Re: [xubuntu-users] Dell 5520

[Subhadip Ghosh]

Hi David,

Probably you have already bought the laptop. So my reply might not be of 
any real help to you. I bought a Dell Inspiron laptop that came with 
Ubuntu 14.04 preinstalled. I upgraded it to Ubuntu 16.04 and then I 
switched to Xubuntu 16.04. I never had any problem with the wifi. I 
rarely use the bluetooth but it seems to work with both Ubuntu and 
Xubuntu. The brightness control works. Pretty much everything seems to 
work perfectly. And the best part is that the laptop feels snappier with 
Xubuntu on it.


Thanks,
Subhadip

On Saturday 06 May 2017 05:56 PM, David Snyderman wrote:

I'm thinking of picking up a Dell 5520, preinstalled with U-16.04.

Does anyone have any experience with Dells? Any issues upgrading to 
newer releases? What about using Xubuntu on it?


Also, any issues installing over? I like to have an encrypted drive-- 
I think that will require a reinstall. Wondering if there are any sage 
words of advice?


The decision came down to the Dell, a ThinkPad T470, or a System76 
Gazelle. While I really like my current System76 Galago, the Gazelle 
is heavier by a fair amount. The problem with the ThinkPad is that it 
doesn't come preinstalled (which leaves me concerned about support) 
and I can't get it with the drive configuration I want (SSD for OS and 
2 TB HD for data etc.). But I'm willing to hear suggestions...

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David

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[xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[Joao Monteiro]

Hi,

Newbie to Linux, so please cut me some slack - but by all means Do joke and
have a laugh, humour IS important.

I don't even know if I will be able to get back to this list to read
anything or post anything else, I really don't. But I want to say this for
whatever it may be worth to anyone working on the Xubuntu Xfce...
give up and experiment with
THANK YOU for all your hard work and PLEASE don't ever let this version of
Linux die away.

I have for the last 3 years been trying various flavours and versions of
Linux to move away from Windows, which has been exaspering me no end for
the most varied reasons. Not being a computer geek, it have been a long 3
years of frustartion, disappointment and at times exasperation... but
somewhere deep in myself I knew Linux was what I wanted and above else
NEEDED... so I stuck to my guns and kept the myriad of steady advices from
various communities to not give up and keep experimenting with different
versions until I finf one that feels right for me.

I got a first hope with Linux Mate, which i will always respect and love
for throwing me into the right track - for my personal ways of course.

I finally got it with Xubuntu Xfce. Hell, I don't even know if this is the
correct definition/name/whatever of the version. I only know that I'm head
over heels with it and can't let go of it.

Basically, I found a Xubuntu Xfce (desktop) version available for download
for 32 and 64 bit machines; downloaded both, installed the 32 bit on an old
Asus eeepc 1000H which had Windows XP. Worked so well that I didn't think
twice and installed the 64 bit version on an equally old Samsung R20 laptop
(notorious apparently for being a piece of crap acording to geeks who know
about these things), wiping out the damn Windows 7 altogether without any
hesitation.

The Samsung R20 laptop might be the piecve of crap that many call it, but
for your information it is running all the windows applications that I need
(their equivalents in Linux world in some cases) without a glitch and much,
much faster than my Toshiba core i7 with Windows 7.

I play movies, play my music selections while working on other applications
at same time (pdf's, excel, word, cad drawing, emails, you name it) and the
dang old Samsung has turned out to surprise me as a hell of a most
reliable, fast, efficient and unexpectedly wonderful, blissful breath of
much welcome and desperately needed fresh air.

I AM WORKING now. Not drinking cup after cup of coffee or chain smoking
ciggy after ciggy waiting for a massive drive backup or a long file list to
finish copying and saving. I get memory sticks with God knows what crap
people setup in there and can't even be recognized by Windows connected to
the laptop, fire up gparted - or sometimes just go command line with gpart
- and I recover the whole data in them and reformat them for them to become
again usable by WINDOWS (hahaha what a slap on the face to microsoft)
systems.

Gentlemen, ladies, folks in general... I'm just a PC user like millions
world wide, not a computer geek... but xubuntu Xfce made my move away from
Microsoft windows a REALITY.

