[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected

2004-05-18 Thread Davide Libenzi
On Wed, 19 May 2004, ck wrote:

 
 ErrCode   = -173
 ErrString = Mail loop detected
 Message S19D blocked by mail loop check !
 SMTP-Error = 554 Message blocked by mail loop check
   
 What does it mean?

Take a look at the Received: header chain in the message.


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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected - Can't seem to find the problem.

2004-05-13 Thread John Kielkopf
Francesco Vertova wrote:

At 12.11 12/05/04 -0500, you wrote:

  

Why Xmail decided to use the A record from the next DNS it was
able to talk with is beyond me.



My dns reports MX information for bioenergy.com as Non-authoritative. It 
seems - I've seen this other times - that in such a case the XMail internal 
resolver fails, so it falls back on A.

Ciao, Francesco

  

Hmmm... Interesting.


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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected - Can't seem to find the problem.

2004-05-12 Thread Davide Libenzi
On Wed, 12 May 2004, John Kielkopf wrote:

 Getting a Mail loop detected on a domain we host on our DNS server, 
 and on our web servers, be do not host the mail (MX record points to 
 customers server).
 
 This only happens on mail being sent from our mail server. The 
 destination domain is not handled by our mail servers (no domain alias, 
 no custom domain, no domain entry, and the DNS records appear to be 
 correct).  This seemed to start after changing to 1.18... I haven't gone 
 back to 1.17 to test though.

Take a look at the slog files. Try a nslookup -recurse -type=mx bioenergy.com 
from the XMail machine. IMO is failing with the MX resolution and is 
picking up the A record, that points to your server.



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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected - Can't seem to find the problem.

2004-05-12 Thread Bill Healy
You have an A record that points back to yourself
bioenergy.com.  3580IN  A   207.67.28.220

Don't know why xmail is giving preference to the A record when an MX
record exists. Interesting
bioenergy.com.  3529IN  MX  10 64.122.83.163.

Bill


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Getting a Mail loop detected on a domain we host on our DNS server, 
and on our web servers, be do not host the mail (MX record points to 
customers server).

This only happens on mail being sent from our mail server. The 
destination domain is not handled by our mail servers (no domain alias, 
no custom domain, no domain entry, and the DNS records appear to be 
correct).  This seemed to start after changing to 1.18... I haven't gone 
back to 1.17 to test though.

-John

(rejection message below: users modified to ):

[00] XMail bounce: [EMAIL PROTECTED];Error=[Mail loop detected]


[01] Error sending message [1083538241496.2332.ns1] from
[smtp1.mnwebhost.net].

ID:S1306D9
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Rcpt To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]


[02] The reason of the delivery failure was:

Mail loop detected


[04] Here is listed the message log file:

[PeekTime] 1083538122 : Sun, 2 May 2004 17:48:42 -0500

ErrCode   = -173
ErrString = Mail loop detected
Message S1306D9 blocked by mail loop check !
SMTP-Error = 554 Message blocked by mail loop check






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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected - Can't seem to find the problem.

2004-05-12 Thread Davide Libenzi
On Wed, 12 May 2004, Bill Healy wrote:

 You have an A record that points back to yourself
 bioenergy.com.  3580IN  A   207.67.28.220
 
 Don't know why xmail is giving preference to the A record when an MX
 record exists. Interesting
 bioenergy.com.  3529IN  MX  10 64.122.83.163.

The A record lookup is the backup solution if the MX cannot be found.



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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected - Can't seem to find the problem.

2004-05-12 Thread Bill Healy
Understood, but why didn't xmail find the MX record? Sounds like it's
not an intermittent problem and the dns server is right there near the
xmail server I'm guessing.

Bill

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Subject:   [xmail] Re: Mail loop detected - Can't seem to find the problem.

On Wed, 12 May 2004, Bill Healy wrote:

 You have an A record that points back to yourself
 bioenergy.com.  3580IN  A   207.67.28.220
 
 Don't know why xmail is giving preference to the A record when an MX
 record exists. Interesting
 bioenergy.com.  3529IN  MX  10 64.122.83.163.

The A record lookup is the backup solution if the MX cannot be found.



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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected - Can't seem to find the problem.

2004-05-12 Thread John Kielkopf
Davide Libenzi wrote:

On Wed, 12 May 2004, Bill Healy wrote:

  

You have an A record that points back to yourself
bioenergy.com.  3580IN  A   207.67.28.220

Don't know why xmail is giving preference to the A record when an MX
record exists. Interesting
bioenergy.com.  3529IN  MX  10 64.122.83.163.



The A record lookup is the backup solution if the MX cannot be found.



- Davide

  


Turns out one of the DNS server that mail server uses wasn't responding 
at all.  Why Xmail decided to use the A record from the next DNS it was 
able to talk with is beyond me.

-John


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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected - Can't seem to find the problem.

2004-05-12 Thread Francesco Vertova
At 12.11 12/05/04 -0500, you wrote:

Why Xmail decided to use the A record from the next DNS it was
able to talk with is beyond me.

