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[Xpert]Re: Xfree86 on SPARC Solaris

[Alan Coopersmith]

>I tried to compile XFree86 on Solaris 8 SPARC from the source but instead of
>familiar XFree86 server I got Xsun that has no Xrender extension or support
>of other hardware then old sun framebuffers.
>My questions are
>
>1. is it even possible to compile XFree86 for Solaris 8 - SPARC ?

Yes, but it doesn't support much in the way of modern Sun high-end frame
buffers. There have been some tips on the Xpert mailing list in the past if 
you search back through the archive.

>2. I know that there is a version for x86, is SPARC so much different and if
>so in what way ?

Mainly in hardware support and the much smaller number of people working with
it and on it.

>3. Would it be possible to port Xrenderer extension to sun's own X server
>since I am interested mainly in this extension.

Not without making changes to Sun's X servers & DDX'es.  RENDER makes too many
changes to simply be loaded in via the Sun extension module loader.

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[Xpert]Problem with XFree86 4.1.0 (ships with RedHat 7.2) & Nvidia Driverswith Dual Head

[Brendan W. McAdams]

If anyone could help me, it would be great.

I'm running RedHat 7.2 with the stock X 4.1, and using the latest Nvidia
Drivers (kernel driver and GLX extension).

My default (pre-dual head) setup is an on motherboard (dell box) Nvidia
Vanta (TNT2-M64) linked to the PCI Bus, with a Dell 19" UltraScan P991.

This works great; I run GDM, Gnome w/ Sawfish (and occasionally E) with
no problems, and have been running this way for awhile.

Due to 'reallocation of equipment' I had my second Linux box removed
from my desk and lost screen real estate; so I grabbed a second video
card and a monitor for my box.

What I ended up getting is the PNY Verto, which is the exact same
chipset as is on my motherboard (NVidia Vanta TNT2-M64).  I've hooked
this up to a Dell 17" E771p monitor.

I set everything up so my 19" runs at 1600x1200 and is my main display,
and my 17" runs at 1280x1024 and is to the left of the main display.

What happens when I start X is the nvidia logo thingy (that flashes for
about a second with the NVidia GLX stuff loaded) shows, then I go to the
nice flat checkered "No applications loaded" x screen.  My mouse moves,
etc.  
On the second display, the nvidia logo comes up and just hangs; at this
point one can ssh into the box, but a CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE won't kill the
X, and kill -9 on x does nothing.  The only real solution at this point
is to reboot the box.

I'm running X with the proper +xinerama command; the Process list shows:
root  1053  1.9 18.7 206116 47932 ?  R13:42   0:33
/etc/X11/X :0 +xinerama

The output from the XFree86 log on a crashed attempt is attached, as is
my X Configs (working [singlehead] and broken [dualhead]).

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

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# XFree86 4.0 configuration generated by Xconfigurator

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "XFree86 Configured"
Screen "Screen 1"
Screen "Screen 2" LeftOf "Screen 1"
Option  "xinerama" "on"
InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

# By default, Red Hat Linux 6.0 and later use xfs

Section "Files"
FontPath "unix/:7100"
EndSection

# Module loading section

Section "Module"
Load  "dbe" # Double-buffering
#Load  "GLcore" # OpenGL support
#Load  "dri"# Direct rendering infrastructure
Load  "glx" # OpenGL X protocol interface
Load  "extmod"  # Misc. required extensions
Load  "v4l" # Video4Linux
# Load  "pex5"  # PHIGS for X 3D environment (obsolete)
# Load  "record"# X event recorder
# Load  "xie"   # X Image Extension (obsolete)
# You only need the following two modules if you do not use xfs.
# Load  "freetype"   # TrueType font handler
# Load  "type1" # Adobe Type 1 font handler
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver  "keyboard"
Option  "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Mouse0"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Device" "/dev/mouse"
Option  "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
Option  "Emulate3Buttons" "off"
Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Dell P991"
VendorName "Unknown"
ModelName  "Unknown"
HorizSync 30.0-95.0
VertRefresh 50.0-160.0
Option "dpms"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "DELL E771p"
VendorName "Unknown"
ModelName  "Unknown"
HorizSync 30 - 70
VertRefresh 50 - 160
Option "dpms"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "mobo-vanta"
Driver "nvidia"
BoardName "Unknown"
BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "pny-vanta"
Driver "nvidia"
BoardName "Unknown"
BusID  "PCI:2:9:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen 1"
Device "mobo-vanta"
Monitor "Dell P991"
DefaultDepth 24
Subsection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1600x1200"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen 2"
Device "pny-vanta"
Monitor "DELL E771p"
DefaultDepth 24
Subsection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1024x768"
EndSubSection
EndSection