I struggle with money like most and I am busy to my eyeballs with work
(both for a living as well as private research - energy related) so i don't
have a clue how could I possibly give any contribution to this community
and project. hence, this long babbling just to say THANK YOU to all of you
who made this Linux version a reality and are keeping it going. Make no
mistakes, everybody at work can't help it to ask me what a hell am I
running on my laptop and I DO take the time to tell them, to show them what
i have on this little old dated machine that just puts their fancy core
i5's and core i7's running windows to shame. And some who know me and know
my moral and ethical integrity have been asking me to install xubuntu xfce
on their PC's and laptops side by side with Windows - which i do, AFTER
they try the xubuntu xfce from a live USB stick (with persistence to allow
them to save files in it) first, to see if they like it and feel
comfortable with it.

Yes, a long and boring post to most of you, I know... but you are all
"Linuxers" by defult. I'm just a disgruntled, disgusted and exasperated
Windows breed who finally, after 3 years of no mean exasperations trying
countless versions of Linux, finally found a Linux that WORKS AS IT SAYS IN
THE TIN (and consistently accross a PC and various different laptop
models), in a way that is familiar and easy to transition to from the
cursed microsoft tyranny (my opinion of course).

I can't thank you all enough, as well as to the excellent "10 things to do
first when installing xubuntu xfce" website/guide.

Perhaps someone who has nothing to contribute doesn't exactly have the
right to ask for this, but for the sake of the countless Windows users who
- like myself - are desperate to find a steady, reliable, efficient
alternative, please... keep up your work and don't let it die away. More
people

Re: [xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[Peter Flynn]

On 13/05/17 20:22, Joao Monteiro wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Newbie to Linux, 

Welcome aboard.

> so please cut me some slack - but by all means do joke and have a
> laugh, humour IS important.

Very. Fortunately there is more of it in Linux than in Windows :-)

> I don't even know if I will be able to get back to this list to read 
> anything or post anything else, I really don't.

I have taken the unusual step of CCing your address.

> THANK YOU for all your hard work and PLEASE don't ever let this
> version of Linux die away.

Amen.

> I have for the last 3 years been trying various flavours and versions
> of Linux to move away from Windows, which has been exasperating me no
> end for the most varied reasons.

I made a similar move many years ago, and I am always collecting
evidence, even anecdotal, about other people's moves in this direction.

> Not being a computer geek, it has been a long
> 3 years of frustration, disappointment and at times exasperation... 

I had some of that too, but I would be very interested to know the list
of systems you investigated — not in detail, but with some indication of
*why* you gave them up and tried something else. Probably not here,
though: use my own address.

> I finally got it with Xubuntu Xfce. Hell, I don't even know if this
> is the correct definition/name/whatever of the version. I only know
> that I'm head over heels with it and can't let go of it.

Delighted to hear it.

> Basically, I found a Xubuntu Xfce (desktop) version available for
> download for 32 and 64 bit machines; downloaded both, installed the 32
> bit on an old Asus eeepc 1000H which had Windows XP. Worked so well 

I have heard that this works — I was surprised because I have used more
recent Asus machines and they're basically rubbish.

> that
> I didn't think twice and installed the 64 bit version on an equally old
> Samsung R20 laptop 

It's a measure of my own ignorance that I didn't even know Samsung made
laptops.

> I struggle with money like most and I am busy to my eyeballs with work
> (both for a living as well as private research - energy related) so i
> don't have a clue how could I possibly give any contribution to this
> community and project. 

You just did. Thank you.

> [...] finally found a Linux that WORKS AS IT SAYS
> IN THE TIN (and consistently across a PC and various different laptop
> models), in a way that is familiar and easy to transition to 

Largely, yes. I can still break it, though, but not in the general
course of usage.

Happy computing!
///Peter

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[chris]

On 14/05/17 07:25, Peter Flynn wrote:

On 13/05/17 20:22, Joao Monteiro wrote:

Hi,




Delighted to hear it.


Basically, I found a Xubuntu Xfce (desktop) version available for
download for 32 and 64 bit machines; downloaded both, installed the 32
bit on an old Asus eeepc 1000H which had Windows XP. Worked so well


I have heard that this works — I was surprised because I have used more
recent Asus machines and they're basically rubbish.