My dns reports MX information for bioenergy.com as Non-authoritative. It 
seems - I've seen this other times - that in such a case the XMail internal 
resolver fails, so it falls back on A.

Ciao, Francesco

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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected?

2004-04-28 Thread Davide Libenzi
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Stephen Wilson wrote:

 RaveRod wrote:
  Is there any way to de-loop these messages? Would you have to 
  remove the
  messages Received: headers manually and then resubmit the message?
 
 I have not received any more loops. I think Mr. Libenzi fixed this 
 problem quite quickly and concisely. Thank you very much Mr. Libenzi!

Pls don't use Mr.Libenzi, I feel like you'd be talking to my father :)



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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected?

2004-04-28 Thread Stephen Wilson
Davide Libenzi wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Stephen Wilson wrote:

  

RaveRod wrote:


Is there any way to de-loop these messages? Would you have to 
remove the
messages Received: headers manually and then resubmit the message?
  

I have not received any more loops. I think Mr. Libenzi fixed this 
problem quite quickly and concisely. Thank you very much Mr. Libenzi!



Pls don't use Mr.Libenzi, I feel like you'd be talking to my father :)



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Will do Davide.


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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected?

2004-04-27 Thread Liron Newman
Yeah, happened here too.. Only 4 though. So it's not only you...

RaveRod wrote:

5 emails I just received (from the XMail Discussion group) are in a Mail
loop.
 

This may seems a stupid question but how do I fix this?



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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected?

2004-04-27 Thread Fred

I received 1 email detected as loop too. I think the problem is with
ecartis.

Fred

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Subject: [xmail] Mail loop detected?

5 emails I just received (from the XMail Discussion group) are in a Mail
loop.
 

This may seems a stupid question but how do I fix this?



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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected?

2004-04-27 Thread Goesta Smekal
On [Tue, 27.04. 23:20], RaveRod wrote:
 5 emails I just received (from the XMail Discussion group) are in a Mail
 loop.
  
 
 This may seems a stupid question but how do I fix this?
YOU can't fix it. Since the loop was built by someone else. It seems we all get
those :-P 

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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected?

2004-04-27 Thread Francesco Vertova
At 23.20 27/04/04 +, you wrote:
5 emails I just received (from the XMail Discussion group) are in a Mail
loop.

This may seems a stupid question but how do I fix this?

Someone with a screwed up MS SMTPSVC mailserver is re-injecting old 
messages into the list. The original messages were posted between April 13 
and April 14. Some go through, some are detected as mail loops (depending 
on the number of Received: headers). Look at the date of the original messages.

Just wait for Davide to unsubscribe this guy (or unsubscribe yourself, if 
you really can't live with this for a while).

Ciao, Francesco

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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected?

2004-04-27 Thread RaveRod
Well, I received you and Liron's messages fine. Seems strange.

At least now I know it's not my mailserver.

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Behalf Of Fred
Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2004 1:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [xmail] Re: Mail loop detected?


I received 1 email detected as loop too. I think the problem is with
ecartis.

Fred

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Behalf Of RaveRod
Sent: 27 avril, 2004 19:21
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Subject: [xmail] Mail loop detected?

5 emails I just received (from the XMail Discussion group) are in a Mail
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This may seems a stupid question but how do I fix this?



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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected?

2004-04-27 Thread RaveRod
Yeah I noticed those to. So these messages are as good as junk?

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Behalf Of Francesco Vertova
Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2004 1:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [xmail] Re: Mail loop detected?

At 23.20 27/04/04 +, you wrote:
5 emails I just received (from the XMail Discussion group) are in a Mail
loop.

This may seems a stupid question but how do I fix this?

Someone with a screwed up MS SMTPSVC mailserver is re-injecting old 
messages into the list. The original messages were posted between April 13 
and April 14. Some go through, some are detected as mail loops (depending 
on the number of Received: headers). Look at the date of the original
messages.

Just wait for Davide to unsubscribe this guy (or unsubscribe yourself, if 
you really can't live with this for a while).

Ciao, Francesco

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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected?

2004-04-27 Thread Francesco Vertova
At 23.43 27/04/04 +, you wrote:
Yeah I noticed those to. So these messages are as good as junk?

Yep. Unless you want to keep them to write an ad hoc filter ...

Someone with a screwed up MS SMTPSVC mailserver is re-injecting old
messages into the list. The original messages were posted between April 13
and April 14. Some go through, some are detected as mail loops (depending
on the number of Received: headers).

Ciao, Francesco

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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected?

2004-04-27 Thread Benny
Just for clarity, how would this happen?  I thought a mailloop would 
only effect that mailserver???  Confused...

Ben

RaveRod wrote:

Yeah I noticed those to. So these messages are as good as junk?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Francesco Vertova
Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2004 1:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [xmail] Re: Mail loop detected?

At 23.20 27/04/04 +, you wrote:
  

5 emails I just received (from the XMail Discussion group) are in a Mail
loop.

This may seems a stupid question but how do I fix this?