# XFree86 4.0 configuration generated by Xconfigurator

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "XFree86 Configured"
Screen "Screen 1"
#Screen "Screen 2" LeftOf

[Xpert]Xfree86 on SPARC Solaris

[Ondrej Florian]

Hi all,
I tried to compile XFree86 on Solaris 8 SPARC from the source but instead of
familiar XFree86 server I got Xsun that has no Xrender extension or support
of other hardware then old sun framebuffers.
My questions are

1. is it even possible to compile XFree86 for Solaris 8 - SPARC ?
2. I know that there is a version for x86, is SPARC so much different and if
so in what way ?
3. Would it be possible to port Xrenderer extension to sun's own X server
since I am interested mainly in this extension.

Thank you,
Ondrej


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[Xpert]4.2.0 + G200 + 2.4.17 crash

[Johnny Andersson]

Hi everyone. This is my first post to the list, hope my next subject can be a 
happier one...

I recently installed 4.2.0 on top of my old 4.1.0 installation. X doesn't 
start now, it crashes with a signal 11 before displaying anything. This is 
true for both binaries compiled by me, and binaries downloaded from 
xfree86.org.

The system in question is a Duron 900 (unaffected by the recently discovered 
page-size-bug because the kernel is compiled for i386), kernel 2.4.17 with 
pre-emptive patch, Matrox G200 video card.

The very same system worked very well with 4.1.0. What can I do to find what 
is wrong?

My log-file can be found at www.johnnys.info/XFree86.0.log


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Re: [Xpert]CyberBlade XPAi1 support status

[Alan Hourihane]

On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 06:13:42PM +0100, Francesco Salvestrini wrote:
> Hi to all,
> i've recently bought a Toshiba laptop. This laptop has a CyberBlade 
> XPAi1 card.
> 
> I'd like to know the support status of this card by the latest CVS 
> version (i got a 4.1.99 snapshot 7) before start to recompile X (this is 
> my first attempt to recompile the tree and i wouldn't break my current 
> installation (that is a 4.0.3)).
> 
Download the precompiled XFree86 4.2.0 release.

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[Xpert]CyberBlade XPAi1 support status

[Francesco Salvestrini]

Hi to all,
i've recently bought a Toshiba laptop. This laptop has a CyberBlade 
XPAi1 card.

I'd like to know the support status of this card by the latest CVS 
version (i got a 4.1.99 snapshot 7) before start to recompile X (this is 
my first attempt to recompile the tree and i wouldn't break my current 
installation (that is a 4.0.3)).

Thank you,
Francesco Salvestrini.

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Re: [Xpert]Emulating binary interface?

[Michel Dänzer]

On Die, 2002-01-22 at 11:59, Markus Schaber wrote:

> Thomas Steffen wrote:
> 
> > > Thank you for this information, so it seems we can't go this way. (I
> > > currently consider it impossible to port the whole XFree86 to our
> > > operating system, as we don't have anything in common with unix like
> > > OSes (and one can consider e. G. OS/2 unix like compared to plurix).
> > 
> > You might want to have a look at the Linux kernel framebuffer support.
> > AFAIK the drivers are rather simple, and "down there" it is not very
> > UNIX like either. If you use vesafb, for example, you should be able
> > to use nearly every graphics card with only one driver (assuming you
> > have a PC style BIOS). 
> 
> We already have working native drivers for VGA, some S3 chips, Vesa
> 1.2/2.0 linear framebuffer and some Radeon chips.
> 
> As we have a rather slim API, it is not much work to develop a basic
> driver.
> 
> Our problem is that we would like to make use of the acceleration and of
> some 3D functions (using a subset of opengl), and for this we need
> documentation.

It's a long term goal of the DRI project to make at least some parts of
the infrastructure as independent as possible from a specific OS or
windowing system. Maybe you could help improve towards that goal and
benefit of the infrastructure? DRI development is discussed on
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[Xpert]RE: [Xpert]No i830 Support in 4.2.0? It was being worked on in the CVS. Wa s it not finnished in time for the release?

