Re: [xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[Joao Monteiro]

Thank you Fred, I certainly will. Have quite a lot to learn myself hehe and
the documentation section is certainly one where I will be spending a good
part of my free time :)

On 15 May 2017 03:47, "fred roller"  wrote:


On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Joao Monteiro 
wrote:

> So... good documentation, well structured and explained... yup. I'm all
> for it. I think it's critical to any field of human knoledge, so that
> knowledge can be adequately preserved and passed onto future generations.
> hell, it is critical to ourselves, to build upon it improvements,
> novelties, development, progress...


I love your passion for this subject.  Can I invite you to look into the
help channel to contribute your insight.

This is the generic "Get Involved" page.  https://xubuntu.org/contribute/
 the two areas which you may be interested is the Documentation and Quality
Assurance.  We are just folks, some have incredible programming skills and
the rest of us have our own particular strength to contribute.  Hope you
can look into the help system, sounds like they could use you.

-- Fred

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 14 May 2017 14:12:18 +0530, Subhadip Ghosh wrote
>On Sunday 14 May 2017 07:29 AM, Joao Monteiro wrote:  
>> [snip] ZX Spectrum 
>> [snip]they all required the use of the command line in one way or
>> another, to edit files, change their contents here or there, save
>> them and rebooting. All nice and well, but [...]  

Hi,

don't think too much, you are simply new to Linux, but since you are
from my generation Sinclair QL, ZX Spectrum, C64 etc., you will get
used to Linux very fast. IMO you should use command line as much as
possible. You are simply not used to the logion shell bash, but if you
don't use a file manager and instead start handling files by command
line, you quickly get used to it and it becomes outlandish to use a GUI
file manager and after a while it becomes outlandish to use a GUI for
even more advanced tasks.

>Thanks for sharing this very interesting story. For the most part, I
>do agree to the points you mentioned about casual computer users not
>caring enough about the installation details and just wanting things
>to work out of the box. I do feel that the Linux world is slowly
>marching to that point.  

Yesno, there are different distros for different target groups. Ubuntu
is an OOTB distro, but this comes with pitfalls, e.g. the policy to
start everything that could be auto-started by default often is
unwanted by power users. I don't want to bother you with all the
details. There are at least two major approaches, the "user-friendly"
and the "user-centric KISS principle" approach.

Linux is _not_ a replacement for Windows, it's an operating system with
a completely different approach. Windows and Linux are _not_
competitors.

Regards,
Ralf

PS:

Unfortunately roxterm is discontinued, without doubts it was the best
terminal emulation. I still prefer the broken roxterm over all other
terminal emulations, but I'm uncertain if it still makes sense to
migrate from xfce4-terminal to roxterm. However, consider to take a look
at different terminals, since xfce4-terminal might be less comfortable,
depending on the work-flow.


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Re: [xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[Subhadip Ghosh]

Hello Joao,

Thanks for sharing this very interesting story. For the most part, I do 
agree to the points you mentioned about casual computer users not caring 
enough about the installation details and just wanting things to work 
out of the box. I do feel that the Linux world is slowly marching to 
that point. For example, if you install Xubuntu on a supported hardware 
now a days, everything gets configured out of the box and after the 
installation, it's ready for your use. That's it. No need to install any 
driver or any video playing application or an office suite or a pdf 
reading software. But using a Linux compatible hardware is important 
that most of us forget or just take for granted.


Also, I hope you know that you can use this mailing list as a medium for 
getting help if you're stuck somewhere with Xubuntu and Linux in general.


Regards,
Subhadip

On Sunday 14 May 2017 07:29 AM, Joao Monteiro wrote:

Hi again folks,

Thank you for your replies and understanding, appreciated.

Not sure this will be the right place for this reply, but it is on 
topic (of gratefulness and history on how I got here). So please feel 
free to move it to wherever it may be appropriate and let me know so 
that I don’t pester anybody unecessarily again lol…


Peter, I had my first contact with Linux actually over 15 years ago, 
but only in the last 3 did I start to probe into it on a regular basis 
and fidling with it more seriously. (BTW, I'm Ccing you here as well 
to se if I do it right)


My very first runs were with Red Hat Linux and then Suse Linux after 
that. Bought the Red Hat Bible book in my local bookstore and used the 
installation disk it brought. The very first thing that was instantly 
noticeable was that I would require an awful lot of in-depth computing 
knowledge to get it all right – loads of command line tuning for it 
all to work fairly well.