Someone with a screwed up MS SMTPSVC mailserver is re-injecting old 
messages into the list. The original messages were posted between April 13 
and April 14. Some go through, some are detected as mail loops (depending 
on the number of Received: headers). Look at the date of the original
messages.

Just wait for Davide to unsubscribe this guy (or unsubscribe yourself, if 
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Ciao, Francesco

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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected?

2004-04-27 Thread Davide Libenzi
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Liron Newman wrote:

 Yeah, happened here too.. Only 4 though. So it's not only you...

This was the genius that re-injected messages (I received about 200 
bounces for mail loops):

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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected?

2004-04-27 Thread Francesco Vertova
At 09.11 27/04/04 -0500, you wrote:
Just for clarity, how would this happen?  I thought a mailloop would
only effect that mailserver???  Confused...

XMail defines a mail loop as a message with more than (by default 16) 
Received: headers. It counts these headers and does not try to detect if a 
message is really going back and forth. The (good) assumption is that, if 
there are too many Received: then something is wrong somewhere, whether a 
loop or not (and a loop will always generate too many Received: sooner or 
later ...).

Now, suppose Ecartis adds, say, 9 Received: headers. If a message is 
re-injected, it gets another 9 Received: headers prepended to it, so that 
XMail sees too many Received: and declares a mail loop. The actual number 
of Received: headers may vary, so a re-injected msg may get through on a 
system and be declared a mail loop on another. Anyway, the 'loop' is the 
sheer number of Received: which in this case depends on re-injection rather 
than a 'loop' proper. But the above assumption is still good :-)

Ciao, Francesco

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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected?

2004-04-27 Thread Benny
Hey, thanks for the info Francesco!

Ben

Francesco Vertova wrote:

At 09.11 27/04/04 -0500, you wrote:
  

Just for clarity, how would this happen?  I thought a mailloop would
only effect that mailserver???  Confused...



XMail defines a mail loop as a message with more than (by default 16) 
Received: headers. It counts these headers and does not try to detect if a 
message is really going back and forth. The (good) assumption is that, if 
there are too many Received: then something is wrong somewhere, whether a 
loop or not (and a loop will always generate too many Received: sooner or 
later ...).

Now, suppose Ecartis adds, say, 9 Received: headers. If a message is 
re-injected, it gets another 9 Received: headers prepended to it, so that 
XMail sees too many Received: and declares a mail loop. The actual number 
of Received: headers may vary, so a re-injected msg may get through on a 
system and be declared a mail loop on another. Anyway, the 'loop' is the 
sheer number of Received: which in this case depends on re-injection rather 
than a 'loop' proper. But the above assumption is still good :-)

Ciao, Francesco

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[xmail] Re: Mail loop detected on backup MX

2003-01-27 Thread Louis Solomon [SteelBytes]

  an email that was sent to my backup MX generated a Mail loop detected
  error on the backup MX.
  ...
  so, have I just setup my backup MX wrong ? (I thought this is how it was
  supposted to be setup according to a recent post on this list)

 You should use an smtprelay instead of an smtp

thanks.
so that post on the 2/jan/03 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] was wrong.

Louis Solomon
www.SteelBytes.com


- Original Message -
From: Davide Libenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: XMail mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 12:49 PM
Subject: [xmail] Re: Mail loop detected on backup MX



 On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Louis Solomon [SteelBytes] wrote:

 
  an email that was sent to my backup MX generated a Mail loop detected
  error on the backup MX.
 
  here's the setup (using v1.11 on win2000) ...
 
  DNS MX records:
  domain1.com - 10:alias.domain1.com, 20:alias.domain2.com
  domain1.com xmail settings:
  domain - domain1.com
  domain alias - alias.domain1.com
  domain2.com xmail settings:
  custdomain - domain1.com.tab: SMTPnewline,
alias.domain1.com.tab:
  SMTPnewline
  (plus settings pertaining to domain2.com, but they should not be
  relevant, but for those who are interested, they are almost the same as
for
  domain1.com).
 
  I tested this by telneting to domain1.com:25 and domain2.com:25 and
sending
  a message by hand (which got through both times ok).
  so I thought my backup MX was all ok.
 
  but for a short amount of time on the weekend, domain1.com was offline,
and
  an email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  now, here is what I think happened 
 
  remote server does
  MX lookup for domain1.com - gets 10:alias.domain1.com,
  20:alias.domain2.com
  attempts to connect to domain1.com:25 - fails
  attempts to connect to domain2.com:25 - succeeds
  domain2.com does
  check local domains and domain aliases - no match
  check custdomain - finds command SMTP for domain1.com
  MX lookup for domain1.com - gets 10:alias.domain1.com,
  20:alias.domain2.com
  attempts to connect to domain1.com:25 - fails
  attempts to connect to domain2.com:25 - succeeds
  domain2.com does the same sequence of steps repeatedly until loop
detected.
  (each time prepending a bit to the header)
 
  so, have I just setup my backup MX wrong ? (I thought this is how it was
  supposted to be setup according to a recent post on this list)

 You should use an smtprelay instead of an smtp


 - Davide

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