[Michael Krzenski]

I’ve read in the i830 driver documents of
the cvs that it is possible to adjust the amount of shared memory that you use.

 

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To: Alan Hourihane
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Subject: Re: [Xpert]No i830
Support in 4.2.0? It was being worked on in the CVS. Wa s it not finnished in
time for the release?

 

Dell is THE problem with the 1024K of "stolen
memory"... 

le mar 22-01-2002
à 17:41, Alan Hourihane a écrit : 

Yes. It's included. What's the actual problem ? Alan.___Xpert mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[Xpert]RE: [Xpert]No i830 Support in 4.2.0? It was being worked on in the CVS. Wa s it not finnished in time for the release?

[Michael Krzenski]

I remember reading through the driver
documentation in the cvs and it said that you can specify the amount of shared
memory you want to use…

 

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Subject: Re: [Xpert]No i830
Support in 4.2.0? It was being worked on in the CVS. Wa s it not finnished in
time for the release?

 

Dell is THE problem with the 1024K of "stolen
memory"... 

le mar 22-01-2002
à 17:41, Alan Hourihane a écrit : 

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RE: [Xpert]No i830 Support in 4.2.0? It was being worked on in the CVS. Wa s it not finnished in time for the release?

[Michael Krzenski]

Title: RE: [Xpert]No i830 Support in 4.2.0?   It was being worked on in the CVS. Wa s it not finnished in time for the release?






I just jumped the gun... I read the drivers supported and the highest listed was the 815 (included in the 810 driver).
But when I checked the updates list it said that 830 support was added. Somebody should update the 810 driver description. ;)

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Yes. It's included.


What's the actual problem ?


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RE: [Xpert]The Frame Buffer

[Michael Krzenski]

Title: RE: [Xpert]The Frame Buffer






Bleh!
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On Die, 2002-01-22 at 11:55, cdy wrote: 


>   Under the XFree86 4.1.0, 
>    How can the XFres86 server to use the frame buffer?


Just use the fbdev driver.



PS: The term is 'framebuffer device'. ;)


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Re: [Xpert]No i830 Support in 4.2.0? It was being worked on inthe CVS. Wa s it not finnished in time for the release?

[Xavier RICHEVAUX]

Dell is THE problem with the 1024K of "stolen memory"...



le mar 22-01-2002 à 17:41, Alan Hourihane a écrit :

Yes. It's included.

What's the actual problem ?

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Re: [Xpert]The Frame Buffer

[Michel Dänzer]

On Die, 2002-01-22 at 11:55, cdy wrote: 

>   Under the XFree86 4.1.0, 
>How can the XFres86 server to use the frame buffer?

Just use the fbdev driver.


PS: The term is 'framebuffer device'. ;)

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Re: [Xpert]No i830 Support in 4.2.0? It was being worked on in the CVS. Wa s it not finnished in time for the release?

[Alan Hourihane]

Yes. It's included.

What's the actual problem ?

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[Xpert]No i830 Support in 4.2.0? It was being worked on in the CVS. Was it not finnished in time for the release?

[Michael Krzenski]

Re: [Xpert]ATI Impact TV with Ragde128

[David Chow]

On Sun, 2002-01-20 at 12:31, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
> 
> 
> On 19 Jan 2002, David Chow wrote:
> 
> > Dear all,
> > 
> > Hi, I am a mainboard vendor and have a Rage128 onboard display chip on
> > my board. We also have an ImpactTV chip, ATI does not support our driver
> > development on XFree86 4.1 , since Rage128 only have a single channel
> > design, that means inorder to use TV-out with ImpactTV, we must have the
> > primary display refresh rate frequency set to the TV acceptable value.
> > 
> > Does anyone success in using the Impact TV with ATI Rage128 on XFree86
> > 4.1? Or what is the support status at the moment?
> 
> There is some experimental code at http://gatos.sf.net/ that enables
> TV-out for Rage128 and Radeon chips using video BIOS (int10). It is
> possible to write some C code for that - but noone had time to do it yet..
> 
>  Vladimir Dergachev

We have to do it since we have to include the Impact TV chip on our
boards. We promise to do that, just need more support from the list.

regards,

David
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> > 
> > Thanks,
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> > David Chow
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Re: [Xpert]Matrox G450 X server crashes

[Rene Rebe]

Hi.

