in foo. This will inform you that two packages
define the same macro. You have to examine carefully the log file to
see where the error appears. It may be useful to set
\errorcontextlines to a higher value in order to see more details
(default value is zero) I usually put \errorcontextlines=999 just
below \documentclass.

> Arash
>
>
>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Arash Zeini  wrote:
>> > Thanks for all the posts. Vafa's mail below answers my question about
>> > recent
>> > changes.
>> >
>> > Loading xkeyval before polyglossia takes care of the problem in the
>> > minimal example, but not in my actual document where I also load
>> > exaccent. In this case I receive complaints about \upperaccent and other
>> > commands being already
>> > defined.
>> >
>> > Arash
>> >
>> > On Wednesday 21 September 2011, VAFA KHALIGHI wrote:
>> > > I do not know about your other error messages but I guess they all
>> > > should be related to fontspec. A similar questions was asked on the
>> > > TeXLive mailing list and Wagner perhaps thought that your question was
>> > > on the TeXLive mailng list; that is why...
>> > >
>> > > fontspec does not load xkeyval anymore (but used to load xkeyval),
>> > > polyglossia uses xkeyval but does not load it since it loads fontspec
>> > > and fontspec used to load xkeyval anymore.
>> > >
>> > > 2011/9/21 Arash Zeini 
>> > >
>> > > > On Wednesday 21 September 2011, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
>> > > > > 2011/9/21 Arash Zeini :
>> > > > > > Hello,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > See the previous thread open by Alex Hamann
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks for your prompt response. I am unable to locate a recent and
>> > > > relevant
>> > > > thread started by Alex Hamann.
>> > > >
>> > > > Vafa's suggestion of loading xkeyval before polyglossia reduces the
>> > > > number of
>> > > > errors drastically but brings up new ones related to exaccent, which
>> > > > I load after xkeyval and polyglossia.
>> > > >
>> > > > My apologies if I am missing the obvious. I am wondering what could
>> >
>> > have
>> >
>> > > > changed in the past week or so.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks and best wishes,
>> > > > Arash
>> > > >
>> > > > > > I updated my vanilla TexLive 2011 installation two days ago and
>> >
>> > have
>> >
>> > > > > > since been unable to compile my document correctly. Nothing has
>> > > > > > changed in my document but I now receive 181 error messages, most
>> >
>> > of
>> >
>> > > > > > which relate to polyglossia. Here are some examples:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Package polyglossia Warning: \english@font@rm is not defined on
>> >
>> > input
>> >
>> > > > > > line 27.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ! Extra \fi.
>> > > > > > \inlineextras@german ...ds \german@shorthands \fi
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > l.183 ...e (`\textgerman{individuelle Lebensdauer}
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >                                                  ').\footnote{For
>> >
>> > an
>> >
>> > > > > > altern...
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > My editor opens up this section of polyglossia.sty:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > %% ensure localization of \markright and \markboth commands
>> > > > > > %%% THIS IS NOW DISABLED BY DEFAULT
>> > > > > > \define@boolkey{polyglossia}[xpg@]{localmarks}[false]{%
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >   \ifbool{xpg@localmarks}{%
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >      \xpg@info{Option:~ localmarks}%
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ...
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > And this minimal example successfully reproduces the errors:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > \documentclass[a4paper,12pt,oneside]{memoir}
>> > > > > > \usepackage{fontspec}
>> > > > > > \setmainfont[Mapping=tex-text]{Linux Libertine O}
>> > > > > > \usepackage{polyglossia}
>> > > > > > \setdefaultlanguage[variant=british]{english}
>> > > > > > \setotherlanguages{german, french}
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > \begin{document}
>> > > > > > \begin{quote}
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >        \textgerman{Die Wahrheit wird, auch hier, in der Mitte der
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Gegensätze liegen \dots}
>> > > > > > \end{quote}
>> > > > > > \end{document}
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Does anyone happen to know what might cause these errors?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Best wishes,
>> > > > > > Arash
>
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Arash Zeini]

On Wednesday 21 September 2011, VAFA KHALIGHI wrote:
> fontspec loads xunicode and xunicode has been updated recently. What
> happens if you load exaccent before polyglossia?

