Re: [forum] Choosing an extension for bitmap-only SFNTs
On 10 Jul 2003, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: I need to pick an extension for the bitmap-only SFNT fonts[1]. While these fonts use the same file format as TrueType and OpenType fonts, they do not fullfill the requirements of any of the four (!) TrueType specifications. Apple calls them ``sfnt-wrapped bitmap fonts'', pfaedit calls them ``bitmap-only TTF fonts'', and Microsoft do not call them at all. These fonts are refused by Windows XP. Because users expect files with a ttf or otf extension to contain scalable fonts, they need to have a different extension. Such fonts are used by Apple (who do not use file extensions), but not by Microsoft (who do); hence, I believe I need to pick a new one. I suggest they should have the extension ``.sfnt'', with ``.sfn'' being recognised for compatibility with 8+3 systems. I see that Julian also knows about .snf fonts (I think that suggestion that anyone still using them should move *into* the 1980s is a little unfair - they need to move *out of* the 1980s). Still .sfn is too close to .snf; I vote for .sfnt. Andrew C Aitchison ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: GetImage with 8 bit pseudocolor on a 24/32 bit display
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 16:51:59 -0400 From: Matthew Tippett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: GetImage with 8 bit pseudocolor on a 24/32 bit display Hello, Trying to work through some problems that I am seeing with X. I have got a TrueColor Display running with 24 bit color (depth 32 bit). Among the visuals available is an 8 bit pseudocolor. A customer has a requirement to use a legacy application that requires the pseudocolor visual. When I run good old 'xv' with the 8 bit pseudocolor, GetImage does some interesting things. The net result is a SEGV in the server. I am using 'xmag' to grab the I'm not having this problem with a Matrox G550 in overlay mode. Can I see your xdpyinfo ? -- Dr. Andrew C. Aitchison Computer Officer, DPMMS, Cambridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~werdna ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [forum] Choosing an extension for bitmap-only SFNTs
I prefer .sfnt as well. we shouldn't feel limited by DOS. Just my 2 cents... Alex --- Andrew C Aitchison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Jul 2003, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: I need to pick an extension for the bitmap-only SFNT fonts[1]. While these fonts use the same file format as TrueType and OpenType fonts, they do not fullfill the requirements of any of the four (!) TrueType specifications. Apple calls them ``sfnt-wrapped bitmap fonts'', pfaedit calls them ``bitmap-only TTF fonts'', and Microsoft do not call them at all. These fonts are refused by Windows XP. Because users expect files with a ttf or otf extension to contain scalable fonts, they need to have a different extension. Such fonts are used by Apple (who do not use file extensions), but not by Microsoft (who do); hence, I believe I need to pick a new one. I suggest they should have the extension ``.sfnt'', with ``.sfn'' being recognised for compatibility with 8+3 systems. I see that Julian also knows about .snf fonts (I think that suggestion that anyone still using them should move *into* the 1980s is a little unfair - they need to move *out of* the 1980s). Still .sfn is too close to .snf; I vote for .sfnt. Andrew C Aitchison ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [forum] Choosing an extension for bitmap-only SFNTs
Plus most users will be on some un*x anyway. Also users generally don't have a problem with .html vs .htm and .jpeg vs .jpg, at least in my experience. Alex --- Peter \Firefly\ Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Alex Deucher wrote: I prefer .sfnt as well. we shouldn't feel limited by DOS. Especially since it was fixed in DOS in '95 (Win 95) (*). There are also TSRs and drivers that will provide the long file names for just about any DOS, using the standard file format and the standard extended APIs. As far as I know DJGPP will use that API if the underlying DOS supports it. So why perform a voluntary lobotomy with regards to the file names? -Peter *) It's been 6+ years since I played with this in my DOS programs so my memory is hazy about whether or not MS-DOS 7.0 /without/ the graphical DOS extender (Win95) also provided those APIs. I read something yesterday that indicated that it didn't. But most people would use DOS from their Windows shells and the rest could use the aforementioned TSRs and drivers. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Choosing an extension for bitmap-only SFNTs
Around 1 o'clock on Jul 10, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: I suggest they should have the extension ``.sfnt'', with ``.sfn'' being recognised for compatibility with 8+3 systems. While using four letter extensions would be nice, I'm afraid there remain file system formats which provide for only three letters that are commonly used in systems which run X. Floppies, flash cards and other devices continue to use FAT file systems, and while there are kludges around to provide long file names, those aren't always well supported nor compatible. So, if we accept only a four letter extension we will have issues distributing fonts on floppies, flash cards and USB keychain drives. Juliusz suggests accepting either .sfnt or .sfn to work around this problem. That's how the world deals with the .html extension -- software all knows that .html and .htm are equivalent. I'd rather avoid this complexity in every new piece of software that deals with fonts (not that fontconfig or FreeType really care, but other pieces of software do). Instead, I think we can probably come up with a single three letter extension to use; perhaps something like: .ttb- true type 'bitmap' font .otb- open type 'bitmap' font .tts- true type 'sfnt' font .ots- open type 'sfnt' font .otb appears to be used for Nokia Phone Graphics files of some kind and .ots appears used by the OtsJuke application for sound files, but neither .ttb nor .tts appear used at the current time. This is certainly not intended to be an exhaustive list of possibilities, but I would like to limit discussion to viable three letter extensions. I agree with Andrew C Aitchison that the .sfn extension is probably a bad idea, both because it may be easily confused with .snf and also because SPX Fonts already use the .sfn extension. -keith ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
PLE133 driver source
I just saw this on VIA's website. It looks like they just took Alan's code and added some tv features (or perhaps just re-released his code?). I don't know if there are already in CVS or not, but for what it's worth here's the link: http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=296 http://downloads.viaarena.com/LinuxApplicationNotes/RedHat/VIA_RH8.0_KPLE_v12a_03192003.zip __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Choosing an extension for bitmap-only SFNTs
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 01:22:49AM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: I need to pick an extension for the bitmap-only SFNT fonts[1]. While these fonts use the same file format as TrueType and OpenType fonts, they do not fullfill the requirements of any of the four (!) TrueType specifications. Apple calls them ``sfnt-wrapped bitmap fonts'', pfaedit calls them ``bitmap-only TTF fonts'', and Microsoft do not call them at all. These fonts are refused by Windows XP. Because users expect files with a ttf or otf extension to contain scalable fonts, they need to have a different extension. Such fonts are used by Apple (who do not use file extensions), but not by Microsoft (who do); hence, I believe I need to pick a new one. I suggest they should have the extension ``.sfnt'', with ``.sfn'' being recognised for compatibility with 8+3 systems. Opinions collected so far: - David Dawes doesn't have an opinion either way, but he'd like me to consult with this list first. With the proviso that there has been some research to determine that nobody else is already using an extension for fonts like this, and that the extension we choose isn't being used elsewhere to mean something else. David -- David Dawes Founder/committer/developer The XFree86 Project www.XFree86.org/~dawes ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Bugzilla and XFree86 version
A number of bug reports have gotten filed against XFree86 4.3 which are actually CVS head bugs. I think it makes sense to add CVS as a version also, so people can choose that too. Might want to add CVS 4.3.99.n versions too, but that might be overkill. I can report this in bugzilla against bugzilla so it is tracked, but I wanted to ask about it here first. -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [Dri-devel] PLE133 driver source
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 08:40:27AM -0700, Alex Deucher wrote: I just saw this on VIA's website. It looks like they just took Alan's code and added some tv features (or perhaps just re-released his code?). I don't know if there are already in CVS or not, but for what it's worth here's the link: http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=296 http://downloads.viaarena.com/LinuxApplicationNotes/RedHat/VIA_RH8.0_KPLE_v12a_03192003.zip In fact, they've updated some code slightly, so I'll add this in. Thanks for the heads up Alex. Alan. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
[Fonts] Re: [forum] Choosing an extension for bitmap-only SFNTs
On 10 Jul 2003, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: I need to pick an extension for the bitmap-only SFNT fonts[1]. While these fonts use the same file format as TrueType and OpenType fonts, they do not fullfill the requirements of any of the four (!) TrueType specifications. Apple calls them ``sfnt-wrapped bitmap fonts'', pfaedit calls them ``bitmap-only TTF fonts'', and Microsoft do not call them at all. These fonts are refused by Windows XP. Because users expect files with a ttf or otf extension to contain scalable fonts, they need to have a different extension. Such fonts are used by Apple (who do not use file extensions), but not by Microsoft (who do); hence, I believe I need to pick a new one. I suggest they should have the extension ``.sfnt'', with ``.sfn'' being recognised for compatibility with 8+3 systems. I see that Julian also knows about .snf fonts (I think that suggestion that anyone still using them should move *into* the 1980s is a little unfair - they need to move *out of* the 1980s). Still .sfn is too close to .snf; I vote for .sfnt. Andrew C Aitchison ___ Fonts mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/fonts
[Fonts] Re: Choosing an extension for bitmap-only SFNTs