Same with Suse Linux; bought a box set of 5 CD’s and acompanying 
manual. Same problems as with Red Hat.


I am from the days of ZX Spectrum connected to the tele and a tape 
recorder to load the programs and then moved onto PC with DOS. No 
windows then, just the command prompt, so had a good experience using 
it. But Linux is Unix like and Unix has by far an awful lot more of 
commands, different syntax, structure, etc.


So, about 3 years ago I started to seriously delve into Linux, as I 
got an Asus eeepc 1000H off a colleague at work for peanuts. It paid off.


Tried Debian, Red Hat again, Suse, Fedora and finally Ubuntu. All 
versions of linux after Ubuntu have all been Ubuntu derivatives in one 
way or another. Last year, after much reading, tried Mint and then 
Mate. Have to say that Mate was indeed the one that prevented me from 
finally giving up. It worked very well on the eeepc but still with 
glitches here and there – the main one was a constant pop up 
notification saying that something had stopped working and when I 
looke into it it was the Marco (desktop wallpaper background?). 
Nothing major, in all honesty, but somehow it still didn’t feel quite 
right. Funny thing is, I can’t really say what or why it didn’t feel 
quite right. Perhaps it was the ongoing arguing between some involved 
in its development/upkeeping about technicalities, like placing this 
or that in this menu or that, or using unity or not, I don’t now… 
something didn’t feel quite right for me. But it definitely gave me 
hope and encouraged me to not give up. For that I will always keep it 
at hand with gratitude.


A few weeks ago, whilst trying to find some answers for some drivers 
issues for it, I kept coming across references to xubuntu and to the 
xfce desktop. So, digged into xubuntu info and found the 32 and 64 bit 
ISOs for a bootable USB stick. Gave it a try and the rest is history.


It was like it had been written for the eeepc. Everything worked 
straight away without a single glitch. Mind you, Mate did work 
exceedingly well as well, but sometimes it would hang up if I had more 
than 3 applications open or if I tried to copy files with one 
application while another one was downloading something at the same 
time… stuff like that. And I didn’t know of any means to kill the 
hanging application(s) or doing a soft reset, so had to end up pushing 
the power button for a hard reset.


With xubuntu xfce dsktop I even have a “Ctrl+Alt+Backspace” option for 
an emergency soft reset if need be, which I implemented by following 
the “10 things to do after installing xubuntu xfce”.


Just today, prior to making my first post here, my screen started to 
display flickering running lines while I was playing some songs and 
typing a spreadsheet; went online, searched for flickering screen in 
xubuntu xfce, found a cristal clear instruction to use the command 
line to open, edit and save a file with launchpad, reboot the machine 
and voila… flickering’s gone.


I think that the crux of the matter to me boils down to the same that 
probably affects the majority of 

Re: [xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[chris]

On 14/05/17 15:46, fred roller wrote:

Joao, excellent points you made.  I am not a programmer.  My intro to
Linux came when I converted my entire office (back when I had an office)
to Linux.  Trial and error, I landed here with Xubuntu as the hands
down, overall, easiest distro to deal with for new users.  My
contribution is more on the ground helping new users get to know and
understand Linux.  Windows, for all it's conveniences comes with a hefty
price between ad intrusion and security practices I do not agree (i.e.
default admin user whether password is set or no.)

The Linux community has a more than functioning level of ready made
software and continues to refine the interface.  Help with Xubuntu has
always been better and faster overall than commercial.  I dare say, most
of the technology I see in use; PC, laptops, tablets, routers, phone
systems, phones, software, etc. etc. is either straight up Linux or
inspired through the work of the volunteers. Glad you are on board and
hope the journey is as fruitful for you as it has been for myself.  The
key about Linux IMHO is it opens choices; choices one must intelligently
decide.