Interested in your reasons why you say this?
I have used an Asus g73s for several years, with a dedicated Nvidia 
graphics card and it is still going strong.   Have changed the hard 
drive to a Samsung 850 solid state drive, and with the i7 processor it 
is staggeringly fast.
I also have a high end clevis motherboard machine which is a gaming 
system, but found I prefer the Asus.

go figure
Regards CT

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[xubuntu-users] [off-topic] Operating systems - Was: Exceedingly Grateful

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 13 May 2017 22:25:53 +0100, Peter Flynn wrote:
>On 13/05/17 20:22, Joao Monteiro wrote:  
>> I have for the last 3 years been trying various flavours and versions
>> of Linux to move away from Windows, which has been exasperating me no
>> end for the most varied reasons.
>
>I made a similar move many years ago, and I am always collecting
>evidence, even anecdotal, about other people's moves in this
>direction.  

Hi,

I was a super-geek using/programming the C64, then migrated to the Atari
ST with a hardware 80286 emulator, so apart from TOS I run DR DOS and
after that migrated to Linux. I'm not a coder anymore, but still a power
user, so my preferred distro is Arch Linux, but I still have got an
Ubuntu install based on a minimal Ubuntu install, so the starting point
was even without X. Actually I dropped Xubuntu and migrated to openbox
(just a window manager, without a desktop environment). However, IMO
Xubunutu as well as Ubuntu-Mate are the two best Ubuntu flavours for
those who just want to use the computer without becoming an expert. For
this target group I discourage to use any other distro or any other
Ubuntu flavour.

I used FreeBSD for awhile, too. It's superb for some usage, but since
I'm a musician Linux is the better choice for me. For real-time nice
power users, as well as for inexperienced computer users Linux is
definitively the better choice, than FreeBSD. OTOH FreeBSD has got it's
advantages for some computer usages, too.

>> Not being a computer geek, it has been a long
>> 3 years of frustration, disappointment and at times
>> exasperation... 
>
>I had some of that too, but I would be very interested to know the list
>of systems you investigated — not in detail, but with some indication
>of *why* you gave them up and tried something else. Probably not here,
>though: use my own address.  

Why not being that positive off-topic to the list ;)?

Well, I've got too much disappointments using Linux, but I never ever
considered to migrate to another OS for my PC, since Linux still is the
best choice to customize the operating system. For my tablet PC I prefer
iOS, this is related to the fact, that I need real-time abilities, that
unfortunately aren't supported well enough by other tablet PC operating
systems.

>I have taken the unusual step of CCing your address.  

Seemingly you didn't Cc ;). Just in case the link to Peter's reply
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2017-May/010011.html .

Résumé

Using Linux comes with a lot of pitfalls, since hardware vendors often
don't support Linux, but in the end, live is much easier using Linux,
especially when using desktop environments, such as Xfce or Mate, that
try to archive a constant work-flow. For power users and coders Linux
provides much more advantages.

2 Cents,
Ralf


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Re: [xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[Peter Flynn]

On 13/05/17 23:12, chris wrote:
> On 14/05/17 07:25, Peter Flynn wrote:
>> On 13/05/17 20:22, Joao Monteiro wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
> 
>> Delighted to hear it.
>>
>>> Basically, I found a Xubuntu Xfce (desktop) version available for
>>> download for 32 and 64 bit machines; downloaded both, installed the 32
>>> bit on an old Asus eeepc 1000H which had Windows XP. Worked so well
>>
>> I have heard that this works — I was surprised because I have used more
>> recent Asus machines and they're basically rubbish.
>>
> Interested in your reasons why you say this?

I see a lot of students coming into my office with laptop problems and
there seem to be more Asus machines than any other. The most common
problems are sticking or broken keys, random battery drain, sudden
screen blanking, and hard disk noise. But maybe I am doing them an
injustice: I have not used one myself.

///Peter


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Re: [xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[Roger]

On May 13, 2017 7:20:41 PM EDT, Peter Flynn  wrote:
>On 13/05/17 23:12, chris wrote:
>> On 14/05/17 07:25, Peter Flynn wrote:
>>> On 13/05/17 20:22, Joao Monteiro wrote:
 Hi,