Around 1 o'clock on Jul 10, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: I suggest they should have the extension ``.sfnt'', with ``.sfn'' being recognised for compatibility with 8+3 systems. While using four letter extensions would be nice, I'm afraid there remain file system formats which provide for only three letters that are commonly used in systems which run X. Floppies, flash cards and other devices continue to use FAT file systems, and while there are kludges around to provide long file names, those aren't always well supported nor compatible. So, if we accept only a four letter extension we will have issues distributing fonts on floppies, flash cards and USB keychain drives. Juliusz suggests accepting either .sfnt or .sfn to work around this problem. That's how the world deals with the .html extension -- software all knows that .html and .htm are equivalent. I'd rather avoid this complexity in every new piece of software that deals with fonts (not that fontconfig or FreeType really care, but other pieces of software do). Instead, I think we can probably come up with a single three letter extension to use; perhaps something like: .ttb- true type 'bitmap' font .otb- open type 'bitmap' font .tts- true type 'sfnt' font .ots- open type 'sfnt' font .otb appears to be used for Nokia Phone Graphics files of some kind and .ots appears used by the OtsJuke application for sound files, but neither .ttb nor .tts appear used at the current time. This is certainly not intended to be an exhaustive list of possibilities, but I would like to limit discussion to viable three letter extensions. I agree with Andrew C Aitchison that the .sfn extension is probably a bad idea, both because it may be easily confused with .snf and also because SPX Fonts already use the .sfn extension. -keith ___ Fonts mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/fonts
[Fonts] Re: Choosing an extension for bitmap-only SFNTs
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 01:22:49AM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: I need to pick an extension for the bitmap-only SFNT fonts[1]. While these fonts use the same file format as TrueType and OpenType fonts, they do not fullfill the requirements of any of the four (!) TrueType specifications. Apple calls them ``sfnt-wrapped bitmap fonts'', pfaedit calls them ``bitmap-only TTF fonts'', and Microsoft do not call them at all. These fonts are refused by Windows XP. Because users expect files with a ttf or otf extension to contain scalable fonts, they need to have a different extension. Such fonts are used by Apple (who do not use file extensions), but not by Microsoft (who do); hence, I believe I need to pick a new one. I suggest they should have the extension ``.sfnt'', with ``.sfn'' being recognised for compatibility with 8+3 systems. Opinions collected so far: - David Dawes doesn't have an opinion either way, but he'd like me to consult with this list first. With the proviso that there has been some research to determine that nobody else is already using an extension for fonts like this, and that the extension we choose isn't being used elsewhere to mean something else. David -- David Dawes Founder/committer/developer The XFree86 Project www.XFree86.org/~dawes ___ Fonts mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/fonts
Re: [Fonts] Re: two different gb18030.2000-1 : Sun/Mozilla/Java vsRH
On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Jungshik Shin wrote: Hat 7.3, at that time we have to use Mozilla with X core font. Since then the patch has been there almost unchanged. GB18030.2000* aliases were added purely because we want Mozilla working (you made gb18030.2000-0 an alias to gbk-0, but you also made a new identity mapping for gb18030.2000-1. They're different/separate issues that cannot be aggregated with '*'.) As I wrote, Mozilla's GB18030Font1 is NOT your gb18030.2000-1.enc BUT Sun's gb18030.2000-1 (and what's proposed by James Su and Roland Mainz). There's NO dispute about gb18030.2000-0. The question is about gb18030.2000-1 (not '0'). With this difference, how could you make Mozilla (non-Xft build) work with your gb18030.2000-1? Probably, it gave you an impression that it worked either because you also had iso10646-1 fonts or because you haven't checked BMP characters _outside_ the repertoire of gb18030.2000-0 with Mozilla. About the identical mapping in RedHat's GB18030.2000-1, it is because the inside compound encoding part is treating them as ISO10646 codes. This is a bit confusing. How am I supposed to interpret this together with the first sentennce in your reply? Do you need RH8's version of gb18030.2000-1.enc or not? This question of mine is about Compound text encoding. You began your reply with the following. Because RedHat XFree86 18030 patch's compound text encoding part was based on James Su's patch which was derived from UTF-8' code, it doesn't really need GB18030.2000-0.enc and GB18030.200-1.enc to be functioning. and then ended it with 'About the identical mapping the inside compound ... is treating them as ..'. To me it appears to contradict each other. How would you propose the conflict between RH's gb18030.2000-1.enc and Solaris/Mozilla/Java's gb18030.2000-1 be solved? Could you add your comment to http://bugs.xfree86.org//cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=441 ? What GB18030 compound encoding code has XFree86 decided to use? right now, there is even no GB18030 X locale definition in CVS, there is no conflict, just totally depends on how to approach the compound text encoding part. Let me make it clear. The conflict is not inside XFree86 but between RH8's gb18030.2000-1 on the one hand and Sun's and Mozilla's gb18030.2000-1 (and what James Su and Romland Mainz proposed) on the other hand. It's regrettable that your patch hasn't been discussed in open forums like fonts/i18n list of XFree86 IIRC (my memory sometimes doesn't serve me well so that I may have missed it). Do you care which of two gb18030.2000-1's is included in XFree86, do you? If you don't care, you're willing to replace RH's gb18030.2000-1.enc with that based on Sun's/Mozilla's/Java's (as suggested by James Su in http://www.mail-archive.com/fonts%40xfree86.org/msg01343.html or by Roland in http://bugs.xfree86.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=441) Independent of compound text encoding, it's bad that gb18030.2000-1 has two different meanings. That's what I want to resolve here. If you agree to go with Sun's version, we won't have to worry about having to figure out which is which (although x11 core fonts become less and less important...) You sound like you've investigated this deep enough to be knowledgeable of the problems involved. I'm definitely willing to change our XFree86 packages in both future OS releases and in any future erratum to be compliant with whatever is decided to be the proper solution by the X i18n community. Just let me know what is required to fix the problem/incompatibility. TIA -- Mike A. Harris ___ Fonts mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/fonts
[I18n] xrus doesn't write cyrillic
Hello, Nowadays I'm totally blocked after two weeks dealing with my keyboard, and after browsing google.com looking for one solution to my problem. I have XFree86 4.0.2 on an LinuxFromScratch-based distro (kernel 2.4.18)... this machine have attached a customized keyboard (own-made antivandalic one). I have to setup that keyboard to write both in cyrillic and latin charsets. I have followed the steps at URL (http://www.math.nyu.edu/phd_students/krasnov/cyrillic_notes.html) and the only thing I have customized is the *.xmm file that is passed to ~/xrus/bin/xrus to fit into my own keyboard. When I launch my FVWM2 window manager, I start an xterm with the params described, and launch the xrus app, it prints the following lines: ~$ ~/xrus/bin/xrus $HOME/xrus/share/xruskb/my-kbd.xmm Warning: X locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C Warning: X locale modifiers not supported, using default The xterm doesn't print the cyrillic chars that I type at the keyboard, so I tried with the tips that could collect at the WWW, just check for the locale.alias and locale.dir to be OK, and export the LANG and MM_CHARSETS environment variables to ru_RU.KOI8-R but it doesn't work... Sure I'am doing something wrong, but I have no idea, whether it has something to do with the way I built and configured XFree86 or anything else... Thans in advance and best regards, Miguel Ángel ___ I18n mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/i18n
[XFree86] X server crashes
Sir/Madam, I was using Redhat linux 7.1 and the X server was running smoothly. Recently I have upgraded it to RedHat 7.3, now X server is not running. I am using S3 incorporate Trio video chipset with 4 MB vram. Xconfigurator is also not running , showing segmentation fault. I am sending my XF86Config and XFree86.0.log file as attachment.. Please help me. Regards, Partha Dhara VARIABLE ENERGY CYCLOTRON CENTRE 1/AF, BIDHAN NAGAR, KOLKATA 700064 INDIA PHONE:(091)(033)2337-1230 EXTN:3156 XF86Config Description: Binary data XFree86.0.log Description: Binary data
[XFree86] Problem on Linux regarding startx
Dear Sir/Madam, I have a peculiar problem while using startx. My computer's microprocessor is Pentium 4. The Linux installed on it is Red hat version 8. Now the problem is as follows: When I type startx at the command prompt, I get an error : fatal server error caught signal 8 server aborting. Then the command prompt is displayed again. I request you to aid me in solving the problem. How to make startx work properly. The second point is : When I type startx -- -dip 100 startx works fine. This I had dione on the advice of a friend. I do not know the underlying reason for this. I would like to know 1)why startx does not work when I type startx at the command prompt. How to make it work (the solution) Also why did startx work when I typed startx -- -dip 100. I would be grateful if you will reply soon. Thanking You, Mahesh. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
RE: [XFree86] X problem
Dear Egbert, Thank you for your reply. I did just as you said, and now I am able to run X. However, there are still some problems. In the desktop icons I cannot see the filenames. Also in the file manager, all filenames are empty. I thought it was something to do with the fonts, so I also installed all the font-related tarballs for XFree, but I still can't see the filenames. Is this a XFree problem? I also can't login using NIS user accounts, but I guess you cannot help me with that. Thank you again for your big big help. Hope you can help me with the font problem too. Best Regards John Tai -Original Message- From: Egbert Eich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: John_Tai Subject: Re: [XFree86] X problem As you can see from the bottom of your log SiS 315 and 650 chips are not supported by XFree86 4.1.0. Please get the latest version. Egbert. ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] X-server configuration - regd.