From: Nate Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Xpert]Matrox G450 X server crashes
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:36:50 -0500

> Specifically, it affects kernels compiled with pentium optimizations
> running on Athlon/Durons.  if this affects you, you can fix it temporarily
> by appending 'mem=nopentium' to your append string in lilo.conf (if you 
> use lilo, of course)

The bug didn't got confirmed by the kernel hackers, yet. Using this
option may only change the timings - and so make the crash only less
likely. But there is still a discussion whether there is s.th. to fix
in Linux or not. - It might be your power-supply wich simply doens't
perform that well ...

I had no crashes using a g450 with XFree-4.1 or 4.2 on my
Athlon-600/Irongate or AthlonXP-1700+/SiS735 ... even in dual-head and
xinerama. (But I do not run such a death-patched Gentoo kernel ...)

> > > The release notes from RedHat for 7.1 specifically state that
> > > dual-head operation for the G450 is not supported. Is there anything
> > > special required to prevent these crashes? Has XFree86 4.1 dealt
> > > with this problem?
> 
> I definitely use the G450 with DH under 4.1, among many many other people,
> so yes I'd say so.

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[Xpert]vesa driver

[lee]

I have a s3 805 chip on a 486 w/1mg ram
So far all the x configs I have tried end up freezing
the monitor, keyboard, mouse then I startx,and
I have to manually turn the pc off.
The FreebSD naturally complains a lot at reboot.

I heard I should try the VESA driver. I've seen no
mention of this anywhere in x86config or XF86Setup or
in the X86Config file I've been looking at.

How do I implement the VESA driver?

Thanks.
If this doen't work I'll get an isa video card
and use that.

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Re: [Xpert]Matrox G450 X server crashes

[Nate Smith]

On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 03:27:23PM +0100, Thomas Steffen wrote:
> Well, I would advise you to get a recent kernel and XFree86 4.2. There
> is a good chance that it will solve your problems. 

The kernel shouldn't matter much unless he's wanting to use DRI/DRM, 
right?  (Not that I don't agree about upgrading his kernel)

> There is a known bug in Athlon/Duron processors to be fixed in kernel
> 2.4.18, which may or may not affect you.

Specifically, it affects kernels compiled with pentium optimizations
running on Athlon/Durons.  if this affects you, you can fix it temporarily
by appending 'mem=nopentium' to your append string in lilo.conf (if you 
use lilo, of course)

> > The release notes from RedHat for 7.1 specifically state that
> > dual-head operation for the G450 is not supported. Is there anything
> > special required to prevent these crashes? Has XFree86 4.1 dealt
> > with this problem?

I definitely use the G450 with DH under 4.1, among many many other people,
so yes I'd say so.

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Re: [Xpert]Matrox G450 X server crashes

[Thomas Steffen]

(sorry for the broken mail...)

Jeff Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> We are running RedHat7.1 (2.4.2-2) with XFree86 4.0.3-5 and the
> XFree86 driver for the GF450.

Well, I would advise you to get a recent kernel and XFree86 4.2. There
is a good chance that it will solve your problems. 

There is a known bug in Athlon/Duron processors to be fixed in kernel
2.4.18, which may or may not affect you.

> The release notes from RedHat for 7.1 specifically state that
> dual-head operation for the G450 is not supported. Is there anything
> special required to prevent these crashes? Has XFree86 4.1 dealt
> with this problem?

Most likely yes. (Though I don't have a DH.)

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[Xpert]Matrox G450 X server crashes

[Jeff Parker]

Sorry for the lack of info in the frist query.

We are running RedHat7.1 (2.4.2-2) with XFree86 4.0.3-5 and the XFree86
driver for the GF450.  We have seen occasional X server crashes only on
systems with dual monitors.

The release notes from RedHat for 7.1 specifically state that dual-head
operation for the G450 is not supported.  Is there anything special
required to prevent these crashes?  Has XFree86 4.1 dealt with this
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Re: [Xpert]X configuration problems (fwd)

[Joseph Haig]

Just for the record, I compiled XFree 4.2 and the problem I asked about
(see below) has gone away.  Thank you to Mark for your help, and to the
developers for the new version.