>> 
>>> Delighted to hear it.
>>>
 Basically, I found a Xubuntu Xfce (desktop) version available for
 download for 32 and 64 bit machines; downloaded both, installed the
>32
 bit on an old Asus eeepc 1000H which had Windows XP. Worked so well
>>>
>>> I have heard that this works — I was surprised because I have used
>more
>>> recent Asus machines and they're basically rubbish.
>>>
>> Interested in your reasons why you say this?
>
>I see a lot of students coming into my office with laptop problems and
>there seem to be more Asus machines than any other. The most common
>problems are sticking or broken keys, random battery drain, sudden
>screen blanking, and hard disk noise. But maybe I am doing them an
>injustice: I have not used one myself.
>
>///Peter
>
>
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Re: ASUS and Xubuntu:

I installed Xubuntu on two variants of their old "netbooks" with no problems. 
They worked great even tho they maxed-out at 2 GB of ram. I even managed to 
dual boot as well as replace the HD with an SSD in the second one, which took a 
bit of prying and screwing around.

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[xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[Joao Monteiro]

Hi again folks,

Thank you for your replies and understanding, appreciated.

Not sure this will be the right place for this reply, but it is on topic
(of gratefulness and history on how I got here). So please feel free to
move it to wherever it may be appropriate and let me know so that I don’t
pester anybody unecessarily again lol…

Peter, I had my first contact with Linux actually over 15 years ago, but
only in the last 3 did I start to probe into it on a regular basis and
fidling with it more seriously. (BTW, I'm Ccing you here as well to se if I
do it right)

My very first runs were with Red Hat Linux and then Suse Linux after that.
Bought the Red Hat Bible book in my local bookstore and used the
installation disk it brought. The very first thing that was instantly
noticeable was that I would require an awful lot of in-depth computing
knowledge to get it all right – loads of command line tuning for it all to
work fairly well.

Same with Suse Linux; bought a box set of 5 CD’s and acompanying manual.
Same problems as with Red Hat.

I am from the days of ZX Spectrum connected to the tele and a tape recorder
to load the programs and then moved onto PC with DOS. No windows then, just
the command prompt, so had a good experience using it. But Linux is Unix
like and Unix has by far an awful lot more of commands, different syntax,
structure, etc.

So, about 3 years ago I started to seriously delve into Linux, as I got an
Asus eeepc 1000H off a colleague at work for peanuts. It paid off.

Tried Debian, Red Hat again, Suse, Fedora and finally Ubuntu. All versions
of linux after Ubuntu have all been Ubuntu derivatives in one way or
another. Last year, after much reading, tried Mint and then Mate. Have to
say that Mate was indeed the one that prevented me from finally giving up.
It worked very well on the eeepc but still with glitches here and there –
the main one was a constant pop up notification saying that something had
stopped working and when I looke into it it was the Marco (desktop
wallpaper background?). Nothing major, in all honesty, but somehow it still
didn’t feel quite right. Funny thing is, I can’t really say what or why it
didn’t feel quite right. Perhaps it was the ongoing arguing between some
involved in its development/upkeeping about technicalities, like placing
this or that in this menu or that, or using unity or not, I don’t now…
something didn’t feel quite right for me. But it definitely gave me hope
and encouraged me to not give up. For that I will always keep it at hand
with gratitude.

A few weeks ago, whilst trying to find some answers for some drivers issues
for it, I kept coming across references to xubuntu and to the xfce desktop.
So, digged into xubuntu info and found the 32 and 64 bit ISOs for a
bootable USB stick. Gave it a try and the rest is history.

It was like it had been written for the eeepc. Everything worked straight
away without a single glitch. Mind you, Mate did work exceedingly well as
well, but sometimes it would hang up if I had more than 3 applications open
or if I tried to copy files with one application while another one was
downloading something at the same time… stuff like that. And I didn’t know
of any means to kill the hanging application(s) or doing a soft reset, so
had to end up pushing the power button for a hard reset.

With xubuntu xfce dsktop I even have a “Ctrl+Alt+Backspace” option for an
emergency soft reset if need be, which I implemented by following the “10
things to do after installing xubuntu xfce”.

Just today, prior to making my first post here, my screen started to
display flickering running lines while I was playing some songs and typing
a spreadsheet; went online, searched for flickering screen in xubuntu xfce,
found a cristal clear instruction to use the command line to open, edit and
save a file with launchpad, reboot the machine and voila… flickering’s gone.

I think that the crux of the matter to me boils down to the same that
probably affects the majority of Windows users: help. OK, seasoned Linuxers
may rightfully argue – as I have seen – that we (Windows victims) are lazy
and want everything served ready made. But they need to understand that it
is not as much laziness per se, as it is a consequence of Windows habbit
and an extremely fast paced, hectic working life these days – at least here
in London, UK.

