Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
Op 12-01-10 21:39, allcoms schreef: >> With digital monitors you are almost always guaranteed to have an EDID >> (IIRC, DVI and HDMI require it) which should prevent you from needing >> to tweak the modeline as the EDID contains the supported modelines >> from the monitor. >> >> Alex >> > > I have a Mini 10 netbook with poulsbo gfx / HDMI out which runs jaunty > with the psb driver. I've only tried it on 2 different HDMI displays > but the display didn't fit on either- I couldn't see my full desktop. > Does this mean the psb driver is non-EDID aware? For the info, I've got a mini10 as well (with latest Mandriva). I've got no problem with the psb driver and HDMI. All the screens I've tried (3 or 4) always worked. You can check the EDID reported with "xrandr --verbose". The only problems encountered is that the default maximum framebuffer size is too small, and there are some artifacts with XV if screens are positioned horizontally. So you either have to make sure you plug the HDMI before starting X, or force the framebuffer size like I do in xorg.conf: Section "Screen" : Subsection "Display" Depth 24 Virtual 1920 1848 EndSubsection Also, the screens need to be positioned vertically if you want to use XV (eg: watch a movie). Eric ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
> Sounds like you have an unlucky display. Even without an EDID, your > TV will likely work with the standard HTDV timing modelines (it should > for devices like cable boxes and DVD/BD players). Also note that some > tv's automatically overscan HDMI for some reason, you may have to > adjust the TV itself to remove that. > > Alex I have seen this on most LCD TV's. Samsung has two settings in their picture size menu, the regular "16x9" setting will overscan, but the other setting called "just scan" will NOT overscan. I'm using "just scan" with my satellite box that output 720p over HDMI. /Markus ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:39 PM, allcoms wrote: >> With digital monitors you are almost always guaranteed to have an EDID >> (IIRC, DVI and HDMI require it) which should prevent you from needing >> to tweak the modeline as the EDID contains the supported modelines >> from the monitor. >> >> Alex >> > > I have a Mini 10 netbook with poulsbo gfx / HDMI out which runs jaunty > with the psb driver. I've only tried it on 2 different HDMI displays > but the display didn't fit on either- I couldn't see my full desktop. > Does this mean the psb driver is non-EDID aware? > > Poulsbo may be a bad example as its drivers don't have a great rep, so > lets take my Dads Ion netbook as an example. I installed the binary, > 185.x NV drivers under Karmic on it and tried it with 2 different > displays and yet again the display did not fit on the screen. > Searching the web I found many reports of others having the same > problem- does this mean NV's binary Linux drivers are also non-EDID > aware? > > With the same netbook (a HP/Compaq Mini 311) running XP and the latest > NV Ion drivers I had exactly the same problem on both (different) > displays I tried it on in that the desktop didn't fit the display > properly but at least under Windows the NV config tool does have a > tool for resizing and moving HDTV displays which meant I was able to > set it up properly under Windows. Does this mean Nvidia's Windows > driver doesn't detect EDID properly either or am I just really unlucky > with my displays? With both Windows and Linux I've never had a > faultless 'plug and play' experience with HDMI, thus the need for an > updated xvidtune. Sounds like you have an unlucky display. Even without an EDID, your TV will likely work with the standard HTDV timing modelines (it should for devices like cable boxes and DVD/BD players). Also note that some tv's automatically overscan HDMI for some reason, you may have to adjust the TV itself to remove that. Alex ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
> With digital monitors you are almost always guaranteed to have an EDID > (IIRC, DVI and HDMI require it) which should prevent you from needing > to tweak the modeline as the EDID contains the supported modelines > from the monitor. > > Alex > I have a Mini 10 netbook with poulsbo gfx / HDMI out which runs jaunty with the psb driver. I've only tried it on 2 different HDMI displays but the display didn't fit on either- I couldn't see my full desktop. Does this mean the psb driver is non-EDID aware? Poulsbo may be a bad example as its drivers don't have a great rep, so lets take my Dads Ion netbook as an example. I installed the binary, 185.x NV drivers under Karmic on it and tried it with 2 different displays and yet again the display did not fit on the screen. Searching the web I found many reports of others having the same problem- does this mean NV's binary Linux drivers are also non-EDID aware? With the same netbook (a HP/Compaq Mini 311) running XP and the latest NV Ion drivers I had exactly the same problem on both (different) displays I tried it on in that the desktop didn't fit the display properly but at least under Windows the NV config tool does have a tool for resizing and moving HDTV displays which meant I was able to set it up properly under Windows. Does this mean Nvidia's Windows driver doesn't detect EDID properly either or am I just really unlucky with my displays? With both Windows and Linux I've never had a faultless 'plug and play' experience with HDMI, thus the need for an updated xvidtune. Dan ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:59 PM, allcoms wrote: >> xvidtune doesn't work with xrandr 1.2. It needs to be updated to >> support multiple outputs. >> >> Alex > > Seems we've finally got the the bottom of my original question- thanks > Steve and Alex! > > Does anyone plan on updating xvidtune to work with the latest X/xrandr > and multiple displays? I would presume that if this was underway I > would've had a response before now. > No one is working on it that I know of. > I'm surprised there isn't much more interest in seeing this done on > this list what with HDMI becoming more commonplace by the day- its > fast replacing both SCART and VGA and the display connection standard > for both TVs and computers/consoles and there could soon be millions > of (potential) X users unable to use their displays properly due to > lack of a working xvidtune or similar tool. With digital monitors you are almost always guaranteed to have an EDID (IIRC, DVI and HDMI require it) which should prevent you from needing to tweak the modeline as the EDID contains the supported modelines from the monitor. Alex ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
> xvidtune doesn't work with xrandr 1.2. It needs to be updated to > support multiple outputs. > > Alex Seems we've finally got the the bottom of my original question- thanks Steve and Alex! Does anyone plan on updating xvidtune to work with the latest X/xrandr and multiple displays? I would presume that if this was underway I would've had a response before now. I'm surprised there isn't much more interest in seeing this done on this list what with HDMI becoming more commonplace by the day- its fast replacing both SCART and VGA and the display connection standard for both TVs and computers/consoles and there could soon be millions of (potential) X users unable to use their displays properly due to lack of a working xvidtune or similar tool. Dan ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
Op 12-01-10 17:54, allcoms schreef: > Hi Steve! > > Ah! xvidtune! I'm surprised it took so long for someone to name the > command that I was looking for. Is this what yast's graphics and > display module is using to do what it does? Are you really sure that it's what you were looking for!? Have you ever used xvidtune? Have a look at this screenshot: http://howto-pages.org/ModeLines/xvidtune2.png 10 years ago that was useful to finely tune the signal sent to your VGA monitor and do some fancy optimisations. Today, I see virtually no use. Eric ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:54 AM, allcoms wrote: > Hi Steve! > > Ah! xvidtune! I'm surprised it took so long for someone to name the > command that I was looking for. Is this what yast's graphics and > display module is using to do what it does? > > I'm typing this atm under X.Org X Server 1.7.2, using the RadeonHD > driver with a RHD 4350 connected to a single DVI display under Arch. > When I type 'xvidtune' with no extra parameters in an xterm all I get > is: > > Unable to query monitor info > > Is this a fault of the radeonhd driver, xorg, vidtune or my monitor? > > Also, unless I'm mis-understand things, reading the man page for > xvidtune says nothing of how you would use it to configure additional > displays. Have you simply got to run it on the display you are trying > to configure? As I've already stated, my main need for this is to > configure external HDMI displays- I was looking for my HDMI cable on > the weekend but I suspect my housemates son has half-inched it so > looks like I'll have to get another before I can try testing xvidtune > with my poulsbo. > > Should xvidtune be able to do what I want or will (external) HDMI/DVI > displays confuse it? > xvidtune doesn't work with xrandr 1.2. It needs to be updated to support multiple outputs. Alex > Dan > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Steven J Newbury > wrote: >> On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 18:43 +, allcoms wrote: >>> > Isn't gnome-display-properties sufficient? Which additional features >>> > would you need? >>> >>> No, gnome-display-properties isn't sufficient to my needs as it does >>> neither of the two features I am looking for which are: >>> >>> 1- Visual resizing (as in 'graphically' adjusting the screens outer >>> borders) and >>> >>> 2- Visual positioning (centering) of the full screen >>> >>> gdp is of course just a simple gui to xrandr, which doesn't do what I >>> require. nvidias X setup tool is also lacking such functionality and >>> as I say the only tool I've seen do this under linux is tied into >>> suse's vast yast config monster which is prob hundreds of meg with all >>> its dependencies when all I'd ever want from it is the visual screen >>> setup tool. >>> >> Are you looking for something like a modern version of xvidtune tied >> into xrandr which can tweak monitor timings? >> > ___ > xorg mailing list > xorg@lists.freedesktop.org > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg > ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