Nothing. I get the same error messages as before.

Arash


> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Arash Zeini  wrote:
> > Thanks for all the posts. Vafa's mail below answers my question about
> > recent
> > changes.
> > 
> > Loading xkeyval before polyglossia takes care of the problem in the
> > minimal example, but not in my actual document where I also load
> > exaccent. In this case I receive complaints about \upperaccent and other
> > commands being already
> > defined.
> > 
> > Arash
> > 
> > On Wednesday 21 September 2011, VAFA KHALIGHI wrote:
> > > I do not know about your other error messages but I guess they all
> > > should be related to fontspec. A similar questions was asked on the
> > > TeXLive mailing list and Wagner perhaps thought that your question was
> > > on the TeXLive mailng list; that is why...
> > > 
> > > fontspec does not load xkeyval anymore (but used to load xkeyval),
> > > polyglossia uses xkeyval but does not load it since it loads fontspec
> > > and fontspec used to load xkeyval anymore.
> > > 
> > > 2011/9/21 Arash Zeini 
> > > 
> > > > On Wednesday 21 September 2011, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
> > > > > 2011/9/21 Arash Zeini :
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > 
> > > > > See the previous thread open by Alex Hamann
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for your prompt response. I am unable to locate a recent and
> > > > relevant
> > > > thread started by Alex Hamann.
> > > > 
> > > > Vafa's suggestion of loading xkeyval before polyglossia reduces the
> > > > number of
> > > > errors drastically but brings up new ones related to exaccent, which
> > > > I load after xkeyval and polyglossia.
> > > > 
> > > > My apologies if I am missing the obvious. I am wondering what could
> > 
> > have
> > 
> > > > changed in the past week or so.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks and best wishes,
> > > > Arash
> > > > 
> > > > > > I updated my vanilla TexLive 2011 installation two days ago and
> > 
> > have
> > 
> > > > > > since been unable to compile my document correctly. Nothing has
> > > > > > changed in my document but I now receive 181 error messages, most
> > 
> > of
> > 
> > > > > > which relate to polyglossia. Here are some examples:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Package polyglossia Warning: \english@font@rm is not defined on
> > 
> > input
> > 
> > > > > > line 27.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ! Extra \fi.
> > > > > > \inlineextras@german ...ds \german@shorthands \fi
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > l.183 ...e (`\textgerman{individuelle Lebensdauer}
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  ').\footnote{For
> > 
> > an
> > 
> > > > > > altern...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > My editor opens up this section of polyglossia.sty:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > %% ensure localization of \markright and \markboth commands
> > > > > > %%% THIS IS NOW DISABLED BY DEFAULT
> > > > > > \define@boolkey{polyglossia}[xpg@]{localmarks}[false]{%
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   \ifbool{xpg@localmarks}{%
> > > > > >   
> > > > > >  \xpg@info{Option:~ localmarks}%
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > And this minimal example successfully reproduces the errors:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > \documentclass[a4paper,12pt,oneside]{memoir}
> > > > > > \usepackage{fontspec}
> > > > > > \setmainfont[Mapping=tex-text]{Linux Libertine O}
> > > > > > \usepackage{polyglossia}
> > > > > > \setdefaultlanguage[variant=british]{english}
> > > > > > \setotherlanguages{german, french}
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > \begin{document}
> > > > > > \begin{quote}
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >\textgerman{Die Wahrheit wird, auch hier, in der Mitte der
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Gegensätze liegen \dots}
> > > > > > \end{quote}
> > > > > > \end{document}
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Does anyone happen to know what might cause these errors?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > > Arash



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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[VAFA KHALIGHI]

fontspec loads xunicode and xunicode has been updated recently. What happens
if you load exaccent before polyglossia?

