Re: [XFree86] Re: TV-out messes up things when TV is plugged in
Kevin B. Payne wrote: This is NOT a bug. The ATI Rage128 chipset on the All-In-Wonder 128 Pro video card is actually locked into a refresh rate of 60 Hz at 800X600 resolution when TV is enabled. The card itself cannot produce two different refresh rates at the same time to satisfy both your monitor and the TV signal. However, the Xserver's default of dropping out of X when NO SCREENS FOUND error occurs doesn't allow just the TV or monitor display to work independantly. If you want both you ARE going to have to get a PNP monitor from a respectible brand company that will support 800X600 resolution at 60Hz and then set X up appropriately to run at that resolution and refresh rate on your display. The BUG is that XFree86 neither fails to start with the XF86Config-requested resolutions, nor adopts 800x600 at 60 Hz (or whatever works). Now XFree86 starts just fine without any indication in the log file. The BUG is that XFree86 does not check if TV is plugged in and the card disregards XFree86 later. Can TV-out be diagnosed by XFree86? Thanks, Alexei ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Re: TV-out messes up things when TV is plugged in
On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 22:53, Mike A. Harris wrote: On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Alexei Podtelezhnikov wrote: This is a cool bug! I have ATI AiW 128 Pro 16 Mb card with TV-out. This is a Page 128 Pro PF chip, I belive. I get no output on display when I start xfree86 with TV plugged in. Everything works without TV. Let's be fair, switching to virtual console works and I can do work there, so it's not a complete freeze or crush - just no signal in graphics mode with TV in. Let's be fair once more, Windows 98 also behaves funny. Plugging in TV halves the refresh rate or something. Sort of, the card splits the signal into two outputs, to TV and to the monitor, but at least I get the signal. TV requires 800x600 at 60 Hz signal; without TV I get 120 Hz on the monitor at the same resolution. Mike, as far as Red Hat 8.0.94 goes, anaconda fails to recognize the card properly when the TV is plugged in. I recognizes it as Rage 128, instead of Rage 128 Pro. Then, graphical installation doesn't work, etc. Without TV everything works like a magic. Hmm. That is weird because our autodetection tools are keyed of PCI ID. Every PCI ID has one driver assigned to it only, and when that ID is detected, the driver name is looked up in pcitable, and then the driver selection looked up in the Cards database. I can't imagine why you would see Rage 128 one time and Rage 128 Pro another time. Doesn't make much sense to me. One thing though, is that the name is just cosmetic anyway. Any Rage 128 anything chip, get's ultimately assigned to the r128 driver, so you can manually pick any random Rage128 chip instead of using autodetection, and you'll end up with a possibly misnamed card name in your config file, but with an otherwise identical configuration. Your problem is indeed interesting though. Could you put logs and configs somewhere to have a peek at. The logs might show some clues. Thanks, TTYL I had exactly the same problem except I didn't tie the two things together, tv plugged in and lose of x. My previous old monitor showed a screen but it was really distorted like the the refresh rate had gone haywire. My new 17 monitor flashes up a dialog to say refresh out of range, 25hz or words to that effect. Tony ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Re: TV-out messes up things when TV is plugged in
This is NOT a bug. The ATI Rage128 chipset on the All-In-Wonder 128 Pro video card is actually locked into a refresh rate of 60 Hz at 800X600 resolution when TV is enabled. The card itself cannot produce two different refresh rates at the same time to satisfy both your monitor and the TV signal. However, the Xserver's default of dropping out of X when NO SCREENS FOUND error occurs doesn't allow just the TV or monitor display to work independantly. If you want both you ARE going to have to get a PNP monitor from a respectible brand company that will support 800X600 resolution at 60Hz and then set X up appropriately to run at that resolution and refresh rate on your display. Hope this helped. Kevin88 - Original Message - From: Tony Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 3:51 AM Subject: Re: [XFree86] Re: TV-out messes up things when TV is plugged in On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 22:53, Mike A. Harris wrote: On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Alexei Podtelezhnikov wrote: This is a cool bug! I have ATI AiW 128 Pro 16 Mb card with TV-out. This is a Page 128 Pro PF chip, I belive. I get no output on display when I start xfree86 with TV plugged in. Everything works without TV. Let's be fair, switching to virtual console works and I can do work there, so it's not a complete freeze or crush - just no signal in graphics mode with TV in. Let's be fair once more, Windows 98 also behaves funny. Plugging in TV halves the refresh rate or something. Sort of, the card splits the signal into two outputs, to TV and to the monitor, but at least I get the signal. TV requires 800x600 at 60 Hz signal; without TV I get 120 Hz on the monitor at the same resolution. Mike, as far as Red Hat 8.0.94 goes, anaconda fails to recognize the card properly when the TV is plugged in. I recognizes it as Rage 128, instead of Rage 128 Pro. Then, graphical installation doesn't work, etc. Without TV everything works like a magic. Hmm. That is weird because our autodetection tools are keyed of PCI ID. Every PCI ID has one driver assigned to it only, and when that ID is detected, the driver name is looked up in pcitable, and then the driver selection looked up in the Cards database. I can't imagine why you would see Rage 128 one time and Rage 128 Pro another time. Doesn't make much sense to me. One thing though, is that the name is just cosmetic anyway. Any Rage 128 anything chip, get's ultimately assigned to the r128 driver, so you can manually pick any random Rage128 chip instead of using autodetection, and you'll end up with a possibly misnamed card name in your config file, but with an otherwise identical configuration. Your problem is indeed interesting though. Could you put logs and configs somewhere to have a peek at. The logs might show some clues. Thanks, TTYL I had exactly the same problem except I didn't tie the two things together, tv plugged in and lose of x. My previous old monitor showed a screen but it was really distorted like the the refresh rate had gone haywire. My new 17 monitor flashes up a dialog to say refresh out of range, 25hz or words to that effect. Tony ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Re: TV-out messes up things when TV is plugged in