Bye,

Joe

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Joseph Haig wrote:

> I have just compiled XFree86 4.1.  It compiled well and XFree86 -configure
> seems to have picked up the correct settings but it has some problems
> drawing parts of the windows.  Specifically, a line at the top about 8 or
> 9 pixels deep and the entire width of the screen seems to get drawn at
> random places on the screen.  Any idea what could be wrong?
> 
> I have only recently subscribed to this list.  If this is the wrong list
> for this question please tell me where I should post it.
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: [Xpert]Matrox G450

[Nate Smith]

What version of Xfree86 are you using?  What distribution?  Which mga
driver, the one provided by Matrox or the Xfree86 version?

I know many people (including myself) with no problems with 2 (and 3, and
4) monitors using G450's. (for 2 of the heads, of course) with all Xfree86
greater than version 4.0, though the matrox driver (beta 1.3.3 and 1.4.3)
lock my whole machine, hard.

nate

On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 07:18:26AM -0500, Jeff Parker wrote:
> 
> Are there any fixes for the Matrox G450 when using dual monitors?  We've
> had it working but still experience X server crashes.
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[Xpert]Matrox G450

[Jeff Parker]

Are there any fixes for the Matrox G450 when using dual monitors?  We've
had it working but still experience X server crashes.
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Re: [Xpert]Emulating binary interface?

[Vladimir Dergachev]

On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Markus Schaber wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Thomas Steffen wrote:
> 
> > > Thank you for this information, so it seems we can't go this way. (I
> > > currently consider it impossible to port the whole XFree86 to our
> > > operating system, as we don't have anything in common with unix like
> > > OSes (and one can consider e. G. OS/2 unix like compared to plurix).
> > 
> > You might want to have a look at the Linux kernel framebuffer support.
> > AFAIK the drivers are rather simple, and "down there" it is not very
> > UNIX like either. If you use vesafb, for example, you should be able
> > to use nearly every graphics card with only one driver (assuming you
> > have a PC style BIOS). 
> 
> We already have working native drivers for VGA, some S3 chips, Vesa
> 1.2/2.0 linear framebuffer and some Radeon chips.
> 
> As we have a rather slim API, it is not much work to develop a basic
> driver.
> 
> Our problem is that we would like to make use of the acceleration and of
> some 3D functions (using a subset of opengl), and for this we need
> documentation. And as you know, the chipset vendors (especially NVidia
> and ATI) don't like to give any useful documentation to others.
> 
> One of our programmers got some Radeon docs by signing about a dozen
> NDAs, but the doc and the example code differed in what they did (and
> both methods failed to initialize the chip), and the precompiled
> examples just didn't work (sudden reboots, freezing the machine,
> displaying crap etc.). He managed to get 2D and 3D acceleration
> nevertheless, but he failed to initialize the T&L engine. And his code
> magically fails on newer revisions of the same Radeon chips. ATI didn't
> even bother to deny his questions, they just moved them to /dev/null...

Same here - with video input as well. After a while I got persuaded they
aren't doing it on purpose it is simply their Windows drivers get the
priority but the chipset is not as well documented as it could be (or
should be).

Despite what Mark says they might be a way out.. I agree that emulating
the entire ABI is not feasible. Furthermore, it might change on
you.. However what you could do is just take chunks of the drivers and
adapt them to your code. This is certainly much easier than writing
one from scratch - and they don't require that much of X
functionality.

  Vladimir Dergachev

> 
> So this kind of "support" made us thinking about including drivers of
> other operating systems using some glue code.
> 
> Markus
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Re: [Xpert]Emulating binary interface?

[Markus Schaber]

Hi,

Thomas Steffen wrote:

> > Thank you for this information, so it seems we can't go this way. (I
> > currently consider it impossible to port the whole XFree86 to our
> > operating system, as we don't have anything in common with unix like
> > OSes (and one can consider e. G. OS/2 unix like compared to plurix).
> 
> You might want to have a look at the Linux kernel framebuffer support.
> AFAIK the drivers are rather simple, and "down there" it is not very
> UNIX like either. If you use vesafb, for example, you should be able
> to use nearly every graphics card with only one driver (assuming you
> have a PC style BIOS). 

We already have working native drivers for VGA, some S3 chips, Vesa
1.2/2.0 linear framebuffer and some Radeon chips.

As we have a rather slim API, it is not much work to develop a basic
driver.