To Caeser what is of Caeser: Linus Torvalds gave the world the undeniable
marvel that it is Linux. But Bill Gates, for all his faults, gave the world
what the common citizen needs to USE a computer… a cursor on a GUI and a
mouse to point and click to make things work.

This is what Linuxers need to understand… the common user doesn’t have any
computing experience and rarely knows the difference between a bite and a
baud. We want to switch on the machine, throw a cd or dvd into the drive,
and then point and click on Yes, No, Maybe, Later, to install the operating
system. Then we want to read on the screen “Done, reboot your computer”

Re: [xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[Leigh S]

João,



Estou cem percento contigo!



sorry about my English accent :)



Brasileiro ou da Europa?



Xubuntu is exactly what I want.

So long I spent in the wastelands of MS :(



I don't care about the details, just happy that these guys make the effort

Cheers to you all!



Leigh



 On Sun, 14 May 2017 02:59:32 +0100 Joao Monteiro 
 wrote 




Hi again folks, 



Thank you for your replies and understanding, appreciated.



Not sure this will be the right place for this reply, but it is on topic (of 
gratefulness and history on how I got here). So please feel free to move it to 
wherever it may be appropriate and let me know so that I don’t pester anybody 
unecessarily again lol…



Peter, I had my first contact with Linux actually over 15 years ago, but only 
in the last 3 did I start to probe into it on a regular basis and fidling with 
it more seriously. (BTW, I'm Ccing you here as well to se if I do it right)



My very first runs were with Red Hat Linux and then Suse Linux after that. 
Bought the Red Hat Bible book in my local bookstore and used the installation 
disk it brought. The very first thing that was instantly noticeable was that I 
would require an awful lot of in-depth computing knowledge to get it all right 
– loads of command line tuning for it all to work fairly well.



Same with Suse Linux; bought a box set of 5 CD’s and acompanying manual. Same 
problems as with Red Hat.



I am from the days of ZX Spectrum connected to the tele and a tape recorder to 
load the programs and then moved onto PC with DOS. No windows then, just the 
command prompt, so had a good experience using it. But Linux is Unix like and 
Unix has by far an awful lot more of commands, different syntax, structure, etc.



So, about 3 years ago I started to seriously delve into Linux, as I got an Asus 
eeepc 1000H off a colleague at work for peanuts. It paid off.



Tried Debian, Red Hat again, Suse, Fedora and finally Ubuntu. All versions of 
linux after Ubuntu have all been Ubuntu derivatives in one way or another. Last 
year, after much reading, tried Mint and then Mate. Have to say that Mate was 
indeed the one that prevented me from finally giving up. It worked very well on 
the eeepc but still with glitches here and there – the main one was a constant 
pop up notification saying that something had stopped working and when I looke 
into it it was the Marco (desktop wallpaper background?). Nothing major, in all 
honesty, but somehow it still didn’t feel quite right. Funny thing is, I can’t 
really say what or why it didn’t feel quite right. Perhaps it was the ongoing 
arguing between some involved in its development/upkeeping about 
technicalities, like placing this or that in this menu or that, or using unity 
or not, I don’t now… something didn’t feel quite right for me. But it 
definitely gave me hope and encouraged me to not give up. For that I will 
always keep it at hand with gratitude.



A few weeks ago, whilst trying to find some answers for some drivers issues for 
it, I kept coming across references to xubuntu and to the xfce desktop. So, 
digged into xubuntu info and found the 32 and 64 bit ISOs for a bootable USB 
stick. Gave it a try and the rest is history.



It was like it had been written for the eeepc. Everything worked straight away 
without a single glitch. Mind you, Mate did work exceedingly well as well, but 
sometimes it would hang up if I had more than 3 applications open or if I tried 
to copy files with one application while another one was downloading something 
at the same time… stuff like that. And I didn’t know of any means to kill the 
hanging application(s) or doing a soft reset, so had to end up pushing the 
power button for a hard reset.



With xubuntu xfce dsktop I even have a “Ctrl+Alt+Backspace” option for an 
emergency soft reset if need be, which I implemented by following the “10 
things to do after installing xubuntu xfce”.