On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 10:16, Kevin B. Payne wrote: This is NOT a bug. The ATI Rage128 chipset on the All-In-Wonder 128 Pro video card is actually locked into a refresh rate of 60 Hz at 800X600 resolution when TV is enabled. The card itself cannot produce two different refresh rates at the same time to satisfy both your monitor and the TV signal. However, the Xserver's default of dropping out of X when NO SCREENS FOUND error occurs doesn't allow just the TV or monitor display to work independantly. If you want both you ARE going to have to get a PNP monitor from a respectible brand company that will support 800X600 resolution at 60Hz and then set X up appropriately to run at that resolution and refresh rate on your display. In the UK this is 50hz. But my monitor is set (in linux) for 50 to 70hz. If I set my res to 800x600 I don't get a picture on the monitor (Or any output from the tv) How do I set linux to output 50hz to the monitor? Thanks, Tony ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Re: TV-out messes up things when TV is plugged in
Well, the set X to output different refresh rates you could just edit /etc/X11/XF86Config file by hand and change the value for VertRefresh under the section Monitor to 50... Always write down your current settings before making any changes and DO NOT make this change unless you know how to reset this setting from terminal mode... If you have a true PNP monitor then at this setting you should at least get a viewable picture and then you can fine tune the picture on the monitor itself. Kevin88 - Original Message - From: Tony Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [XFree86] Re: TV-out messes up things when TV is plugged in On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 10:16, Kevin B. Payne wrote: This is NOT a bug. The ATI Rage128 chipset on the All-In-Wonder 128 Pro video card is actually locked into a refresh rate of 60 Hz at 800X600 resolution when TV is enabled. The card itself cannot produce two different refresh rates at the same time to satisfy both your monitor and the TV signal. However, the Xserver's default of dropping out of X when NO SCREENS FOUND error occurs doesn't allow just the TV or monitor display to work independantly. If you want both you ARE going to have to get a PNP monitor from a respectible brand company that will support 800X600 resolution at 60Hz and then set X up appropriately to run at that resolution and refresh rate on your display. In the UK this is 50hz. But my monitor is set (in linux) for 50 to 70hz. If I set my res to 800x600 I don't get a picture on the monitor (Or any output from the tv) How do I set linux to output 50hz to the monitor? Thanks, Tony ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Re: TV-out messes up things when TV is plugged in
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Tony Wright wrote: In the UK this is 50hz. But my monitor is set (in linux) for 50 to 70hz. If I set my res to 800x600 I don't get a picture on the monitor (Or any output from the tv) How do I set linux to output 50hz to the monitor? Just a thought -- maybe you have to ask for an interlaced 800x600 mode? -Peter Of course, I'm not unbiased, but in my humble opinion, I've gotten close to something that I can be really proud of. -- Knuth on The Art of Computer Programming. ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Re: TV-out messes up things when TV is plugged in
On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 10:44, Kevin B. Payne wrote: Well, the set X to output different refresh rates you could just edit /etc/X11/XF86Config file by hand and change the value for VertRefresh under the section Monitor to 50... Always write down your current settings before making any changes and DO NOT make this change unless you know how to reset this setting from terminal mode... If you have a true PNP monitor then at this setting you should at least get a viewable picture and then you can fine tune the picture on the monitor itself. I tried editing XF86Config (to 50hz) but I just got a message that it could not find a valid screen (Changed it back and it is back to normal). What I can't understand is how come the windows driver works fine? the output from the computer is 50hz and shows on the monitor OK. (at 800x600) so I should be able to set linux to 50hz 800x600 and get a picture but the driver seems to want to change to 25hz? Tony ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
[XFree86] Re: TV-out messes up things when TV is plugged in
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Alexei Podtelezhnikov wrote: This is a cool bug! I have ATI AiW 128 Pro 16 Mb card with TV-out. This is a Page 128 Pro PF chip, I belive. I get no output on display when I start xfree86 with TV plugged in. Everything works without TV. Let's be fair, switching to virtual console works and I can do work there, so it's not a complete freeze or crush - just no signal in graphics mode with TV in. Let's be fair once more, Windows 98 also behaves funny. Plugging in TV halves the refresh rate or something. Sort of, the card splits the signal into two outputs, to TV and to the monitor, but at least I get the signal. TV requires 800x600 at 60 Hz signal; without TV I get 120 Hz on the monitor at the same resolution. Mike, as far as Red Hat 8.0.94 goes, anaconda fails to recognize the card properly when the TV is plugged in. I recognizes it as Rage 128, instead of Rage 128 Pro. Then, graphical installation doesn't work, etc. Without TV everything works like a magic. Hmm. That is weird because our autodetection tools are keyed of PCI ID. Every PCI ID has one driver assigned to it only, and when that ID is detected, the driver name is looked up in pcitable, and then the driver selection looked up in the Cards database. I can't imagine why you would see Rage 128 one time and Rage 128 Pro another time. Doesn't make much sense to me. One thing though, is that the name is just cosmetic anyway. Any Rage 128 anything chip, get's ultimately assigned to the r128 driver, so you can manually pick any random Rage128 chip instead of using autodetection, and you'll end up with a possibly misnamed card name in your config file, but with an otherwise identical configuration. Your problem is indeed interesting though. Could you put logs and configs somewhere to have a peek at. The logs might show some clues. Thanks, TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer - XFree86 maintainer - Red Hat ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