I havethe following: Samsung Samtron 40Bn monitor S3 Tro V2/DX card 86C775 RAMDAC Chip 1MB video RAM I have installed REDHAT 7.1 when I run Xconfigurator, it hangs. When I try configuring using XFree86, I get an error stating that configuring is impossible using the current version of XFree86 as the card is not supported. Can someone guide me? Thanks and regards Ravindran
[XFree86] XFree86.0.log
Sir, I m using linux7.1 on sis650 chipset. I m not able to configure my graphics. Plz help me to run Xwindows system on my linux7.1 with sis650_740 graphics card. I m sending the XFree86.0.log. Waiting for ur helpful reply. Thanx and regards... Sanju Kumar *** XFree86 Version 4.0.3 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6400) Release Date: 16 March 2001 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux 2.2.17-8smp i686 [ELF] Module Loader present (==) Log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log, Time: Wed Oct 9 13:21:50 2002 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (??) unknown. (==) ServerLayout XFree86 Configured (**) |--Screen Screen0 (0) (**) | |--Monitor SyncMaster (**) | |--Device My Video Card (**) |--Input Device Mouse0 (**) |--Input Device Keyboard0 (**) Option XkbLayout us (**) XKB: layout: us (**) FontPath set to unix/:7100 (==) RgbPath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb (==) ModulePath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules (--) using VT number 7 (II) Open APM successful (II) Module ABI versions: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.1 XFree86 Video Driver: 0.3 XFree86 XInput driver : 0.1 XFree86 Server Extension : 0.1 XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.2 (II) Loader running on linux (II) LoadModule: bitmap (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Module bitmap: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.3, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.2 (II) Loading font Bitmap (II) LoadModule: pcidata (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.3, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.3 (II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1 (II) PCI: Config type is 1 (II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x, mode1Res1 = 0x8000 (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 1039,0650 card 1019,0a44 rev 01 class 06,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 1039,0001 card , rev 00 class 06,04,00 hdr 01 (II) PCI: 00:02:0: chip 1039,0008 card , rev 00 class 06,01,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:02:2: chip 1039,7001 card 1019,0a44 rev 07 class 0c,03,10 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:02:3: chip 1039,7001 card 1019,0a44 rev 07 class 0c,03,10 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:02:5: chip 1039,5513 card 1019,0a44 rev d0 class 01,01,80 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:02:7: chip 1039,7012 card 1019,0a44 rev a0 class 04,01,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:0d:0: chip 10ec,8139 card 10ec,8139 rev 10 class 02,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 01:00:0: chip 1039,6325 card 1019,0a44 rev 00 class 03,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: End of PCI scan (II) LoadModule: scanpci (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (II) Module scanpci: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.3, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.3 (II) UnloadModule: scanpci (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (II) Host-to-PCI bridge: (II) PCI-to-ISA bridge: (II) PCI-to-PCI bridge: (II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (-1,0,0), BCTRL: 0x00 (VGA_EN is cleared) (II) Bus 0 I/O range: [0] -1 0x - 0x (0x1) IX[B] (II) Bus 0 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0x - 0x (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0x - 0x (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus 1: bridge is at (0:1:0), (0,1,1), BCTRL: 0x0e (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 1 I/O range: [0] -1 0xc000 - 0xc0ff (0x100) IX[B] [1] -1 0xc400 - 0xc4ff (0x100) IX[B] [2] -1 0xc800 - 0xc8ff (0x100) IX[B] [3] -1 0xcc00 - 0xccff (0x100) IX[B] (II) Bus 1 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0xed00 - 0xed0f (0x10) MX[B] (II) Bus 1 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0xe000 - 0xe7ff (0x800) MX[B] (II) Bus -1: bridge is at (0:2:0), (0,-1,0), BCTRL: 0x00 (VGA_EN is cleared) (II) Bus -1 I/O range: (II) Bus -1 non-prefetchable memory range: (II) Bus -1 prefetchable memory range: (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) SiS unknown chipset (0x6325) rev 0, Mem @ 0xe000/27, 0xed00/17, I/O @ 0xc000/7 (II) Addressable bus resource ranges are [0] -1 0x - 0x (0x0) MX[B] [1] -1 0x - 0x (0x1) IX[B] (II) OS-reported resource ranges: [0] -1 0xffe0 - 0x (0x20) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x0010 - 0x3fff (0x3ff0) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f - 0x000f (0x1) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c - 0x000e
[XFree86] read directly from the video card framebuffer
Is it possible to directly read the video card output and save it into a file as a screen shot? I have to capture for a long time the display. Doing it making screen shots is not a good solution. That why I'm trying to find out how to capture the video card output. in other way how can I record the screen as a movie file without making screen shots? thank for your help James ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] read directly from the video card framebuffer
Hallo! Is it possible to directly read the video card output and save it into a file as a screen shot? I have to capture for a long time the display. Doing it making screen shots is not a good solution. That why I'm trying to find out how to capture the video card output. In other way, how can I record the screen as a movie file without making screen shots? thank for your help James ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] problem running x on mac
x managed to startup for a few seconds before quitting I needs help to solve this problem. thanks in advance. mac running os x ver 10.1.5. below is the log: XDarwin 1.2.0 XFree86 Version 4.3.0 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600) Release Date: 27 February 2003 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your hardware is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Darwin Apple Computer, Inc. Using keymapping provided in /System/Library/Keyboards/USA.keymapping. _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root Warning: no access to tty (Inappropriate ioctl for device). Thus no job control in this shell. Loading GLX bundle glxAGL.bundle (using Apple's OpenGL) Display mode: Rootless Quartz Screen 0 added: 1024x747 @ (0,21) Screen 0 placed at X11 coordinate (0,0). dyld: xterm can't open library: /usr/lib/libncurses.5.dylib (No such file or directory, errno = 2) dyld: xterm can't open library: /usr/lib/libncurses.5.dylib (No such file or directory, errno = 2) dyld: xterm can't open library: /usr/lib/libncurses.5.dylib (No such file or directory, errno = 2) Using keymapping provided in /System/Library/Keyboards/USA.keymapping. Display mode: Rootless Quartz Screen 0 added: 1024x747 @ (0,21) Screen 0 placed at X11 coordinate (0,0). waiting for X server to shut down Quitting XDarwin... Jul 10 20:08:32 localhost lookupd[196]: Caught SIGHUP - reset htmldivPBIgnatius M L Oh/BBRICQ#:FONT color=#4051c8 174365101/FONTBRIMG src=http://web.icq.com/whitepages/online?icq=174365101amp;img=7;BRMore ways to contact me @ FONT color=#ffBYahoo!/B/FONT Messenger:FONT color=#800080 OHMLPC/FONT/P PCITERespect all religions because they are, although many times misguided, an attempt to find God./CITE -- R. J. Grigaitis/P/div/html _ Download Norah Jones, Eminem and more! http://www.msn.com.sg/ringtones/ ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] XTerm OpenSSH question w/ freezing.
Sometimes when I use openssh (latest) and do find . or ls -lR /dev or similiar, my xterm 'freezes up', there is no way to fix it but to kill the xterm usually. This NEVER occurs in telnet. The error is completely reproducable when you come across it. ie: one may just be browsing the filesystem and when you come across this problem, you can launch another xterm and the EXACT same thing happens when you try to do it again Bug reports on similiar issues seem to be sparse and people I know never seem to have the problem, perhaps they use ssh from a windows machine. I was wondering what causes this, and is there a way to fix it? ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] Hide mouse pointer under XF86-4.3.0
I am working on a DVD/MP3 playing machine that will be controlled entirely by keyboard/remote controll. I am running XF86 4.3.0 and I want to hide the cursor. Is there anyway to make it invisible or move it to the bottom right corner of the screen or something similar? I have tried setting the cursor to use other fonts but the best I have managed is a smallish dot, better but not perfect, plus if a window opens below the cursor it changes. I have tried changing HWCursor in XF86Config (nv driver) but i think that just switches over to software rendering. Any advice would be much appreciated Michael Heydon ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Hide mouse pointer under XF86-4.3.0
Michael Heydon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am working on a DVD/MP3 playing machine that will be controlled entirely by keyboard/remote controll. I am running XF86 4.3.0 and I want to hide the cursor. Is there anyway to make it invisible or move it to the bottom right corner of the screen or something similar? I have tried setting the cursor to use other fonts but the best I have managed is a smallish dot, better but not perfect, plus if a window opens below the cursor it changes. I have tried changing HWCursor in XF86Config (nv driver) but i think that just switches over to software rendering. Create a transparent bitmap and set the cursor to that. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] Strange problem with mouse cursor
Hi all, i'm using Linux Debian sarge distro. I use sarge since last October without problems. The last days i have installed a package (artwiz-cursor) for a better look of my mouse pointer. Initially no problems...after one day my mouse cursor become a square. Then i have removed this package but the problem persist. What may be the problem? Thanks in advance and excuse me for my bad english. -- Saluti. Lumix :wq #-- # Luca Micheletti # Debian GNU/Linux # System Administrator #-- ERROR: Keyboard not present. Press F1 to continue. [la precedente frase e' *puramente casuale*] ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Hide mouse pointer under XF86-4.3.0
That still has the problem that it only stays as that image while over the root window (iirc). is there any way to force the cursor to stay the same when it is over other windows? On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 02:47:53PM +0200, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: Michael Heydon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am working on a DVD/MP3 playing machine that will be controlled entirely by keyboard/remote controll. I am running XF86 4.3.0 and I want to hide the cursor. Is there anyway to make it invisible or move it to the bottom right corner of the screen or something similar? I have tried setting the cursor to use other fonts but the best I have managed is a smallish dot, better but not perfect, plus if a window opens below the cursor it changes. I have tried changing HWCursor in XF86Config (nv driver) but i think that just switches over to software rendering. Create a transparent bitmap and set the cursor to that. -- M?ns Rullg?rd [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Hide mouse pointer under XF86-4.3.0
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 02:47:53PM +0200, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: Michael Heydon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Create a transparent bitmap and set the cursor to that. Usual disclaimer: Only works for root window. Check the archives, it's been discussed three times already in the last few days. Greets, Dennis -- We're Germans and we use Unix. That's a combination of two demographic groups known to have no sense of humour whatsoever. -- Hanno Mueller in de.comp.os.unix.programming GPG 0x2B3C646D ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] Re: XTerm OpenSSH question w/ freezing.