Just today, prior to making my first post here, my screen started to display 
flickering running lines while I was playing some songs and typing a 
spreadsheet; went online, searched for flickering screen in xubuntu xfce, found 
a cristal clear instruction to use the command line to open, edit and save a 
file with launchpad, reboot the machine and voila… flickering’s gone.



I think that the crux of the matter to me boils down to the same that probably 
affects the majority of Windows users: help. OK, seasoned Linuxers may 
rightfully argue – as I have seen – that we (Windows victims) are lazy and want 
everything served ready made. But they need to understand that it is not as 
much laziness per se, as it is a consequence of Windows habbit and an extremely 
fast paced, hectic working life these days – at least here in London, UK.



To Caeser what is of Caeser: Linus Torvalds gave the world the undeniable 
marvel that it is Linux. But Bill Gates, for all his faults, gave the world 
what the common citizen needs

Re: [xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[chris]

On 14/05/17 11:59, Joao Monteiro wrote:

Hi again folks,

Thank you for your replies and understanding, appreciated.

Not sure this will be the right place for this reply, but it is on topic
(of gratefulness and history on how I got here). So please feel free to
move it to wherever it may be appropriate and let me know so that I
don’t pester anybody unecessarily again lol…

Peter, I had my first contact with Linux actually over 15 years ago, but
only in the last 3 did I start to probe into it on a regular basis and
fidling with it more seriously. (BTW, I'm Ccing you here as well to se
if I do it right)

My very first runs were with Red Hat Linux and then Suse Linux after
that. Bought the Red Hat Bible book in my local bookstore and used the
installation disk it brought. The very first thing that was instantly
noticeable was that I would require an awful lot of in-depth computing
knowledge to get it all right – loads of command line tuning for it all
to work fairly well.

Same with Suse Linux; bought a box set of 5 CD’s and acompanying manual.
Same problems as with Red Hat.

I am from the days of ZX Spectrum connected to the tele and a tape
recorder to load the programs and then moved onto PC with DOS. No
windows then, just the command prompt, so had a good experience using
it. But Linux is Unix like and Unix has by far an awful lot more of
commands, different syntax, structure, etc.

So, about 3 years ago I started to seriously delve into Linux, as I got
an Asus eeepc 1000H off a colleague at work for peanuts. It paid off.

Tried Debian, Red Hat again, Suse, Fedora and finally Ubuntu. All
versions of linux after Ubuntu have all been Ubuntu derivatives in one
way or another. Last year, after much reading, tried Mint and then Mate.
Have to say that Mate was indeed the one that prevented me from finally
giving up. It worked very well on the eeepc but still with glitches here
and there – the main one was a constant pop up notification saying that
something had stopped working and when I looke into it it was the Marco
(desktop wallpaper background?). Nothing major, in all honesty, but
somehow it still didn’t feel quite right. Funny thing is, I can’t really
say what or why it didn’t feel quite right. Perhaps it was the ongoing
arguing between some involved in its development/upkeeping about
technicalities, like placing this or that in this menu or that, or using
unity or not, I don’t now… something didn’t feel quite right for me. But
it definitely gave me hope and encouraged me to not give up. For that I
will always keep it at hand with gratitude.

A few weeks ago, whilst trying to find some answers for some drivers
issues for it, I kept coming across references to xubuntu and to the
xfce desktop. So, digged into xubuntu info and found the 32 and 64 bit
ISOs for a bootable USB stick. Gave it a try and the rest is history.

It was like it had been written for the eeepc. Everything worked
straight away without a single glitch. Mind you, Mate did work
exceedingly well as well, but sometimes it would hang up if I had more
than 3 applications open or if I tried to copy files with one
application while another one was downloading something at the same
time… stuff like that. And I didn’t know of any means to kill the
hanging application(s) or doing a soft reset, so had to end up pushing
the power button for a hard reset.

With xubuntu xfce dsktop I even have a “Ctrl+Alt+Backspace” option for
an emergency soft reset if need be, which I implemented by following the
“10 things to do after installing xubuntu xfce”.

Just today, prior to making my first post here, my screen started to
display flickering running lines while I was playing some songs and
typing a spreadsheet; went online, searched for flickering screen in
xubuntu xfce, found a cristal clear instruction to use the command line
to open, edit and save a file with launchpad, reboot the machine and
voila… flickering’s gone.