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Arash Zeini  wrote:

> Thanks for all the posts. Vafa's mail below answers my question about
> recent
> changes.
>
> Loading xkeyval before polyglossia takes care of the problem in the minimal
> example, but not in my actual document where I also load exaccent. In this
> case I receive complaints about \upperaccent and other commands being
> already
> defined.
>
> Arash
>
> On Wednesday 21 September 2011, VAFA KHALIGHI wrote:
> > I do not know about your other error messages but I guess they all should
> > be related to fontspec. A similar questions was asked on the TeXLive
> > mailing list and Wagner perhaps thought that your question was on the
> > TeXLive mailng list; that is why...
> >
> > fontspec does not load xkeyval anymore (but used to load xkeyval),
> > polyglossia uses xkeyval but does not load it since it loads fontspec and
> > fontspec used to load xkeyval anymore.
> >
> > 2011/9/21 Arash Zeini 
> >
> > > On Wednesday 21 September 2011, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
> > > > 2011/9/21 Arash Zeini :
> > > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > See the previous thread open by Alex Hamann
> > >
> > > Thanks for your prompt response. I am unable to locate a recent and
> > > relevant
> > > thread started by Alex Hamann.
> > >
> > > Vafa's suggestion of loading xkeyval before polyglossia reduces the
> > > number of
> > > errors drastically but brings up new ones related to exaccent, which I
> > > load after xkeyval and polyglossia.
> > >
> > > My apologies if I am missing the obvious. I am wondering what could
> have
> > > changed in the past week or so.
> > >
> > > Thanks and best wishes,
> > > Arash
> > >
> > > > > I updated my vanilla TexLive 2011 installation two days ago and
> have
> > > > > since been unable to compile my document correctly. Nothing has
> > > > > changed in my document but I now receive 181 error messages, most
> of
> > > > > which relate to polyglossia. Here are some examples:
> > > > >
> > > > > Package polyglossia Warning: \english@font@rm is not defined on
> input
> > > > > line 27.
> > > > >
> > > > > ! Extra \fi.
> > > > > \inlineextras@german ...ds \german@shorthands \fi
> > > > >
> > > > > l.183 ...e (`\textgerman{individuelle Lebensdauer}
> > > > >
> > > > >  ').\footnote{For
> an
> > > > >
> > > > > altern...
> > > > >
> > > > > My editor opens up this section of polyglossia.sty:
> > > > >
> > > > > %% ensure localization of \markright and \markboth commands
> > > > > %%% THIS IS NOW DISABLED BY DEFAULT
> > > > > \define@boolkey{polyglossia}[xpg@]{localmarks}[false]{%
> > > > >
> > > > >   \ifbool{xpg@localmarks}{%
> > > > >
> > > > >  \xpg@info{Option:~ localmarks}%
> > > > >
> > > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > And this minimal example successfully reproduces the errors:
> > > > >
> > > > > \documentclass[a4paper,12pt,oneside]{memoir}
> > > > > \usepackage{fontspec}
> > > > > \setmainfont[Mapping=tex-text]{Linux Libertine O}
> > > > > \usepackage{polyglossia}
> > > > > \setdefaultlanguage[variant=british]{english}
> > > > > \setotherlanguages{german, french}
> > > > >
> > > > > \begin{document}
> > > > > \begin{quote}
> > > > >
> > > > >\textgerman{Die Wahrheit wird, auch hier, in der Mitte der
> > > > >
> > > > > Gegensätze liegen \dots}
> > > > > \end{quote}
> > > > > \end{document}
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone happen to know what might cause these errors?
> > > > >
> > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > Arash
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Arash Zeini]

Thanks for all the posts. Vafa's mail below answers my question about recent 
changes.

Loading xkeyval before polyglossia takes care of the problem in the minimal 
example, but not in my actual document where I also load exaccent. In this 
case I receive complaints about \upperaccent and other commands being already 
defined.