war wrote: Sometimes when I use openssh (latest) and do find . or ls -lR /dev or similiar, my xterm 'freezes up', there is no way to fix it but to kill the xterm usually. Let me guess, you have firewalling/packet filter/NAT and the client and server are on different subnets? It's most likely an MTU problem, see [1]. Who looks after the OpenSSH FAQ? I submitted this but never heard anything. [1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssh-unix-devm=102413585608801 -- Darren Tucker (dtucker at zip.com.au) GPG key 8FF4FA69 / D9A3 86E9 7EEE AF4B B2D4 37C9 C982 80C7 8FF4 FA69 Good judgement comes with experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgement. ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] Re: XTerm OpenSSH question w/ freezing.
Let me guess, you have firewalling/packet filter/NAT and the client and server are on different subnets? It's most likely an MTU problem, see [1]. Usually yes, but this also occurs on a 100mbps switched lan with no packet filtering in place. On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Darren Tucker wrote: war wrote: Sometimes when I use openssh (latest) and do find . or ls -lR /dev or similiar, my xterm 'freezes up', there is no way to fix it but to kill the xterm usually. Let me guess, you have firewalling/packet filter/NAT and the client and server are on different subnets? It's most likely an MTU problem, see [1]. Who looks after the OpenSSH FAQ? I submitted this but never heard anything. [1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssh-unix-devm=102413585608801 -- Darren Tucker (dtucker at zip.com.au) GPG key 8FF4FA69 / D9A3 86E9 7EEE AF4B B2D4 37C9 C982 80C7 8FF4 FA69 Good judgement comes with experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgement. ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Hide mouse pointer under XF86-4.3.0
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Michael Heydon wrote: That still has the problem that it only stays as that image while over the root window (iirc). is there any way to force the cursor to stay the same when it is over other windows? Have a program walk the tree of windows regularly and force the cursor for all the windows to be transparent. It's a hack but it sorta works. Once in a while a mouse cursor will be visible briefly -- and some programs may become confused. Perhaps you can live with that? Otherwise you'll have to hack the X server -- or write an X proxy that translates the requests that set the mouse cursor shape :) -Peter Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day; Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Hide mouse pointer under XF86-4.3.0
Dennis Herbrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Create a transparent bitmap and set the cursor to that. Usual disclaimer: Only works for root window. Check the archives, it's been discussed three times already in the last few days. More precisely, it applies to the window for which you set the cursor. -- Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] read directly from the video card framebuffer output
Hallo! Is it possible to directly read the video card output and save it into a file as a screen shot? I have to capture for a long time the display. Doing it making screen shots is not a good solution. That why I'm trying to find out how to capture the video card output. in other way how can I record the screen as a movie file without making screen shots? thank for your help James ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Hide mouse pointer under XF86-4.3.0 [Solved]
I suppose I should have looked their first :) So much for my assumption that google has indexed the entire universe. I ended up modifying a bit of code to do an XWarpPointer to send the mouse to the bottom left corner of the screen. thanks Michael On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 03:10:22PM +0200, Dennis Herbrich wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 02:47:53PM +0200, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: Michael Heydon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Create a transparent bitmap and set the cursor to that. Usual disclaimer: Only works for root window. Check the archives, it's been discussed three times already in the last few days. Greets, Dennis -- We're Germans and we use Unix. That's a combination of two demographic groups known to have no sense of humour whatsoever. -- Hanno Mueller in de.comp.os.unix.programming GPG 0x2B3C646D ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
RE: [XFree86] Hide mouse pointer under XF86-4.3.0
What about having a very small, 'always on top', background-colour, transparent cursor window in the corner, and (periodically?) set the mouse coords to it..? -Oli = Original Message From Peter \Firefly\ Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] = On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Michael Heydon wrote: That still has the problem that it only stays as that image while over the root window (iirc). is there any way to force the cursor to stay the same when it is over other windows? Have a program walk the tree of windows regularly and force the cursor for all the windows to be transparent. It's a hack but it sorta works. Once in a while a mouse cursor will be visible briefly -- and some programs may become confused. Perhaps you can live with that? Otherwise you'll have to hack the X server -- or write an X proxy that translates the requests that set the mouse cursor shape :) -Peter Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day; Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] Re: XTerm OpenSSH question w/ freezing.
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, war wrote: Sometimes when I use openssh (latest) and do find . or ls -lR /dev or similiar, my xterm 'freezes up', there is no way to fix it but to kill the xterm usually. what version of xterm? The only issue that comes to mind is the fix for blinking cursor a few months ago. This NEVER occurs in telnet. The error is completely reproducable when you come across it. ie: one may just be browsing the filesystem and when you come across this problem, you can launch another xterm and the EXACT same thing happens when you try to do it again Bug reports on similiar issues seem to be sparse and people I know never seem to have the problem, perhaps they use ssh from a windows machine. I was wondering what causes this, and is there a way to fix it? -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] Re: XTerm OpenSSH question w/ freezing.
Any version, currently using the latest stable, xterm-179. On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Thomas E. Dickey wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, war wrote: Sometimes when I use openssh (latest) and do find . or ls -lR /dev or similiar, my xterm 'freezes up', there is no way to fix it but to kill the xterm usually. what version of xterm? The only issue that comes to mind is the fix for blinking cursor a few months ago. This NEVER occurs in telnet. The error is completely reproducable when you come across it. ie: one may just be browsing the filesystem and when you come across this problem, you can launch another xterm and the EXACT same thing happens when you try to do it again Bug reports on similiar issues seem to be sparse and people I know never seem to have the problem, perhaps they use ssh from a windows machine. I was wondering what causes this, and is there a way to fix it? -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] Re: XTerm OpenSSH question w/ freezing.
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, war wrote: Any version, currently using the latest stable, xterm-179. There was a Debian bug report last week in this area, but it turned out to be a bug in bash (I don't know more than that). On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Thomas E. Dickey wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, war wrote: Sometimes when I use openssh (latest) and do find . or ls -lR /dev or similiar, my xterm 'freezes up', there is no way to fix it but to kill the xterm usually. what version of xterm? The only issue that comes to mind is the fix for blinking cursor a few months ago. This NEVER occurs in telnet. The error is completely reproducable when you come across it. ie: one may just be browsing the filesystem and when you come across this problem, you can launch another xterm and the EXACT same thing happens when you try to do it again Bug reports on similiar issues seem to be sparse and people I know never seem to have the problem, perhaps they use ssh from a windows machine. I was wondering what causes this, and is there a way to fix it? -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] Re: XTerm OpenSSH question w/ freezing.
Ok, next time I can reproduce this problem I will try csh/ksh other shells and see, thanks for the insight. On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Thomas E. Dickey wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, war wrote: Any version, currently using the latest stable, xterm-179. There was a Debian bug report last week in this area, but it turned out to be a bug in bash (I don't know more than that). On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Thomas E. Dickey wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, war wrote: Sometimes when I use openssh (latest) and do find . or ls -lR /dev or similiar, my xterm 'freezes up', there is no way to fix it but to kill the xterm usually. what version of xterm? The only issue that comes to mind is the fix for blinking cursor a few months ago. This NEVER occurs in telnet. The error is completely reproducable when you come across it. ie: one may just be browsing the filesystem and when you come across this problem, you can launch another xterm and the EXACT same thing happens when you try to do it again Bug reports on similiar issues seem to be sparse and people I know never seem to have the problem, perhaps they use ssh from a windows machine. I was wondering what causes this, and is there a way to fix it? -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] Problem with ATI Radeon 9000 and Proview LCD 15-inch 568/BMM568 monitor
Hello, I have a problem with XFree86 X server : a.. Version of XFree86 : XFree86 Version 4.3.0 b.. Operating System : Slackware 9.0 c.. Video hardware : ATI Radeon 9000 d.. Screen : Proview LCD 15-inch 568/BMM568 e.. Description of the problem : I can't start xserver. XF86Config Description: Binary data XFree86.0.log Description: Binary data
[XFree86] Re: XTerm OpenSSH question w/ freezing.