Our problem is that we would like to make use of the acceleration and of
some 3D functions (using a subset of opengl), and for this we need
documentation. And as you know, the chipset vendors (especially NVidia
and ATI) don't like to give any useful documentation to others.

One of our programmers got some Radeon docs by signing about a dozen
NDAs, but the doc and the example code differed in what they did (and
both methods failed to initialize the chip), and the precompiled
examples just didn't work (sudden reboots, freezing the machine,
displaying crap etc.). He managed to get 2D and 3D acceleration
nevertheless, but he failed to initialize the T&L engine. And his code
magically fails on newer revisions of the same Radeon chips. ATI didn't
even bother to deny his questions, they just moved them to /dev/null...

So this kind of "support" made us thinking about including drivers of
other operating systems using some glue code.

Markus

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[Xpert]4.2.0 problem (timeout messages)

[Rob van Swol]

Hi,

I try to run XFree 4.2.0 on a a Toshiba laptop (480 cdt, kernel 2.4.17,
RH7.1); I use the same XF86Config config file that I use with 4.1.0. X
will start but updating of the screen gives problems sometimes (e.g.
scrolling only partly updates a window, showing only the  background in
the other part). In /var/log/XFree86.0.log I get timeout messages, but
these are not very informative. Any suggestions?

Regards
Rob


XFree86 Version 4.2.0 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600)
Release Date: 18 January 2002
If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is
newer than the above date, look for a newer version before
reporting problems.  (See http://www.XFree86.Org/)
Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.9-13smp i686 [ELF] 
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
 (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
 (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Tue Jan 22 09:44:47 2002
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config"
(==) ServerLayout "XFree86 Configured"
(**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "Monitor0"
(**) |   |-->Device "Card0"
(**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0"
(**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0"
(**) Option "Protocol" "Standard"
(**) Option "XkbLayout" "gb"
(**) XKB: layout: "gb"
(==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled
(**) |-->Input Device "Mouse1"
(**) FontPath set to
"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/,/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1/,/usr/local/truetype"
(**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
(**) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"
(--) using VT number 7

(II) Open APM successful
(II) Module ABI versions:
XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.1
XFree86 Video Driver: 0.5
XFree86 XInput driver : 0.3
XFree86 Server Extension : 0.1
XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.3
(II) Loader running on linux
(II) LoadModule: "bitmap"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a
(II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer
ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.3
(II) Loading font Bitmap
(II) LoadModule: "pcidata"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a
(II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 0.1.0
ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5
(II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1
(II) PCI: Config type is 1
(II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x8000103c, mode1Res1 = 0x8000
(II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex)
(II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 1179,0601 card 1179,0001 rev 2c class 06,00,00
hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:02:0: chip 1179,060a card 4000, rev 07 class 06,07,00
hdr 82
(II) PCI: 00:02:1: chip 1179,060a card 4800, rev 07 class 06,07,00
hdr 82
(II) PCI: 00:04:0: chip 102c,00e5 card 1179,0001 rev c6 class 03,00,00
hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:0b:0: chip 1033,0035 card 1179,0001 rev 02 class 0c,03,10
hdr 00
(II) PCI: End of PCI scan
(II) LoadModule: "scanpci"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a
(II) Module scanpci: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 0.1.0
ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5
(II) UnloadModule: "scanpci"
(II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a
(II) Host-to-PCI bridge:
(II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (-1,0,0), BCTRL: 0x08 (VGA_EN is set)
(II) Bus 0 I/O range:
[0] -1  0x - 0x (0x1) IX[B]
(II) Bus 0 non-prefetchable memory range:
[0] -1  0x - 0x (0x0) MX[B]
(II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range:
[0] -1  0x - 0x (0x0) MX[B]
(--) PCI:*(0:4:0) C&T 6 rev 198, Mem @ 0xfd00/24
(II) Addressable bus resource ranges are
[0] -1  0x - 0x (0x0) MX[B]
[1] -1  0x - 0x (0x1) IX[B]
(II) OS-reported resource ranges:
[0] -1  0xffe0 - 0x (0x20) MX[B](B)
[1] -1  0x0010 - 0x3fff (0x3ff0) MX[B]E(B)
[2] -1  0x000f - 0x000f (0x1) MX[B]
[3] -1  0x000c - 0x000e (0x3) MX[B]
[4] -1  0x - 0x0009 (0xa) MX[B]
[5] -1  0x - 0x (0x1) IX[B]
[6] -1  0x - 0x00ff (0x100) IX[B]
(II) Active PCI resource ranges:
[0] -1  0xfcfff000 - 0xfcff (0x1000) MX[B]
[1] -1  0xfd00 - 0xfdff (0x100) MX[B](B)
(II) Active PCI resource ranges after removing overlaps:
[0] -1  0xfcfff000 - 0xfcff (0x1000) MX[B]
[1] -1  0xfd00 - 0xfdff (