-- Fred








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Re: [xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[fred roller]

Joao, excellent points you made.  I am not a programmer.  My intro to Linux
came when I converted my entire office (back when I had an office) to
Linux.  Trial and error, I landed here with Xubuntu as the hands down,
overall, easiest distro to deal with for new users.  My contribution is
more on the ground helping new users get to know and understand Linux.
Windows, for all it's conveniences comes with a hefty price between ad
intrusion and security practices I do not agree (i.e. default admin user
whether password is set or no.)

The Linux community has a more than functioning level of ready made
software and continues to refine the interface.  Help with Xubuntu has
always been better and faster overall than commercial.  I dare say, most of
the technology I see in use; PC, laptops, tablets, routers, phone systems,
phones, software, etc. etc. is either straight up Linux or inspired through
the work of the volunteers. Glad you are on board and hope the journey is
as fruitful for you as it has been for myself.  The key about Linux IMHO is
it opens choices; choices one must intelligently decide.

-- Fred

On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 10:45 PM, chris  wrote:

> On 14/05/17 11:59, Joao Monteiro wrote:
>
>> Hi again folks,
>>
>> Thank you for your replies and understanding, appreciated.
>>
>> Not sure this will be the right place for this reply, but it is on topic
>> (of gratefulness and history on how I got here). So please feel free to
>> move it to wherever it may be appropriate and let me know so that I
>> don’t pester anybody unecessarily again lol…
>>
>> Peter, I had my first contact with Linux actually over 15 years ago, but
>> only in the last 3 did I start to probe into it on a regular basis and
>> fidling with it more seriously. (BTW, I'm Ccing you here as well to se
>> if I do it right)
>>
>> My very first runs were with Red Hat Linux and then Suse Linux after
>> that. Bought the Red Hat Bible book in my local bookstore and used the
>> installation disk it brought. The very first thing that was instantly
>> noticeable was that I would require an awful lot of in-depth computing
>> knowledge to get it all right – loads of command line tuning for it all
>> to work fairly well.
>>
>> Same with Suse Linux; bought a box set of 5 CD’s and acompanying manual.
>> Same problems as with Red Hat.
>>
>> I am from the days of ZX Spectrum connected to the tele and a tape
>> recorder to load the programs and then moved onto PC with DOS. No
>> windows then, just the command prompt, so had a good experience using
>> it. But Linux is Unix like and Unix has by far an awful lot more of
>> commands, different syntax, structure, etc.
>>
>> So, about 3 years ago I started to seriously delve into Linux, as I got
>> an Asus eeepc 1000H off a colleague at work for peanuts. It paid off.
>>
>> Tried Debian, Red Hat again, Suse, Fedora and finally Ubuntu. All
>> versions of linux after Ubuntu have all been Ubuntu derivatives in one
>> way or another. Last year, after much reading, tried Mint and then Mate.
>> Have to say that Mate was indeed the one that prevented me from finally
>> giving up. It worked very well on the eeepc but still with glitches here
>> and there – the main one was a constant pop up notification saying that
>> something had stopped working and when I looke into it it was the Marco
>> (desktop wallpaper background?). Nothing major, in all honesty, but
>> somehow it still didn’t feel quite right. Funny thing is, I can’t really
>> say what or why it didn’t feel quite right. Perhaps it was the ongoing
>> arguing between some involved in its development/upkeeping about
>> technicalities, like placing this or that in this menu or that, or using
>> unity or not, I don’t now… something didn’t feel quite right for me. But
>> it definitely gave me hope and encouraged me to not give up. For that I
>> will always keep it at hand with gratitude.
>>
>> A few weeks ago, whilst trying to find some answers for some drivers
>> issues for it, I kept coming across references to xubuntu and to the
>> xfce desktop. So, digged into xubuntu info and found the 32 and 64 bit
>> ISOs for a bootable USB stick. Gave it a try and the rest is history.
>>
>> It was like it had been written for the eeepc. Everything worked
>> straight away without a single glitch. Mind you, Mate did work
>> exceedingly well as well, but sometimes it would hang up if I had more
>> than 3 applications open or if I tried to copy files with one
>> application while another one was downloading something at the same
>> time… stuff like that. And I didn’t know of any means to kill the
>> hanging application(s) or doing a soft reset, so had to end up pushing
>> the power button for a hard reset.
>>
>> With xubuntu xfce dsktop I even have a “Ctrl+Alt+Backspace” option for
>> an emergency soft reset if need be, which I implemented by following the
>> “10 things to do after installing xubuntu xfce”.
>>
>> Just today, prior to making my first post here, my 

Re: [xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[Leigh S]

João,



Estou cem percento contigo!



sorry about my English accent :)



Brasileiro ou da Europa?