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, war wrote: Ok, next time I can reproduce this problem I will try csh/ksh other shells and see, thanks for the insight. no problem (it may be the same problem, or one that I haven't read about). On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Thomas E. Dickey wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, war wrote: Any version, currently using the latest stable, xterm-179. There was a Debian bug report last week in this area, but it turned out to be a bug in bash (I don't know more than that). On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Thomas E. Dickey wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, war wrote: Sometimes when I use openssh (latest) and do find . or ls -lR /dev or similiar, my xterm 'freezes up', there is no way to fix it but to kill the xterm usually. what version of xterm? The only issue that comes to mind is the fix for blinking cursor a few months ago. This NEVER occurs in telnet. The error is completely reproducable when you come across it. ie: one may just be browsing the filesystem and when you come across this problem, you can launch another xterm and the EXACT same thing happens when you try to do it again Bug reports on similiar issues seem to be sparse and people I know never seem to have the problem, perhaps they use ssh from a windows machine. I was wondering what causes this, and is there a way to fix it? -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] help: xfree can't start in mac
expert users please kindly guide me on the following problem: xfree v. 4.3.0 installed in mac os x v. 10.1.5 starts for only a few seconds before quitting. the following is the log: XDarwin 1.2.0 XFree86 Version 4.3.0 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600) Release Date: 27 February 2003 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your hardware is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Darwin Apple Computer, Inc. Using keymapping provided in /System/Library/Keyboards/USA.keymapping. Loading GLX bundle glxAGL.bundle (using Apple's OpenGL) Display mode: Rootless Quartz Warning: no access to tty (Inappropriate ioctl for device). Thus no job control in this shell. Screen 0 added: 1024x747 @ (0,21) Screen 0 placed at X11 coordinate (0,0). dyld: xterm can't open library: /usr/lib/libncurses.5.dylib (No such file or directory, errno = 2) waiting for X server to shut down Using keymapping provided in /System/Library/Keyboards/USA.keymapping. Display mode: Rootless Quartz Screen 0 added: 1024x747 @ (0,21) Screen 0 placed at X11 coordinate (0,0). Quitting XDarwin... regards _ Get 10mb of inbox space with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-sg at only S$36 including GST ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] XFree86 and S3trio64V2 video card
Mark, startx doesn't work. Can you help me with this? My PC: IBM Netfinity 5500 video card S3trio64V2 Linux Red Hat 8.0 Thank you. Laerte. ___ Yahoo! Mail Mais espaço, mais segurança e gratuito: caixa postal de 6MB, antivírus, proteção contra spam. http://br.mail.yahoo.com/ XF86Config. Description: XF86Config. XFree86.0.log Description: XFree86.0.log
[XFree86] IMPORTANT: your message to html-tidy
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[XFree86] no screen after exiting X from startx
I saw this posted in the groups, but no response there. I start X 4.3.0 from startx, and works fine, but on exit, I don't have a screen, but i can type shutdown -r now, blindly, and it works. What is it? I have an ati radeon 7500, and have the problem on both an lcd and a crt monitor. I'm running fvwm 2.4.15. gabe ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Would you like to boost your career? i
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 10:25:59AM +0200, Egbert Eich wrote: David Dawes writes: On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 09:30:51PM -0400, News/Info wrote: Yeah you do have to be a member but even the guidelines say that their No, you don't have to be a member. The member-only restriction was tried with the old newbie/xpert lists, and failed. The relatively small amount of spam that gets through is preferable to having a list moderator manually scan through all non-members postings, which, at times, resulted in multi-week delays in posts getting through with those old lists. Not to mention that member-only is no substitute for a good filter, given that much of the virus mail going around these days appears to come from valid addresses that are likely to be list members. The other downside of having an open list is that a considerable number of answers never seem to make it to their destination. The first time someone posts to this list, they get an auto-reply informing them that they may not see the reply if they don't subscribe. For 99% of cases, they have enough time to subscribe if they wish to before someone replies to their message. If they don't want to, that's their choice, made with the knowledge that they may not see any replies. There are a couple of sites that archive this list, so people can go check there if they don't want to subscribe. I think this issue is orthogonal to the one of member-only restrictions. As I have pointed out in a postiong about a similar subject yesterday even when doing a group reply the answer is only sent to the list, not to the author in the From: field unless this author was clever enough to add himself to Cc: - something that we cannot ask from our support customers. And no, I'm convinced now that this is not a problem with my mailer as the RFC clearly states that the Reply-To: filed has precendence over the From: filed. Well, I've never seen this problem. The mailer I use (mutt) handles it just fine. But then, mutt is very flexible and configurable. I have looked thru a long list of postings on this list and only very few replies had the original author in the Cc. Since we cannot say for sure who is subscribed (unless replying to a reply) we would always have to put the original author into the Cc: manually. Something that seems to be forgotten most of the times. The question is if this could not be automated. If we can agree on a solution we may be able to find somebody who'd volunteer to help setting this up for us. I don't believe that it can be automated in any useful way. David -- David Dawes Founder/committer/developer The XFree86 Project www.XFree86.org/~dawes ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] Out of Office AutoReply: Application
Thank you for your message. Please note that as of July 3, 2003 I am no longer with Greenough Communications. If you need immediate assistance please contact Tracy Sullivan at 617.275.6518 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Hannah Blackwell ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] libXrender calling unfound symbol
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, gabe f wrote: where do I want to add it? -lXext on the link line. But I'm not sure that's your problem. I don't have a reference to _XextFindDisplay in my libXrender.so.1.2. There is, however, a XextFindDisplay. Maybe your libXrender.so.1.2 and libXext are mismatched? Mark. On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 08:38 PM, Mark Vojkovich wrote: On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, gabe f wrote: I believe this is an x problem, not an aterm problem, based on the x server error. I'm having a problem running aterm under 4.3.0. I recompiled aterm after installing 4.3.0, and reinstalled it. Now, when I run it I'm getting errors: /usr/libexec/ld.so: Undefined symbol _XextFindDisplay called from aterm:/usr/X11R6/lib/libXrender.so.1.2 at 0x401e50dc Was I missing some library when I compiled xfree86 4.3.0? Any extensions require that libXext is linked in. Mark. ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Xinerama blacks out
If you can get either to work individually when both are in the machine, but they don't work simultaneously... assuming that not loading the GLX module doesn't make things better, it sounds like a bug in the S3 driver. I think I recall there being problems at one time about it not setting its RAC flags correctly and subsequently not being able to work in multihead configurations correctly. That might be fixed in XFree86 4.3. If the S3 card doesn't work alone when the NVIDIA card is in the machine, that probably due to the S3 driver not being able to work on secondary cards. Changing which card boots via the motherboard bios can often fix that. Mark. On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, McNeill Kirkpatrick wrote: I'm trying to dual head my display using an Nvidia geforce2 and a s3 virge board. Using the XF86Config file attached, I got X to run using both displays simply by commenting out the screen line in the server layout corresponding to the card I wouldn't be using. To get the virge card to work, however, I had to remove my nvidia card from my computer.If I don't take the nvidia card out, or if both screen lines are included(as they are in the attached file) when I type startx, my screen goes black, and nothing happens. I can't even ctl-alt-f1 to a console, and the only thing that works is rebooting via ctl-alt-delete. Any one know why this would happen? ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Problem on Linux regarding startx
Does running XFree86 instead of startx give you a working server (without window manager of course, you'll need to use ctrlaltbackspace to quit). When it did fatal error, was that from the server or from the window manager? If it's from the server it should show up at the end of the /var/log/XFree86.0.log file. Mark. On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, mahesh matha wrote: Dear Sir/Madam, I have a peculiar problem while using startx. My computer's microprocessor is Pentium 4. The Linux installed on it is Red hat version 8. Now the problem is as follows: When I type startx at the command prompt, I get an error : fatal server error caught signal 8 server aborting. Then the command prompt is displayed again. I request you to aid me in solving the problem. How to make startx work properly. The second point is : When I type startx -- -dip 100 startx works fine. This I had dione on the advice of a friend. I do not know the underlying reason for this. I would like to know 1)why startx does not work when I type startx at the command prompt. How to make it work (the solution) Also why did startx work when I typed startx -- -dip 100. I would be grateful if you will reply soon. Thanking You, Mahesh. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] SBCIS Policy Department (KMM5089821V60456L0KM)
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[XFree86] Re: XFree86 and S3trio64V2 video card
I don't know anything about the S3 driver. Perhaps someone else on this list knows. Perhaps you'd get better results using the vesa driver. Mark. On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, [iso-8859-1] Laerte Pereira wrote: Mark, startx doesn't work. Can you help me with this? My PC: IBM Netfinity 5500 video card S3trio64V2 Linux Red Hat 8.0 Thank you. Laerte. ___ Yahoo! Mail Mais espaço, mais segurança e gratuito: caixa postal de 6MB, antivírus, proteção contra spam. http://br.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
RE: [XFree86] Hide mouse pointer under XF86-4.3.0
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Oli Comber wrote: What about having a very small, 'always on top', background-colour, transparent cursor window in the corner, and (periodically?) set the mouse coords to it..? Even better, I think. -Peter Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day; Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] read directly from the video card framebuffer
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 11:06:22AM +0200, james amen atayi wrote: Hallo! Is it possible to directly read the video card output and save it into a file as a screen shot? I have to capture for a long time the display. Doing it making screen shots is not a good solution. That why I'm trying to find out how to capture the video card output. In other way, how can I record the screen as a movie file without making screen shots? thank for your help I'm not sure of anything specifically for making movies/animations out of them, but there are several programs that can capture X protocol events, such as xmon, xscope, and xlab. Also, you could run a VNC server and use rfbproxy to capture its output. -- Furrfu! r a k k o at c h a r t e r dot n e t ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] read directly from the video card framebuffer