I think that the crux of the matter to me boils down to the same that
probably affects the majority of Windows users: help. OK, seasoned
Linuxers may rightfully argue – as I have seen – that we (Windows
victims) are lazy and want everything served ready made. But they need
to understand that it is not as much laziness per se, as it is a
consequence of Windows habbit and an extremely fast paced, hectic
working life these days – at least here in London, UK.

To Caeser what is of Caeser: Linus Torvalds gave the world the
undeniable marvel that it is Linux. But Bill Gates, for all his faults,
gave the world what the common citizen needs to USE a computer… a cursor
on a GUI and a mouse to point and click to make things work.

This is what Linuxers need to understand… the common user doesn’t have
any computing experience and rarely knows the difference between a bite
and a baud. We want to switch on the machine, throw a cd or dvd into the
drive, and then point and click on Yes, No, Maybe, Later, to install the
operating system. Then we want to read 

Re: [xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[chris]

On 14/05/17 11:04, Roger wrote:

On May 13, 2017 7:20:41 PM EDT, Peter Flynn  wrote:

On 13/05/17 23:12, chris wrote:

On 14/05/17 07:25, Peter Flynn wrote:

On 13/05/17 20:22, Joao Monteiro wrote:

Hi,



Delighted to hear it.

Basically, I found a Xubuntu Xfce (desktop) version
available for
download for 32 and 64 bit machines; downloaded both,
installed the 32
bit on an old Asus eeepc 1000H which had Windows XP.
Worked so well


I have heard that this works — I was surprised because I
have used more
recent Asus machines and they're basically rubbish.


Interested in your reasons why you say this?


I see a lot of students coming into my office with laptop problems and
there seem to be more Asus machines than any other. The most common
problems are sticking or broken keys, random battery drain, sudden
screen blanking, and hard disk noise. But maybe I am doing them an
injustice: I have not used one myself.

///Peter


Re: ASUS and Xubuntu:

I installed Xubuntu on two variants of their old "netbooks" with no
problems. They worked great even tho they maxed-out at 2 GB of ram. I
even managed to dual boot as well as replace the HD with an SSD in the
second one, which took a bit of prying and screwing around.

Excuse the top-post. Interspersing comments doesn't work well on this droid.
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I have never has major issues with Asus, not so for HP or Samsung.

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[fred roller]

Joao, excellent points you made.  I am not a programmer.  My intro to Linux
came when I converted my entire office (back when I had an office) to
Linux.  Trial and error, I landed here with Xubuntu as the hands down,
overall, easiest distro to deal with for new users.  My contribution is
more on the ground helping new users get to know and understand Linux.
Windows, for all it's conveniences comes with a hefty price between ad
intrusion and security practices I do not agree (i.e. default admin user
whether password is set or no.)

The Linux community has a more than functioning level of ready made
software and continues to refine the interface.  Help with Xubuntu has
always been better and faster overall than commercial.  I dare say, most of
the technology I see in use; PC, laptops, tablets, routers, phone systems,
phones, software, etc. etc. is either straight up Linux or inspired through
the work of the volunteers. Glad you are on board and hope the journey is
as fruitful for you as it has been for myself.  The key about Linux IMHO is
it opens choices; choices one must intelligently decide.

-- Fred

On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 10:45 PM, chris  wrote:

> On 14/05/17 11:59, Joao Monteiro wrote:
>
>> Hi again folks,
>>
>> Thank you for your replies and understanding, appreciated.
>>
>> Not sure this will be the right place for this reply, but it is on topic
>> (of gratefulness and history on how I got here). So please feel free to
>> move it to wherever it may be appropriate and let me know so that I
>> don’t pester anybody unecessarily again lol…
>>
>> Peter, I had my first contact with Linux actually over 15 years ago, but
>> only in the last 3 did I start to probe into it on a regular basis and
>> fidling with it more seriously. (BTW, I'm Ccing you here as well to se
>> if I do it right)
>>
>> My very first runs were with Red Hat Linux and then Suse Linux after
>> that. Bought the Red Hat Bible book in my local bookstore and used the
>> installation disk it brought. The very first thing that was instantly
>> noticeable was that I would require an awful lot of in-depth computing
>> knowledge to get it all right – loads of command line tuning for it all
>> to work fairly well.
>>
>> Same with Suse Linux; bought a box set of 5 CD’s and acompanying manual.
>> Same problems as with Red Hat.
>>
>> I am from the days of ZX Spectrum connected to the tele and a tape
>> recorder to load the programs and then moved onto PC with DOS. No
>> windows then, just the command prompt, so had a good experience using
>> it. But Linux is Unix like and Unix has by far an awful lot more of
>> commands, different syntax, structure, etc.
>>
>> So, about 3 years ago I started to seriously delve into Linux, as I got
>> an Asus eeepc 1000H off a colleague at work for peanuts. It paid off.
>>
>> Tried Debian, Red Hat again, Suse, Fedora and finally Ubuntu. All
>> versions of linux after Ubuntu have all been Ubuntu derivatives in one
>> way or another. Last year, after much reading, tried Mint and then Mate.
>> Have to say that Mate was indeed the one that prevented me from finally
>> giving up. It worked very well on the eeepc but still with glitches here
>> and there – the main one was a constant pop up notification saying that
>> something had stopped working and when I looke into it it was the Marco
>> (desktop wallpaper background?). Nothing major, in all honesty, but
>> somehow it still didn’t feel quite right. Funny thing is, I can’t really
>> say what or why it didn’t feel quite right. Perhaps it was the ongoing
>> arguing between some involved in its development/upkeeping about
>> technicalities, like placing this or that in this menu or that, or using
>> unity or not, I don’t now… something didn’t feel quite right for me. But
>> it definitely gave me hope and encouraged me to not give up. For that I
>> will always keep it at hand with gratitude.
>>
>> A few weeks ago, whilst trying to find some answers for some drivers
>> issues for it, I kept coming across references to xubuntu and to the
>> xfce desktop. So, digged into xubuntu info and found the 32 and 64 bit
>> ISOs for a bootable USB stick. Gave it a try and the rest is history.
>>
>> It was like it had been written for the eeepc. Everything worked
>> straight away without a single glitch. Mind you, Mate did work
>> exceedingly well as well, but sometimes it would hang up if I had more
>> than 3 applications open or if I tried to copy files with one
>> application while another one was downloading something at the same
>> time… stuff like that. And I didn’t know of any means to kill the
>> hanging application(s) or doing a soft reset, so had to end up pushing
>> the power button for a hard reset.
>>
>> With xubuntu xfce dsktop I even have a “Ctrl+Alt+Backspace” option for
>> an emergency soft reset if need be, which I implemented by following the
>> “10 things to do after installing xubuntu xfce”.
>>
>> Just today, prior to making my first post here, my screen started to
>

[xubuntu-users] Software Updater - disable?

[James Freer]

[using xubuntu 16.04]

For certain reasons I have preferred to do manual updating.

If one goes into Software and Updates; selects 'never' in updates - one still 
gets the orange update window coming up in the panel after an update which i 
find irritating. I'd be grateful if someone could advise on how to remove this.


thanks
james

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[chris]

On 14/05/17 15:46, fred roller wrote:

Joao, excellent points you made.  I am not a programmer.  My intro to
Linux came when I converted my entire office (back when I had an office)
to Linux.  Trial and error, I landed here with Xubuntu as the hands
down, overall, easiest distro to deal with for new users.  My
contribution is more on the ground helping new users get to know and
understand Linux.  Windows, for all it's conveniences comes with a hefty
price between ad intrusion and security practices I do not agree (i.e.
default admin user whether password is set or no.)

The Linux community has a more than functioning level of ready made
software and continues to refine the interface.  Help with Xubuntu has
always been better and faster overall than commercial.  I dare say, most
of the technology I see in use; PC, laptops, tablets, routers, phone
systems, phones, software, etc. etc. is either straight up Linux or
inspired through the work of the volunteers. Glad you are on board and
hope the journey is as fruitful for you as it has been for myself.  The
key about Linux IMHO is it opens choices; choices one must intelligently
decide.

-- Fred








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Re: [xubuntu-users] Software Updater - disable?

[chris]

On 14/05/17 15:47, James Freer wrote:

[using xubuntu 16.04]

For certain reasons I have preferred to do manual updating.

If one goes into Software and Updates; selects 'never' in updates - one
still gets the orange update window coming up in the panel after an
update which i find irritating. I'd be grateful if someone could advise
on how to remove this.

thanks
james


Hi James,
Try this as it worked for me
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic

Change the line unattended upgrade from "1"  to zero
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