Xubuntu is exactly what I want.

So long I spent in the wastelands of MS :(



I don't care about the details, just happy that these guys make the effort

Cheers to you all!



Leigh



 On Sun, 14 May 2017 02:59:32 +0100 Joao Monteiro 
jmonteiro...@gmail.com wrote 




Hi again folks, 



Thank you for your replies and understanding, appreciated.



Not sure this will be the right place for this reply, but it is on topic (of 
gratefulness and history on how I got here). So please feel free to move it to 
wherever it may be appropriate and let me know so that I don’t pester anybody 
unecessarily again lol…



Peter, I had my first contact with Linux actually over 15 years ago, but only 
in the last 3 did I start to probe into it on a regular basis and fidling with 
it more seriously. (BTW, I'm Ccing you here as well to se if I do it right)



My very first runs were with Red Hat Linux and then Suse Linux after that. 
Bought the Red Hat Bible book in my local bookstore and used the installation 
disk it brought. The very first thing that was instantly noticeable was that I 
would require an awful lot of in-depth computing knowledge to get it all right 
– loads of command line tuning for it all to work fairly well.



Same with Suse Linux; bought a box set of 5 CD’s and acompanying manual. Same 
problems as with Red Hat.



I am from the days of ZX Spectrum connected to the tele and a tape recorder to 
load the programs and then moved onto PC with DOS. No windows then, just the 
command prompt, so had a good experience using it. But Linux is Unix like and 
Unix has by far an awful lot more of commands, different syntax, structure, etc.



So, about 3 years ago I started to seriously delve into Linux, as I got an Asus 
eeepc 1000H off a colleague at work for peanuts. It paid off.



Tried Debian, Red Hat again, Suse, Fedora and finally Ubuntu. All versions of 
linux after Ubuntu have all been Ubuntu derivatives in one way or another. Last 
year, after much reading, tried Mint and then Mate. Have to say that Mate was 
indeed the one that prevented me from finally giving up. It worked very well on 
the eeepc but still with glitches here and there – the main one was a constant 
pop up notification saying that something had stopped working and when I looke 
into it it was the Marco (desktop wallpaper background?). Nothing major, in all 
honesty, but somehow it still didn’t feel quite right. Funny thing is, I can’t 
really say what or why it didn’t feel quite right. Perhaps it was the ongoing 
arguing between some involved in its development/upkeeping about 
technicalities, like placing this or that in this menu or that, or using unity 
or not, I don’t now… something didn’t feel quite right for me. But it 
definitely gave me hope and encouraged me to not give up. For that I will 
always keep it at hand with gratitude.



A few weeks ago, whilst trying to find some answers for some drivers issues for 
it, I kept coming across references to xubuntu and to the xfce desktop. So, 
digged into xubuntu info and found the 32 and 64 bit ISOs for a bootable USB 
stick. Gave it a try and the rest is history.



It was like it had been written for the eeepc. Everything worked straight away 
without a single glitch. Mind you, Mate did work exceedingly well as well, but 
sometimes it would hang up if I had more than 3 applications open or if I tried 
to copy files with one application while another one was downloading something 
at the same time… stuff like that. And I didn’t know of any means to kill the 
hanging application(s) or doing a soft reset, so had to end up pushing the 
power button for a hard reset.



With xubuntu xfce dsktop I even have a “Ctrl+Alt+Backspace” option for an 
emergency soft reset if need be, which I implemented by following the “10 
things to do after installing xubuntu xfce”.

Just today, prior to making my first post here, my screen started to display 
flickering running lines while I was playing some songs and typing a 
spreadsheet; went online, searched for flickering screen in xubuntu xfce, found 
a cristal clear instruction to use the command line to open, edit and save a 
file with launchpad, reboot the machine and voila… flickering’s gone.



I think that the crux of the matter to me boils down to the same that probably 
affects the majority of Windows users: help. OK, seasoned Linuxers may 
rightfully argue – as I have seen – that we (Windows victims) are lazy and want 
everything served ready made. But they need to understand that it is not as 
much laziness per se, as it is a consequence of Windows habbit and an extremely 
fast paced, hectic working life these days – at least here in London, UK.