Hi Steve! Ah! xvidtune! I'm surprised it took so long for someone to name the command that I was looking for. Is this what yast's graphics and display module is using to do what it does? I'm typing this atm under X.Org X Server 1.7.2, using the RadeonHD driver with a RHD 4350 connected to a single DVI display under Arch. When I type 'xvidtune' with no extra parameters in an xterm all I get is: Unable to query monitor info Is this a fault of the radeonhd driver, xorg, vidtune or my monitor? Also, unless I'm mis-understand things, reading the man page for xvidtune says nothing of how you would use it to configure additional displays. Have you simply got to run it on the display you are trying to configure? As I've already stated, my main need for this is to configure external HDMI displays- I was looking for my HDMI cable on the weekend but I suspect my housemates son has half-inched it so looks like I'll have to get another before I can try testing xvidtune with my poulsbo. Should xvidtune be able to do what I want or will (external) HDMI/DVI displays confuse it? Dan On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Steven J Newbury wrote: > On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 18:43 +, allcoms wrote: >> > Isn't gnome-display-properties sufficient? Which additional features >> > would you need? >> >> No, gnome-display-properties isn't sufficient to my needs as it does >> neither of the two features I am looking for which are: >> >> 1- Visual resizing (as in 'graphically' adjusting the screens outer borders) >> and >> >> 2- Visual positioning (centering) of the full screen >> >> gdp is of course just a simple gui to xrandr, which doesn't do what I >> require. nvidias X setup tool is also lacking such functionality and >> as I say the only tool I've seen do this under linux is tied into >> suse's vast yast config monster which is prob hundreds of meg with all >> its dependencies when all I'd ever want from it is the visual screen >> setup tool. >> > Are you looking for something like a modern version of xvidtune tied > into xrandr which can tweak monitor timings? > ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 18:43 +, allcoms wrote: > > Isn't gnome-display-properties sufficient? Which additional features > > would you need? > > No, gnome-display-properties isn't sufficient to my needs as it does > neither of the two features I am looking for which are: > > 1- Visual resizing (as in 'graphically' adjusting the screens outer borders) > and > > 2- Visual positioning (centering) of the full screen > > gdp is of course just a simple gui to xrandr, which doesn't do what I > require. nvidias X setup tool is also lacking such functionality and > as I say the only tool I've seen do this under linux is tied into > suse's vast yast config monster which is prob hundreds of meg with all > its dependencies when all I'd ever want from it is the visual screen > setup tool. > Are you looking for something like a modern version of xvidtune tied into xrandr which can tweak monitor timings? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
> Isn't gnome-display-properties sufficient? Which additional features > would you need? No, gnome-display-properties isn't sufficient to my needs as it does neither of the two features I am looking for which are: 1- Visual resizing (as in 'graphically' adjusting the screens outer borders) and 2- Visual positioning (centering) of the full screen gdp is of course just a simple gui to xrandr, which doesn't do what I require. nvidias X setup tool is also lacking such functionality and as I say the only tool I've seen do this under linux is tied into suse's vast yast config monster which is prob hundreds of meg with all its dependencies when all I'd ever want from it is the visual screen setup tool. > > Cheers, > Eric > ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