Arash

On Wednesday 21 September 2011, VAFA KHALIGHI wrote:
> I do not know about your other error messages but I guess they all should
> be related to fontspec. A similar questions was asked on the TeXLive
> mailing list and Wagner perhaps thought that your question was on the
> TeXLive mailng list; that is why...
> 
> fontspec does not load xkeyval anymore (but used to load xkeyval),
> polyglossia uses xkeyval but does not load it since it loads fontspec and
> fontspec used to load xkeyval anymore.
> 
> 2011/9/21 Arash Zeini 
> 
> > On Wednesday 21 September 2011, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
> > > 2011/9/21 Arash Zeini :
> > > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > See the previous thread open by Alex Hamann
> > 
> > Thanks for your prompt response. I am unable to locate a recent and
> > relevant
> > thread started by Alex Hamann.
> > 
> > Vafa's suggestion of loading xkeyval before polyglossia reduces the
> > number of
> > errors drastically but brings up new ones related to exaccent, which I
> > load after xkeyval and polyglossia.
> > 
> > My apologies if I am missing the obvious. I am wondering what could have
> > changed in the past week or so.
> > 
> > Thanks and best wishes,
> > Arash
> > 
> > > > I updated my vanilla TexLive 2011 installation two days ago and have
> > > > since been unable to compile my document correctly. Nothing has
> > > > changed in my document but I now receive 181 error messages, most of
> > > > which relate to polyglossia. Here are some examples:
> > > > 
> > > > Package polyglossia Warning: \english@font@rm is not defined on input
> > > > line 27.
> > > > 
> > > > ! Extra \fi.
> > > > \inlineextras@german ...ds \german@shorthands \fi
> > > > 
> > > > l.183 ...e (`\textgerman{individuelle Lebensdauer}
> > > > 
> > > >  ').\footnote{For an
> > > > 
> > > > altern...
> > > > 
> > > > My editor opens up this section of polyglossia.sty:
> > > > 
> > > > %% ensure localization of \markright and \markboth commands
> > > > %%% THIS IS NOW DISABLED BY DEFAULT
> > > > \define@boolkey{polyglossia}[xpg@]{localmarks}[false]{%
> > > > 
> > > >   \ifbool{xpg@localmarks}{%
> > > >   
> > > >  \xpg@info{Option:~ localmarks}%
> > > > 
> > > > ...
> > > > 
> > > > And this minimal example successfully reproduces the errors:
> > > > 
> > > > \documentclass[a4paper,12pt,oneside]{memoir}
> > > > \usepackage{fontspec}
> > > > \setmainfont[Mapping=tex-text]{Linux Libertine O}
> > > > \usepackage{polyglossia}
> > > > \setdefaultlanguage[variant=british]{english}
> > > > \setotherlanguages{german, french}
> > > > 
> > > > \begin{document}
> > > > \begin{quote}
> > > > 
> > > >\textgerman{Die Wahrheit wird, auch hier, in der Mitte der
> > > > 
> > > > Gegensätze liegen \dots}
> > > > \end{quote}
> > > > \end{document}
> > > > 
> > > > Does anyone happen to know what might cause these errors?
> > > > 
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > > Arash
> > > > 
> > > > 
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Heiko Oberdiek]

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 03:19:29PM +0200, Zdenek Wagner wrote:

> Agreed. What I meant was if package "anything" contains
> \RequirePackage{something} without any options but user needs
> "something" with some option, then the correct way is
> 
> \usepackage[options]{something}
> \usepackage{anything}
> 
> I am not sure whether the same effect can be achieved by giving the
> option in \documentclass, probably yes but I would have to check it. 

Usually yes.

There is an alternative way, that does not change package
loading order:

\PassOptionsToPackage{options}{something}
\usepackage{anything}

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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Zdenek Wagner]

2011/9/21 Heiko Oberdiek :
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 02:34:41PM +0200, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
>
>> That's right. \RequirePackage and \usepackage maintain internally a
>> list of already loaded packages. There is one potential problem, you
>> are not specified a different list of options. Thus if you use
>> \RequirePackage{something} without any options, it is harmless. If a
>> user needs "something" with some options, he or she must load it
>> explicitely with these options in advance.
>
> The option lists may differ. But the requirement of LaTeX is that
> the option list of the first load request is the superset of
> the options in all load requests.
> ("load request": \RequirePackage, \usepackage, (\PassOptionsToPackage))
>
> \usepackage[foo,bar,xyz]{something}
> \usepackage[bar,foo,xyz]{something}
> \usepackage[bar]{something}
> \usepackage{something}
>
> is ok, but any new option given later
>  \usepackage[foo,bar,xyz]{something}
>  \usepackage[new]{something}% throws an error
>
> If there is an option clash, the user can press "h" to get
> the exented help text of the error and LaTeX shows the options.
> Then the user can resolve it by calling the package earlier with
> the option superset as option list. And the package documentation
> needs to be checked, if options of this package might overwrite
> each other.
>
Agreed. What I meant was if package "anything" contains
\RequirePackage{something} without any options but user needs
"something" with some option, then the correct way is

\usepackage[options]{something}
\usepackage{anything}

I am not sure whether the same effect can be achieved by giving the
option in \documentclass, probably yes but I would have to check it. I
agree that it is a bug if a package relies that a requested package
will be loaded by some automagic mechanism.