[Xpert]video driver development

[jerome . rebourgm]

Hello,

 I'm working on a video driver, but the component I want to drive is
directely connected to the external microprocessor's bus.
So I'd like to know if there is a helper function similar to xf86ConfigPCIEntity
for a neither PCI nor ISA device?

thanks,
J. REBOURG


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Re: [Xpert]Ati Rage Mobility and X 4.1 won't resume from suspend

[Frank Steiner]

OS wrote:
> 
> > > Have you tried 4.x without the chvt hack? X supports APM directly now.
> >
> > Thanks! That's it! I just shut the apmd down and suspended, and it came
> 
> Could you explain exactly how to do this ! I have an ATI Rage Mobility
> chipset, and a C&T 65550 chipset, and have the same problem. I would love to
> know how to fix it but I am not too bright !!!  :-)
 
I think it depends very much on your distribution, because the config file
for the apmd is not always the same. First of all, shutting down the apmd
completely works for testing. This can be done by "/etc/init.d/apmd stop".
If you have an old SuSE version, it can also be /sbin/init.d/apmd or maybe
also /etc/rc.d/apmd.
If that works but you need the apmd for something else (ejecting pcmcia
or stopping sound), search for the apmd config file. On SuSE systems,
this is /etc/rc.config.d/apmd.rc.config. You should be able to figure
it out by listing all files in the apmd package. I don't know how to
do this on debian, but on an rpm-based system to "rpm -ql apmd" and
look for a filename that could be the config file. In this file, you
should find an option like "LEAVE_X_BEFORE_SUSPEND". Setting this to
"no" solves the problem on my system. 
If you have a RedHat system, this posting might also interest you
(the link on the dell site has changed, but searching for "linux and apm"
on the main page will bring you there):

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=apm+X+4+ati+suspend+group:*linux*&hl=en&scoring=r&selm=95up13%245cl3%40news1.lmtas.lmco.com&rnum=1

cu,
Frank
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Re: [Xpert]Error while running latest version of XFree86

[Thomas Steffen]

Dharmendra Siddaiah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I downloaded the latest binaries for Xfree86 4.2 and am getting some
> unresolved error when I run XFree86 -configure.

I would assume that you didn't install it correctly. It looks like
you are trying to load a module of a different version. Which version
is you X-server (XFree86 -version), what is your ModulePath, and which
version is /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.o?

> Do I have to recompile anything else to get this working?

You need a new server binary and new binary modules
(/usr/X11R6/lib/modules). You don't necessarily have to upgrade the
client side (libx and X11-clients).

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Re: [Xpert]Radeon Mobility and 4.2

[Thomas Steffen]

Prabhakar Reddy Gudla Venkata Siva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I am able to get the full features of Radeon Mobility driver - 1024x768x16
> @AGP 4X + DRI enabled. But with a small catch: When i directly boot the
> system at init 5 (i am using RH 7.2) the screen dislay fuzzy things and
> the system hangs (remote connection is the possible though). However, when
> i boot at init 3 and then run startx it works fine.

Check the options given to xinit (used by startx) and xdm or kdm (used
by init 5). There may be subtle differences, for example in color
depth. 

Is there anything else different at runlevel 3? Maybe SVGATextMode or
framebuffer or gpm?  

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Re: [Xpert]Emulating binary interface?

[Thomas Steffen]

Markus Schaber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Thank you for this information, so it seems we can't go this way. (I
> currently consider it impossible to port the whole XFree86 to our
> operating system, as we don't have anything in common with unix like
> OSes (and one can consider e. G. OS/2 unix like compared to plurix).

You might want to have a look at the Linux kernel framebuffer support.
AFAIK the drivers are rather simple, and "down there" it is not very
UNIX like either. If you use vesafb, for example, you should be able
to use nearly every graphics card with only one driver (assuming you
have a PC style BIOS). 

Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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