Op 07-01-10 19:00, Didier Spaier schreef: > Éric Piel wrote: >> Op 07-01-10 11:51, allcoms schreef: >>> Hi! >>> >>> I have been looking for a tool for visually resizing and positioning X >>> displays that is distribution neutral. I realise we have xrandr for >>> listing and changing display resolutions and rotations but it doesn't >>> seem to offer the ability to visually resize and position screens, a >>> feature that is sadly missing from the hardware setup menus of many >>> HDMI displays and I've only seen in a software form for X in suse/ >>> yast's "Graphics card and Monitor" configuration module. >>> >>> AFAIK yast is GPL so I was wondering why this code hasn't been >>> borrowed, stripped of its yast/suse dependencies and made into a >>> distribution neutral, standard X config tool? I realise X isn't >>> licensed under GPL but such a tool would be fine for most people until >>> a similar tool was wrote under a MIT license or whatever might be >>> deemed more xorg friendly. >> Isn't gnome-display-properties sufficient? Which additional features >> would you need? >> >> Cheers, >> Eric > > I would prefer a tool not gnome-dependent, as a _Fluxbox_only_ Slackware > user ;) Then, as a starting point you could also use grandr, but it's in pretty bad shape, and doesn't have much "visual" part yet. Or maybe just fix gnome-display-properties so that it can be compiled and executed without much of gnome? Almost all of its core code is pure X calls anyway. Eric ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
Twas brillig at 13:23:00 07.01.2010 UTC-05 when a...@nwnk.net did gyre and gimble: >> > Isn't gnome-display-properties sufficient? Which additional >> > features would you need? >> I would prefer a tool not gnome-dependent, as a _Fluxbox_only_ Slackware >> user ;) AJ> So you don't want to use a toolkit, but you want the features a AJ> toolkit gives you. Life is hard, isn't it. Hey. GNOME is not a toolkit, it's a DE. -- http://fossarchy.blogspot.com/ pgpcmUcBkAzs7.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 19:00 +0100, Didier Spaier wrote: > Éric Piel wrote: > > Isn't gnome-display-properties sufficient? Which additional features > > would you need? > > I would prefer a tool not gnome-dependent, as a _Fluxbox_only_ Slackware user > ;) So you don't want to use a toolkit, but you want the features a toolkit gives you. Life is hard, isn't it. - ajax signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
Éric Piel wrote: > Op 07-01-10 11:51, allcoms schreef: >> Hi! >> >> I have been looking for a tool for visually resizing and positioning X >> displays that is distribution neutral. I realise we have xrandr for >> listing and changing display resolutions and rotations but it doesn't >> seem to offer the ability to visually resize and position screens, a >> feature that is sadly missing from the hardware setup menus of many >> HDMI displays and I've only seen in a software form for X in suse/ >> yast's "Graphics card and Monitor" configuration module. >> >> AFAIK yast is GPL so I was wondering why this code hasn't been >> borrowed, stripped of its yast/suse dependencies and made into a >> distribution neutral, standard X config tool? I realise X isn't >> licensed under GPL but such a tool would be fine for most people until >> a similar tool was wrote under a MIT license or whatever might be >> deemed more xorg friendly. > Isn't gnome-display-properties sufficient? Which additional features > would you need? > > Cheers, > Eric I would prefer a tool not gnome-dependent, as a _Fluxbox_only_ Slackware user ;) Cheers, Didier ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
Op 07-01-10 11:51, allcoms schreef: > Hi! > > I have been looking for a tool for visually resizing and positioning X > displays that is distribution neutral. I realise we have xrandr for > listing and changing display resolutions and rotations but it doesn't > seem to offer the ability to visually resize and position screens, a > feature that is sadly missing from the hardware setup menus of many > HDMI displays and I've only seen in a software form for X in suse/ > yast's "Graphics card and Monitor" configuration module. > > AFAIK yast is GPL so I was wondering why this code hasn't been > borrowed, stripped of its yast/suse dependencies and made into a > distribution neutral, standard X config tool? I realise X isn't > licensed under GPL but such a tool would be fine for most people until > a similar tool was wrote under a MIT license or whatever might be > deemed more xorg friendly. Isn't gnome-display-properties sufficient? Which additional features would you need? Cheers, Eric ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
visual resizing and positioning of displays
Hi! I have been looking for a tool for visually resizing and positioning X displays that is distribution neutral. I realise we have xrandr for listing and changing display resolutions and rotations but it doesn't seem to offer the ability to visually resize and position screens, a feature that is sadly missing from the hardware setup menus of many HDMI displays and I've only seen in a software form for X in suse/ yast's "Graphics card and Monitor" configuration module. AFAIK yast is GPL so I was wondering why this code hasn't been borrowed, stripped of its yast/suse dependencies and made into a distribution neutral, standard X config tool? I realise X isn't licensed under GPL but such a tool would be fine for most people until a similar tool was wrote under a MIT license or whatever might be deemed more xorg friendly. Thanks! Dan ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