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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Heiko Oberdiek]

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:21:46PM +1000, VAFA KHALIGHI wrote:

> > It is a bug in polyglossia that xkeyval has to be loaded manually
> > before polyglossia, because polyglossia has
> > forgotten \RequirePackage{xkeyval}.
> >
> >
> >
> Not really. fontspec used to load xkeyval and polyglossia loaded fontspec so
> there was no need for polyglossia to load xkeyval again.

No, packages *MUST* add packages for *all* required packages.
The use of xkeyval for fontspec was an *implementation* detail
that can change *any* time, like it has now happened.
AFAIK, the use of xkeyval was never part of the official interface
for fontspec. This would not make any sense, because fontspec deals
with fonts and is not a package for providing key value parsers.

Therefore it is a very clear bug of polyglossia, not to load
xkeyval. A package can be loaded many times using \usepackage
or \RequirePackage. LaTeX only loads the package at the first
request. At the later requests it only checks the date and options
of the request.

It is also good style to add a date, if a package must not be too old:
  \RequirePackage{foo}[2010/04/20]
Then LaTeX will complain, if the loaded packages is too old.

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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Heiko Oberdiek]

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 02:34:41PM +0200, Zdenek Wagner wrote:

> That's right. \RequirePackage and \usepackage maintain internally a
> list of already loaded packages. There is one potential problem, you
> are not specified a different list of options. Thus if you use
> \RequirePackage{something} without any options, it is harmless. If a
> user needs "something" with some options, he or she must load it
> explicitely with these options in advance.

The option lists may differ. But the requirement of LaTeX is that
the option list of the first load request is the superset of
the options in all load requests.
("load request": \RequirePackage, \usepackage, (\PassOptionsToPackage))

\usepackage[foo,bar,xyz]{something}
\usepackage[bar,foo,xyz]{something}
\usepackage[bar]{something}
\usepackage{something}

is ok, but any new option given later
  \usepackage[foo,bar,xyz]{something}
  \usepackage[new]{something}% throws an error

If there is an option clash, the user can press "h" to get
the exented help text of the error and LaTeX shows the options.
Then the user can resolve it by calling the package earlier with
the option superset as option list. And the package documentation
needs to be checked, if options of this package might overwrite
each other.

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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Zdenek Wagner]

2011/9/21 Herbert Schulz :
>
> On Sep 21, 2011, at 7:21 AM, VAFA KHALIGHI wrote:
>
>>> It is a bug in polyglossia that xkeyval has to be loaded manually
>>> before polyglossia, because polyglossia has
>>> forgotten \RequirePackage{xkeyval}.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Not really. fontspec used to load xkeyval and polyglossia loaded fontspec so
>> there was no need for polyglossia to load xkeyval again.
>
>
> Howdy,
>
> It should have been there anyway since I believe \RequirePackage won't load 
> xkeyval again if it's already loaded.
>
That's right. \RequirePackage and \usepackage maintain internally a
list of already loaded packages. There is one potential problem, you
are not specified a different list of options. Thus if you use
\RequirePackage{something} without any options, it is harmless. If a
user needs "something" with some options, he or she must load it
explicitely with these options in advance.

> Good Luck,
>
> Herb Schulz
> (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Herbert Schulz]

On Sep 21, 2011, at 7:21 AM, VAFA KHALIGHI wrote:

>> It is a bug in polyglossia that xkeyval has to be loaded manually
>> before polyglossia, because polyglossia has
>> forgotten \RequirePackage{xkeyval}.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> Not really. fontspec used to load xkeyval and polyglossia loaded fontspec so
> there was no need for polyglossia to load xkeyval again.