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Eric Christopherson wrote: how to capture the video card output. In other way, how can I record the screen as a movie file without making screen shots? thank for your help I'm not sure of anything specifically for making movies/animations out of them, but there are several programs that can capture X protocol events, such as xmon, xscope, and xlab. Also, you could run a VNC server and use rfbproxy to capture its output. Maybe he could use a separate video capture card? Otherwise I'd say that the only way to go would be to take screenshots some number of times per second for as long as necessary but to get a program to do it, of course. -Peter Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day; Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] Xft Documentation
Hi all ;), I looking documentation for the Xft 2.0 API. I've only a found a paper by Keith Packard, and i don't know if it covers all the details of the last version of Xft. Is there any more documentation I should know of? Thanks in advance, -- David Gómez The question of whether computers can think is just like the question of whether submarines can swim. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
RE: [XFree86] XWINDOWS Crashed
Hello Mark, Sorry to bother you but I made the test , change the lines as you told me , but I am still stuck !! :-( I just replaced the line and it still not happy ! Do you know why suddently this didn't work anymore ? I check on the Machine I re-install everything, and the font is UNIX:7100 And seems to work fine at the moment !.. but for how long ??? Regards, Stephane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Vojkovich Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:39 PM To: XFREE86 Subject: Re: [XFree86] XWINDOWS Crashed On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Mx21725 wrote: Hi there, I am using RedHat v 8.0 on 2 different machines Suddently, one couldn't start anymore... Impossible to restart the Xserver...!! Having no time, I decided to re-install everything!! My second machine did exactly the sam thing I have the same problem !!! and this timne I would like to avoid re-installing everything ! I sent a previous email where Mark told me to restart the XFS service service xfs reload Unfortunately, the answer is FAILED What can I do ?? Don't use a font server. Put the following lines in the Section Files of the XF86Config file. FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo Mark. ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86 # XFree86 4.2.0 configuration generated by Xconfigurator 4.10.7 # Red Hat Linux 6.0 and later use the xfs font server for improved # interactive performance # Module loading section Section ServerLayout Identifier XFree86 Configured Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard EndSection Section Files FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo EndSection Section Module # Load record# X event recorder # You only need the following two modules if you do not use xfs. # Load freetype # TrueType font handler # Load type1 # Adobe Type 1 font handler Load dbe # Double-buffering Load GLcore # OpenGL support Load dri # Direct rendering infrastructure Load glx # OpenGL X protocol interface Load extmod # Misc. required extensions Load v4l # Video4Linux EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver keyboard Option XkbLayout gb EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Device /dev/mouse Option Protocol PS/2 Option Emulate3Buttons off Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 EndSection Section Monitor Identifier My Monitor VendorName Unknown ModelNameUnknown HorizSync31.5 - 48.5 VertRefresh 50.0 - 90.0 Option dpms EndSection Section Device # Option no_accel# You may enable this if there are timeouts when starting X #Option xaa_benchmark Identifier My Video Card Driver savage BoardName Unknown EndSection Section Device Identifier Linux Frame Buffer Driver fbdev BoardName Unknown EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device My Video Card MonitorMy Monitor DefaultDepth 16 SubSection Display Depth 24 Modes1152x864 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 16 Modes1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection EndSection Section DRI Mode 0666 EndSection XFree86.0.log Description: Binary data
Re: [XFree86] Xpert, Any software just for 15$ - 40$
On Tuesday, July 8, 2003 12:05 pm, Egbert Eich wrote: Daniel Stone writes: I also hope like hell Mailman isn't munging Reply-To, because that's just *wrong*. Hm, I don't know what you would call munging, it puts the list address into the Reply-To. Daniel is probably referring to: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html -- Andy Goth | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://ioioio.net/ End communication. ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Xpert, Any software just for 15$ - 40$
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Andy Goth wrote: On Tuesday, July 8, 2003 12:05 pm, Egbert Eich wrote: Daniel Stone writes: I also hope like hell Mailman isn't munging Reply-To, because that's just *wrong*. Hm, I don't know what you would call munging, it puts the list address into the Reply-To. Daniel is probably referring to: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html ... which expresses an opinion not that widely held. Marc. +--+---+ | Marc Aurele La France | work: 1-780-492-9310 | | Computing and Network Services | fax:1-780-492-1729 | | 352 General Services Building | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | University of Alberta +---+ | Edmonton, Alberta | | | T6G 2H1 | Standard disclaimers apply| | CANADA | | +--+---+ XFree86 Core Team member. ATI driver and X server internals. ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Xpert, Any software just for 15$ - 40$
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 04:31:16PM -0500, Andy Goth wrote: On Tuesday, July 8, 2003 12:05 pm, Egbert Eich wrote: Daniel Stone writes: I also hope like hell Mailman isn't munging Reply-To, because that's just *wrong*. Hm, I don't know what you would call munging, it puts the list address into the Reply-To. Daniel is probably referring to: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html This comes up from time to time, and has been for years. There's no point rehashing that particular matter of personal preference again. If you want to force your own reply-to, you can. It only gets set to the list if you don't provide your own (this was broken, but has been fixed again). I'll continue to use mutt's 'l' reply method most of the time, which sends replies to the list regardless of how the reply-to is set. David -- David Dawes Founder/committer/developer The XFree86 Project www.XFree86.org/~dawes ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] no screen after exiting X from startx
On Thursday 10 July 2003 11:04 am, gabe f wrote: I saw this posted in the groups, but no response there. I start X 4.3.0 from startx, and works fine, but on exit, I don't have a screen, but i can type shutdown -r now, blindly, and it works. What is it? I have an ati radeon 7500, and have the problem on both an lcd and a crt monitor. I'm running fvwm 2.4.15. gabe I have had this happen with various higher level video cards, nVIDIA Matrox etc. - what I have done to work around the problem is to not use framebuffer mode. Set lilo to vga=normal and you should get your term screen back. -- Ken Thompson WA7SYR Payette, Idaho Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux- Coming Soon To A Desktop Near You Registered Linux User #183936 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] X configuration on IBM Thinkpad A22p
I'm trying to get linux (Suse 8.1) running on my A22p Thinkpad but so far I haven't had any success. I've read one instance where someone installed an older version and it worked fine, then upgraded and it kept the same settings. I tried doing this also. I used Suse 7.3 and it came up just fine. However, when I upgraded to 8.0, it took a nosedive. It picks up the ATI Mobility M4 chip just fine. I just can't get it to use any of the monitor profiles for the lcd. Below are the XFConfig and the log file: # /.../ # SaX generated XFree86 config file # Created on: 2003-07-09. # # Version: 4.3 # Contact: Marcus Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001 # # Automatically generated by [ISaX] (4.3) # PLEASE DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE! # Section Files FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/URW FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/PEX FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/misc:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/75dpi:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/100dpi:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/Type1 FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin7/75dpi:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/baekmuk:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/japanese:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/kwintv FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/uni FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ucs/misc FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ucs/75dpi:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ucs/100dpi:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/misc:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/75dpi:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/100dpi:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/Type1 FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/sgi FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/xtest ModulePath /usr/X11R6/lib/modules RgbPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb EndSection Section ServerFlags Option AllowMouseOpenFail EndSection Section Module Load dbe Load type1 Load speedo Load extmod Load freetype EndSection Section InputDevice Driver keyboard Identifier Keyboard[0] Option Protocol Standard Option XkbKeyCodes xfree86 Option XkbLayout us Option XkbModel pc104 Option XkbRules xfree86 EndSection Section InputDevice Driver mouse Identifier Mouse[1] Option Device /dev/psaux Option Name AutoDetected Option Protocol ps/2 Option Vendor AutoDetected EndSection Section Monitor HorizSync31-65 Identifier Monitor[0] ModelNameAutoDetected VendorName AutoDetected VertRefresh 58-78 UseModes Modes[0] EndSection Section Modes Identifier Modes[0] Modeline 640x480 27.96 640 656 720 864 480 480 485 501 Modeline 800x600 43.68 800 816 928 1072 600 600 606 626 Modeline 1024x768 69.35 1024 1040 1216 1400 768 768 778 802 Modeline 1024x768 79.55 1024 1040 1216 1400 768 768 778 802 EndSection Section Screen DefaultDepth 16 SubSection Display Depth 16 Modes 1024x768 640x480 800x600 EndSubSection Device Device[0] Identifier Screen[0] Monitor Monitor[0] EndSection Section Device BoardNameAutoDetected Driver r128 Identifier Device[0] Option dpms VendorName AutoDetected EndSection Section ServerLayout Identifier Layout[all] InputDevice Keyboard[0] CoreKeyboard InputDevice Mouse[1] CorePointer Screen Screen[0] EndSection Section DRI Group video Mode 0660 EndSection XFree86 Version 4.2.0 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600) Release Date: 23 January 2002 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/) Build Operating System: SuSE Linux [ELF] SuSE Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log, Time: Thu Jul 10 15:46:27 2003 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/XF86Config (==) ServerLayout Layout[all] (**) |--Screen Screen[0] (0) (**) | |--Monitor Monitor[0] (**) | |--Device Device[0] (**) |--Input Device
Re: [XFree86] no screen after exiting X from startx
I disabled dbe, but I can still just barely read the text when back in terminal mode. Like the text color is black, or something. I experienced text color being changed to blue for a while, then I changed XF86Config, and this started happening - maybe the config changes just changed the text color to a (much) darker blue? So, as a workaround, how do I change the text color in terminal mode? On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 06:20 PM, Ken Thompson wrote: On Thursday 10 July 2003 11:04 am, gabe f wrote: I saw this posted in the groups, but no response there. I start X 4.3.0 from startx, and works fine, but on exit, I don't have a screen, but i can type shutdown -r now, blindly, and it works. What is it? I have an ati radeon 7500, and have the problem on both an lcd and a crt monitor. I'm running fvwm 2.4.15. gabe I have had this happen with various higher level video cards, nVIDIA Matrox etc. - what I have done to work around the problem is to not use framebuffer mode. Set lilo to vga=normal and you should get your term screen back. -- Ken Thompson WA7SYR Payette, Idaho Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux- Coming Soon To A Desktop Near You Registered Linux User #183936 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] Closing XDMCP without stopping processes?