Howdy,

It should have been there anyway since I believe \RequirePackage won't load 
xkeyval again if it's already loaded.

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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[VAFA KHALIGHI]

> It is a bug in polyglossia that xkeyval has to be loaded manually
> before polyglossia, because polyglossia has
> forgotten \RequirePackage{xkeyval}.
>
>
>
Not really. fontspec used to load xkeyval and polyglossia loaded fontspec so
there was no need for polyglossia to load xkeyval again.


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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Heiko Oberdiek]

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 02:04:51PM +0200, Pander wrote:

> On 2011-09-21 13:58, Arash Zeini wrote:
> > On Wednesday 21 September 2011, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
> >> 2011/9/21 Arash Zeini :
> >>> Hello,
> >>
> >> See the previous thread open by Alex Hamann
> > 
> > Thanks for your prompt response. I am unable to locate a recent and 
> > relevant 
> > thread started by Alex Hamann. 
> > 
> > Vafa's suggestion of loading xkeyval before polyglossia reduces the number 
> > of 
> > errors drastically but brings up new ones related to exaccent, which I load 
> > after xkeyval and polyglossia.
> 
> Perhaps both packages should generate a warning if they detect a
> usepackage order which is dangerous?

You are quoting *three* packages (xkeyval, polyglossia, exaccent),
which of them do you mean with *both*?
It is a bug in polyglossia that xkeyval has to be loaded manually
before polyglossia, because polyglossia has
forgotten \RequirePackage{xkeyval}.

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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[VAFA KHALIGHI]

I do not know about your other error messages but I guess they all should be
related to fontspec. A similar questions was asked on the TeXLive mailing
list and Wagner perhaps thought that your question was on the TeXLive mailng
list; that is why...

fontspec does not load xkeyval anymore (but used to load xkeyval),
polyglossia uses xkeyval but does not load it since it loads fontspec and
fontspec used to load xkeyval anymore.

2011/9/21 Arash Zeini 

> On Wednesday 21 September 2011, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
> > 2011/9/21 Arash Zeini :
> > > Hello,
> >
> > See the previous thread open by Alex Hamann
>
> Thanks for your prompt response. I am unable to locate a recent and
> relevant
> thread started by Alex Hamann.
>
> Vafa's suggestion of loading xkeyval before polyglossia reduces the number
> of
> errors drastically but brings up new ones related to exaccent, which I load
> after xkeyval and polyglossia.
>
> My apologies if I am missing the obvious. I am wondering what could have
> changed in the past week or so.
>
> Thanks and best wishes,
> Arash
>
>
> > > I updated my vanilla TexLive 2011 installation two days ago and have
> > > since been unable to compile my document correctly. Nothing has changed
> > > in my document but I now receive 181 error messages, most of which
> > > relate to polyglossia. Here are some examples:
> > >
> > > Package polyglossia Warning: \english@font@rm is not defined on input
> > > line 27.
> > >
> > > ! Extra \fi.
> > > \inlineextras@german ...ds \german@shorthands \fi
> > >
> > > l.183 ...e (`\textgerman{individuelle Lebensdauer}
> > >  ').\footnote{For an
> > > altern...
> > >
> > > My editor opens up this section of polyglossia.sty:
> > >
> > > %% ensure localization of \markright and \markboth commands
> > > %%% THIS IS NOW DISABLED BY DEFAULT
> > > \define@boolkey{polyglossia}[xpg@]{localmarks}[false]{%
> > >   \ifbool{xpg@localmarks}{%
> > >  \xpg@info{Option:~ localmarks}%
> > > ...
> > >
> > > And this minimal example successfully reproduces the errors:
> > >
> > > \documentclass[a4paper,12pt,oneside]{memoir}
> > > \usepackage{fontspec}
> > > \setmainfont[Mapping=tex-text]{Linux Libertine O}
> > > \usepackage{polyglossia}
> > > \setdefaultlanguage[variant=british]{english}
> > > \setotherlanguages{german, french}
> > >
> > > \begin{document}
> > > \begin{quote}
> > >\textgerman{Die Wahrheit wird, auch hier, in der Mitte der
> > > Gegensätze liegen \dots}
> > > \end{quote}
> > > \end{document}
> > >
> > > Does anyone happen to know what might cause these errors?
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Arash
> > >
> > >
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Pander]