Hi, I'm running a terminal-server with XFree86 4.3.0, XDMCP and KDE 3.1. From SUN I know you can close the X-session without stopping processes/programs/window-manager running on the server (just pull off your smartcard from one terminal and put it into another one and keep on working. The processes and window-manager have kept running in background on the server). Is that possible with XDMCP (I want to use power-management on the terminals, so I need it)? -- Rene Bartsch Faculties MNI Computer Science 8th Semester FH Giessen/Friedberg, Germany Facsimile/Phone: +49 7 00/72 27 87 24 Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] libXrender calling unfound symbol
Not sure what you mean. I don't have a reference to _XextFindDisplay in my libXrender.so.1.2, either. I think the stabs only contain symbols that it provides code for, not ones that are used by it's code. But, what file do I want to add the link to, I mean, what is the proper user config file to edit for the Xrender library? gabe On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 01:52 PM, Mark Vojkovich wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, gabe f wrote: where do I want to add it? -lXext on the link line. But I'm not sure that's your problem. I don't have a reference to _XextFindDisplay in my libXrender.so.1.2. There is, however, a XextFindDisplay. Maybe your libXrender.so.1.2 and libXext are mismatched? Mark. On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 08:38 PM, Mark Vojkovich wrote: On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, gabe f wrote: I believe this is an x problem, not an aterm problem, based on the x server error. I'm having a problem running aterm under 4.3.0. I recompiled aterm after installing 4.3.0, and reinstalled it. Now, when I run it I'm getting errors: /usr/libexec/ld.so: Undefined symbol _XextFindDisplay called from aterm:/usr/X11R6/lib/libXrender.so.1.2 at 0x401e50dc Was I missing some library when I compiled xfree86 4.3.0? Any extensions require that libXext is linked in. Mark. ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] xdm startup auth problem
Hi, I'm running 4.2.1 under freebsd 4.8. I can run just xf86cfg or startx with no problem, but running xdm I get: AUDIT: Thu Jul 10 20:31:47 2003: 2422 X: client 2 rejected from local host Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1 Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key I've seen this before ... shouldn't this be in a FAQ somewhere? Thanks for any help!!! Rich ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Xpert, Any software just for 15$ - 40$
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 04:10:58PM -0600, Marc Aurele La France wrote: Hm, I don't know what you would call munging, it puts the list address into the Reply-To. Daniel is probably referring to: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html ... which expresses an opinion not that widely held. No, it's that widely held. Been on mailing lists since I had a bang path. It's harmful. Believe me. Cheers, -- ...!petsd!peora!usfbobo!usfvax2!jc3b21!jc3b22!jra -- Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Would you like to boost your career? i
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 10:25:59AM +0200, Egbert Eich wrote: The question is if this could not be automated. If we can agree on a solution we may be able to find somebody who'd volunteer to help setting this up for us. record condition=broken Yes, this can be done; this has been done; [EMAIL PROTECTED] uses it and it works nicely; would you like a copy? /record :-) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Closing XDMCP without stopping processes?
On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 03:03:59AM +0200, Rene Bartsch wrote: I'm running a terminal-server with XFree86 4.3.0, XDMCP and KDE 3.1. From SUN I know you can close the X-session without stopping processes/programs/window-manager running on the server (just pull off your smartcard from one terminal and put it into another one and keep on working. The processes and window-manager have kept running in background on the server). Is that possible with XDMCP (I want to use power-management on the terminals, so I need it)? If you need to be able to walk entire sessions around, you might want to consider running the session on the server under Xvnc, and just running vncviewer to connect to it. I've done this for a small (6 seat) client office, and it works quite nicely, though it does up your server requirements a tad (they're using a dual PII-450 Dell Precision 410 with 640MB of ram and 100BaseT -- interactice response times are quite reasonable). Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Xpert, Any software just for 15$ - 40$
harmful in that it adds traffic to the list? I learn things by hearing replies that people might have (inadvertantly) made direct to the author. If the reply-to field was not munged people would have to choose to make the threads readable by the list ( like a news group). If they didn't think about it, or decided for some (shy/considerate) reason to make their responses not to the group, then we'd really miss out on a lot of knowledge. my 2 cents. On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 08:40 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 04:10:58PM -0600, Marc Aurele La France wrote: Hm, I don't know what you would call munging, it puts the list address into the Reply-To. Daniel is probably referring to: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html ... which expresses an opinion not that widely held. No, it's that widely held. Been on mailing lists since I had a bang path. It's harmful. Believe me. Cheers, -- ...!petsd!peora!usfbobo!usfvax2!jc3b21!jc3b22!jra -- Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Xpert, Any software just for 15$ - 40$
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 08:40:39PM -0400, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 04:10:58PM -0600, Marc Aurele La France wrote: Hm, I don't know what you would call munging, it puts the list address into the Reply-To. Daniel is probably referring to: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html ... which expresses an opinion not that widely held. No, it's that widely held. Been on mailing lists since I had a bang path. It's harmful. Believe me. It's still an *opinion*. 11 years of dealing with XFree86 mailing lists have shown me that for everyone who agrees with it, there is at least one who disagrees. The biggest difference is that those who agree with it are more likely to be so fanatical about it that they'll use their last breath to insist that it's a right vs wrong issue rather than an *opinion*. No amount of rehashing this tired old topic will serve any useful purpose. David -- David Dawes Founder/committer/developer The XFree86 Project www.XFree86.org/~dawes ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Xpert, Any software just for 15$ - 40$
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 10:19:12PM -0400, David Dawes wrote: No, it's that widely held. Been on mailing lists since I had a bang path. It's harmful. Believe me. It's still an *opinion*. 11 years of dealing with XFree86 mailing lists have shown me that for everyone who agrees with it, there is at least one who disagrees. The biggest difference is that those who agree with it are more likely to be so fanatical about it that they'll use their last breath to insist that it's a right vs wrong issue rather than an *opinion*. No amount of rehashing this tired old topic will serve any useful purpose. It's not my list. It *IS* probably a good idea to point out that the list does such munging at the point of signup, though. There have been divorces. No, I'm not kidding. ... Yeah, an X Window list is *not* all that likely to cause a divorce. :-) And actually, no, it's not an opinion; it's a cost benefit analysis. *I* make the costs much higher than the benefits, and *that* is an opinion. A professional opinion; yes, I *do* make a living at this Internet stuff. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Xpert, Any software just for 15$ - 40$
So then, why do you subscribe to the list, you could just read the emails on the website, thereby saving all of that internet traffic, by only viewing the email body text that appealed to you by its subject, and you wouldn't have to deal with those harmful vacation auto-replies, either? the internet has more than one field, by the way. I doubt you're in a personnel/user related area. On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 09:21 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: It's not my list. It *IS* probably a good idea to point out that the list does such munging at the point of signup, though. There have been divorces. No, I'm not kidding. ... Yeah, an X Window list is *not* all that likely to cause a divorce. :-) And actually, no, it's not an opinion; it's a cost benefit analysis. *I* make the costs much higher than the benefits, and *that* is an opinion. A professional opinion; yes, I *do* make a living at this Internet stuff. Cheers, -- jra ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] Mailing list behaviour and etiquette, in general
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 10:58:56PM -0400, gabe f wrote: So then, why do you subscribe to the list, you could just read the emails on the website, thereby saving all of that internet traffic, by only viewing the email body text that appealed to you by its subject, and you wouldn't have to deal with those harmful vacation auto-replies, either? Cause I asked a question (which has drawn *no* replies, BTW -- mostly, probably, cause I'd already asked the point guy on the topic and he didn't know), and subscribing to follow the answers *is what you do*. I stayed on a) waiting to see if someone picked up the questions and b) in case someone asked one I could answer -- much the same reason I'm on the Linux Gazette Answer Gang. the internet has more than one field, by the way. I doubt you're in a personnel/user related area. Almost all of them in 20 years, except maybe BGP4. *Lots* of front line user hand-holding and training, in fact -- including teaching people how to work their mail user agents for best effect. So that poor configuration choices on mailing lists won't bite *them*. :-) And between your attitude and David's, I must say, I can see why there was a fuss with Keith, and why people suggested that he fork the project. If y'all can't be bothered to be polite anymore, go find something else to do, 'k? No, really. FOSS doesn't need any bad attitudes, even this late in it's evolution. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Mailing list behaviour and etiquette, in general
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 09:59:02PM -0400, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: And between your attitude and David's, I must say, I can see why there was a fuss with Keith, and why people suggested that he fork the project. If y'all I've been making that suggestion too. Haven't seen anything come of it yet. Hopefully y'all won't have to wait too much longer. can't be bothered to be polite anymore, go find something else to do, 'k? No, really. FOSS doesn't need any bad attitudes, even this late in it's evolution. If objecting to your misrepresentation of your opinion as right vs wrong is a sign of a bad attitude, then cool. I don't know why you fail to consider that in a project as old as XFree86 this tired old issue wasn't considered and dispatched a long long time ago. It was. If you want to look at it as cost vs benefit, the benefit to the subscribers (and archives) as a whole in maximising the chance that they'll see all the discussions outweighs the cost of the occasional misdirected private reply, in my experience over the life of XFree86. It works for us. Unlike you, I'm not claiming that one solution is best for all situations. As I said in another message today, you can set your own reply-to, and it won't get overriden, so some of the stuff on Chip's page doesn't even apply here. A warning from the Surgeon General: Mail sent to this list may be infected by a reply-to header pointing back to the list. Some experts consider this harmful. The most reliable way to avoid this potential harm is to unsubscribe from this list. :-) David -- David Dawes Founder/committer/developer The XFree86 Project www.XFree86.org/~dawes ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] Re: Mailing list behaviour and etiquette, in general
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: category. Munging the RT violates the Principle of Least Astonishment rather thoroughly, so even if it's a miswart, it's still worthy to be pointed out. Personally, not that it matters at all in any way, but I prefer lists that do Reply-to pointing back to the list. I wont go into my reasons, as they're identical to the reasoning of everyone else who prefers it this way. The bare fact is, that reply-to munging flamewar threads have occured on mailing lists since the first days that reply-to munging started happening. I must have been on at least 200 if not 500 mailing lists which have had this exact same flamewar, and not just once, but several times a year/month, and it creeps back up again occasionally. Not just on lists like this one which set Reply-to to the list, but also on lists that *dont*, where people are arguing that the list *should*. Regardless of what *any* one person or 500 people think, this is a completely preferential and controversial issue. As controversial as abortion, capital punishment, vi vs. emacs, or whatever your favourite 50/50 split flamewar is. The bottom line, is that 50/50 split flamewars (or any ratio from about 40/60 to 60/40 or so) end up almost always in the end, or at least 99.9% of the time ending with no list change occuring. Changing behaviour pisses off more people than it pleases, in particular if a list has had a certain behaviour for a long time. As such, it is extremely pointless to demand that a given list should change it's policy on this issue, regardless of what datapoints you'd like to raise. You won't raise even a single datapoint that the list maintainers, and the majority of subscribers are not already fully 100% aware of. They just disagree with you, and are not likely to change their line of thinking no matter how much you disagree or how big of a flamewar you'd like to make about it. The best you can do, is agree to disagree and then move on to another topic - or unsubscribe. Regardless of how a particular mailing list is ran with respect to Reply-To, _anyone_ who is bothered by a given list's policy, can easily change it on their end to suit their own preference. If you prefer Reply-To to point back to the mailing list, but the list does not do that, a simple procmail filter which moves any existing Reply-To to Cc, and puts the list address from From: or another header into the Reply-To will accomplish that (that's what I do). If you prefer Reply-To: never replying to the list, then have procmail strip out the Reply-To: header, and optionally munge From: or CC: to Reply-To to simulate putting it back. One thing is fairly certain however - you are very unlikely to to change long term list policies/preferences to your way of doing things via flamewar, and not likely via any other mechanism, so just deal with it, or unsubscribe. -- Mike A. Harris ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Re: Mailing list behaviour and etiquette, in general
On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 01:33:10AM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: The bare fact is, that reply-to munging flamewar threads have occured on mailing lists since the first days that reply-to munging started happening. I must have been on at least 200 if not 500 mailing lists which have had this exact same flamewar, and not just once, but several times a year/month, and it creeps back up again occasionally. Not just on lists like this one which set Reply-to to the list, but also on lists that *dont*, where people are arguing that the list *should*. I see the former all the time, as to you. I've only ever seen the latter, maybe twice in 15 years. I'd actually be fairly interested to see the relative percentages. Regardless of what *any* one person or 500 people think, this is a completely preferential and controversial issue. As controversial as abortion, capital punishment, vi vs. emacs, or whatever your favourite 50/50 split flamewar is. Given safety (which is, admittedly, only an accurate description of the benefit gained on certain types of mailing lists) versus convenience (which is how *I* describe making easier for users something their *MUA* should be making easier for them instead), it seems to be as obvious to me as the smoking in bars issue -- for the smokers, it's only convenience, they're gonna die of lung cancer *anyway*... but the non-smokers *weren't*. It isn't just the convenience issue the smokers paint it as, and they're trumped. The bottom line, is that 50/50 split flamewars (or any ratio from about 40/60 to 60/40 or so) end up almost always in the end, or at least 99.9% of the time ending with no list change occuring. Changing behaviour pisses off more people than it pleases, in particular if a list has had a certain behaviour for a long time. *That* I can't argue with. As such, it is extremely pointless to demand that a given list should change it's policy on this issue, regardless of what datapoints you'd like to raise. You won't raise even a single datapoint that the list maintainers, and the majority of subscribers are not already fully 100% aware of. They just disagree with you, and are not likely to change their line of thinking no matter how much you disagree or how big of a flamewar you'd like to make about it. The best you can do, is agree to disagree and then move on to another topic - or unsubscribe. Pretty sure that I did *not* advocate *this list* changing anything, Mike. Go re-check the thread. Was merely expressing an opinion. Regardless of how a particular mailing list is ran with respect to Reply-To, _anyone_ who is bothered by a given list's policy, can easily change it on their end to suit their own preference. Well, not always. *This* list permits user set RT's to go through, but some lists do *not*, and in that case, your assertion is incorrect. If you prefer Reply-To to point back to the mailing list, but the list does not do that, a simple procmail filter which moves any existing Reply-To to Cc, and puts the list address from From: or another header into the Reply-To will accomplish that (that's what I do). Note that the issue here is what does my message get to *list subscribers* with a RT set to? -- an item I *cannot* control if the list doesn't permit it. I don't mind having my opinion ignored on this topic on lists... but let's all be clear, shall we? If you prefer Reply-To: never replying to the list, then have procmail strip out the Reply-To: header, and optionally munge From: or CC: to Reply-To to simulate putting it back. Why would I want to bother? If I could run procmail, I'd just run mutt (or, likely, one of the KDE mailers which probably also get it right) and not worry about it. One thing is fairly certain however - you are very unlikely to to change long term list policies/preferences to your way of doing things via flamewar, and not likely via any other mechanism, so just deal with it, or unsubscribe. Wasn't staring a flameware, Mike; not real pleased that you're trying to cast me as *having* tried to start one... and since the original question was is there an automated way to make sure the querent gets an answer and *I've answered that twice, with an offer of code and been ignored*, I reserve the right to be cranky for being bitched at about the issue. 'k? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Xpert, Any software just for 15$ - 40$
On Thursday, July 10, 2003 5:12 pm, David Dawes wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 04:31:16PM -0500, Andy Goth wrote: On Tuesday, July 8, 2003 12:05 pm, Egbert Eich wrote: Daniel Stone writes: I also hope like hell Mailman isn't munging Reply-To, because that's just *wrong*. Hm, I don't know what you would call munging, it puts the list address into the Reply-To. Daniel is probably referring to: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html This comes up from time to time, and has been for years. There's no point rehashing that particular matter of personal preference again. Sorry I brought it up... :^( I didn't mean to start anything. I just happened to remember seeing the words munge alongside reply-to and thought there might be a reference. I will not reply to this thread again. -- Andy Goth | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://ioioio.net/ End communication. ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Xpert, Any software just for 15$ - 40$
On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 12:42:05AM -0500, Andy Goth wrote: On Thursday, July 10, 2003 5:12 pm, David Dawes wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 04:31:16PM -0500, Andy Goth wrote: On Tuesday, July 8, 2003 12:05 pm, Egbert Eich wrote: Daniel Stone writes: I also hope like hell Mailman isn't munging Reply-To, because that's just *wrong*. Hm, I don't know what you would call munging, it puts the list address into the Reply-To. Daniel is probably referring to: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html This comes up from time to time, and has been for years. There's no point rehashing that particular matter of personal preference again. Sorry I brought it up... :^( I didn't mean to start anything. I just happened to remember seeing the words munge alongside reply-to and thought there might be a reference. I will not reply to this thread again. Don't worry, Andy; it's me they're yelling at. :-) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