On 2011-09-21 13:58, Arash Zeini wrote:
> On Wednesday 21 September 2011, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
>> 2011/9/21 Arash Zeini :
>>> Hello,
>>
>> See the previous thread open by Alex Hamann
> 
> Thanks for your prompt response. I am unable to locate a recent and relevant 
> thread started by Alex Hamann. 
> 
> Vafa's suggestion of loading xkeyval before polyglossia reduces the number of 
> errors drastically but brings up new ones related to exaccent, which I load 
> after xkeyval and polyglossia.

Perhaps both packages should generate a warning if they detect a
usepackage order which is dangerous?

> My apologies if I am missing the obvious. I am wondering what could have 
> changed in the past week or so.
> 
> Thanks and best wishes,
> Arash
> 
> 
>>> I updated my vanilla TexLive 2011 installation two days ago and have
>>> since been unable to compile my document correctly. Nothing has changed
>>> in my document but I now receive 181 error messages, most of which
>>> relate to polyglossia. Here are some examples:
>>>
>>> Package polyglossia Warning: \english@font@rm is not defined on input
>>> line 27.
>>>
>>> ! Extra \fi.
>>> \inlineextras@german ...ds \german@shorthands \fi
>>>
>>> l.183 ...e (`\textgerman{individuelle Lebensdauer}
>>>  ').\footnote{For an
>>> altern...
>>>
>>> My editor opens up this section of polyglossia.sty:
>>>
>>> %% ensure localization of \markright and \markboth commands
>>> %%% THIS IS NOW DISABLED BY DEFAULT
>>> \define@boolkey{polyglossia}[xpg@]{localmarks}[false]{%
>>>   \ifbool{xpg@localmarks}{%
>>>  \xpg@info{Option:~ localmarks}%
>>> ...
>>>
>>> And this minimal example successfully reproduces the errors:
>>>
>>> \documentclass[a4paper,12pt,oneside]{memoir}
>>> \usepackage{fontspec}
>>> \setmainfont[Mapping=tex-text]{Linux Libertine O}
>>> \usepackage{polyglossia}
>>> \setdefaultlanguage[variant=british]{english}
>>> \setotherlanguages{german, french}
>>>
>>> \begin{document}
>>> \begin{quote}
>>>\textgerman{Die Wahrheit wird, auch hier, in der Mitte der
>>> Gegensätze liegen \dots}
>>> \end{quote}
>>> \end{document}
>>>
>>> Does anyone happen to know what might cause these errors?
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Arash
>>>
>>>
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Arash Zeini]

On Wednesday 21 September 2011, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
> 2011/9/21 Arash Zeini :
> > Hello,
> 
> See the previous thread open by Alex Hamann

Thanks for your prompt response. I am unable to locate a recent and relevant 
thread started by Alex Hamann. 

Vafa's suggestion of loading xkeyval before polyglossia reduces the number of 
errors drastically but brings up new ones related to exaccent, which I load 
after xkeyval and polyglossia.

My apologies if I am missing the obvious. I am wondering what could have 
changed in the past week or so.

Thanks and best wishes,
Arash


> > I updated my vanilla TexLive 2011 installation two days ago and have
> > since been unable to compile my document correctly. Nothing has changed
> > in my document but I now receive 181 error messages, most of which
> > relate to polyglossia. Here are some examples:
> > 
> > Package polyglossia Warning: \english@font@rm is not defined on input
> > line 27.
> > 
> > ! Extra \fi.
> > \inlineextras@german ...ds \german@shorthands \fi
> > 
> > l.183 ...e (`\textgerman{individuelle Lebensdauer}
> >  ').\footnote{For an
> > altern...
> > 
> > My editor opens up this section of polyglossia.sty:
> > 
> > %% ensure localization of \markright and \markboth commands
> > %%% THIS IS NOW DISABLED BY DEFAULT
> > \define@boolkey{polyglossia}[xpg@]{localmarks}[false]{%
> >   \ifbool{xpg@localmarks}{%
> >  \xpg@info{Option:~ localmarks}%
> > ...
> > 
> > And this minimal example successfully reproduces the errors:
> > 
> > \documentclass[a4paper,12pt,oneside]{memoir}
> > \usepackage{fontspec}
> > \setmainfont[Mapping=tex-text]{Linux Libertine O}
> > \usepackage{polyglossia}
> > \setdefaultlanguage[variant=british]{english}
> > \setotherlanguages{german, french}
> > 
> > \begin{document}
> > \begin{quote}
> >\textgerman{Die Wahrheit wird, auch hier, in der Mitte der
> > Gegensätze liegen \dots}
> > \end{quote}
> > \end{document}
> > 
> > Does anyone happen to know what might cause these errors?
> > 
> > Best wishes,
> > Arash
> > 
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[Zdenek Wagner]

2011/9/21 Arash Zeini :
> Hello,
>
See the previous thread open by Alex Hamann

> I updated my vanilla TexLive 2011 installation two days ago and have since
> been unable to compile my document correctly. Nothing has changed in my
> document but I now receive 181 error messages, most of which relate to
> polyglossia. Here are some examples:
>
> Package polyglossia Warning: \english@font@rm is not defined on input line 27.
>
> ! Extra \fi.
> \inlineextras@german ...ds \german@shorthands \fi
>
> l.183 ...e (`\textgerman{individuelle Lebensdauer}
>                                                  ').\footnote{For an
> altern...
>
> My editor opens up this section of polyglossia.sty:
>
> %% ensure localization of \markright and \markboth commands
> %%% THIS IS NOW DISABLED BY DEFAULT
> \define@boolkey{polyglossia}[xpg@]{localmarks}[false]{%
>   \ifbool{xpg@localmarks}{%
>      \xpg@info{Option:~ localmarks}%
> ...
>
> And this minimal example successfully reproduces the errors:
>
> \documentclass[a4paper,12pt,oneside]{memoir}
> \usepackage{fontspec}
> \setmainfont[Mapping=tex-text]{Linux Libertine O}
> \usepackage{polyglossia}
> \setdefaultlanguage[variant=british]{english}
> \setotherlanguages{german, french}
>
> \begin{document}
> \begin{quote}
>        \textgerman{Die Wahrheit wird, auch hier, in der Mitte der Gegensätze
> liegen \dots}
> \end{quote}
> \end{document}
>
> Does anyone happen to know what might cause these errors?
>
> Best wishes,
> Arash
>
>
>
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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia "broken"?

[VAFA KHALIGHI]

load xkeyval before polyglossia.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Arash Zeini  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I updated my vanilla TexLive 2011 installation two days ago and have since
> been unable to compile my document correctly. Nothing has changed in my
> document but I now receive 181 error messages, most of which relate to
> polyglossia. Here are some examples:
>
> Package polyglossia Warning: \english@font@rm is not defined on input line
> 27.
>
> ! Extra \fi.
> \inlineextras@german ...ds \german@shorthands \fi
>
> l.183 ...e (`\textgerman{individuelle Lebensdauer}
>  ').\footnote{For an
> altern...
>
> My editor opens up this section of polyglossia.sty:
>
> %% ensure localization of \markright and \markboth commands
> %%% THIS IS NOW DISABLED BY DEFAULT
> \define@boolkey{polyglossia}[xpg@]{localmarks}[false]{%
>   \ifbool{xpg@localmarks}{%
>  \xpg@info{Option:~ localmarks}%
> ...
>
> And this minimal example successfully reproduces the errors:
>
> \documentclass[a4paper,12pt,oneside]{memoir}
> \usepackage{fontspec}
> \setmainfont[Mapping=tex-text]{Linux Libertine O}
> \usepackage{polyglossia}
> \setdefaultlanguage[variant=british]{english}
> \setotherlanguages{german, french}
>
> \begin{document}
> \begin{quote}
>\textgerman{Die Wahrheit wird, auch hier, in der Mitte der
> Gegensätze
> liegen \dots}
> \end{quote}
> \end{document}
>
> Does anyone happen to know what might cause these errors?
>
> Best wishes,
> Arash
>
>
>
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