To Caeser what is of Caeser: Linus Torvalds gave the world the undeniable 
marvel that it is Linux. But Bill Gates, for all his faults, gave the world 
what the common citizen needs 

[xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[Joao Monteiro]

Hi again folks,

Thank you for your replies and understanding, appreciated.

Not sure this will be the right place for this reply, but it is on topic
(of gratefulness and history on how I got here). So please feel free to
move it to wherever it may be appropriate and let me know so that I don’t
pester anybody unecessarily again lol…

Peter, I had my first contact with Linux actually over 15 years ago, but
only in the last 3 did I start to probe into it on a regular basis and
fidling with it more seriously. (BTW, I'm Ccing you here as well to se if I
do it right)

My very first runs were with Red Hat Linux and then Suse Linux after that.
Bought the Red Hat Bible book in my local bookstore and used the
installation disk it brought. The very first thing that was instantly
noticeable was that I would require an awful lot of in-depth computing
knowledge to get it all right – loads of command line tuning for it all to
work fairly well.

Same with Suse Linux; bought a box set of 5 CD’s and acompanying manual.
Same problems as with Red Hat.

I am from the days of ZX Spectrum connected to the tele and a tape recorder
to load the programs and then moved onto PC with DOS. No windows then, just
the command prompt, so had a good experience using it. But Linux is Unix
like and Unix has by far an awful lot more of commands, different syntax,
structure, etc.

So, about 3 years ago I started to seriously delve into Linux, as I got an
Asus eeepc 1000H off a colleague at work for peanuts. It paid off.

Tried Debian, Red Hat again, Suse, Fedora and finally Ubuntu. All versions
of linux after Ubuntu have all been Ubuntu derivatives in one way or
another. Last year, after much reading, tried Mint and then Mate. Have to
say that Mate was indeed the one that prevented me from finally giving up.
It worked very well on the eeepc but still with glitches here and there –
the main one was a constant pop up notification saying that something had
stopped working and when I looke into it it was the Marco (desktop
wallpaper background?). Nothing major, in all honesty, but somehow it still
didn’t feel quite right. Funny thing is, I can’t really say what or why it
didn’t feel quite right. Perhaps it was the ongoing arguing between some
involved in its development/upkeeping about technicalities, like placing
this or that in this menu or that, or using unity or not, I don’t now…
something didn’t feel quite right for me. But it definitely gave me hope
and encouraged me to not give up. For that I will always keep it at hand
with gratitude.

A few weeks ago, whilst trying to find some answers for some drivers issues
for it, I kept coming across references to xubuntu and to the xfce desktop.
So, digged into xubuntu info and found the 32 and 64 bit ISOs for a
bootable USB stick. Gave it a try and the rest is history.

It was like it had been written for the eeepc. Everything worked straight
away without a single glitch. Mind you, Mate did work exceedingly well as
well, but sometimes it would hang up if I had more than 3 applications open
or if I tried to copy files with one application while another one was
downloading something at the same time… stuff like that. And I didn’t know
of any means to kill the hanging application(s) or doing a soft reset, so
had to end up pushing the power button for a hard reset.

With xubuntu xfce dsktop I even have a “Ctrl+Alt+Backspace” option for an
emergency soft reset if need be, which I implemented by following the “10
things to do after installing xubuntu xfce”.

Just today, prior to making my first post here, my screen started to
display flickering running lines while I was playing some songs and typing
a spreadsheet; went online, searched for flickering screen in xubuntu xfce,
found a cristal clear instruction to use the command line to open, edit and
save a file with launchpad, reboot the machine and voila… flickering’s gone.

I think that the crux of the matter to me boils down to the same that
probably affects the majority of Windows users: help. OK, seasoned Linuxers
may rightfully argue – as I have seen – that we (Windows victims) are lazy
and want everything served ready made. But they need to understand that it
is not as much laziness per se, as it is a consequence of Windows habbit
and an extremely fast paced, hectic working life these days – at least here
in London, UK.

To Caeser what is of Caeser: Linus Torvalds gave the world the undeniable
marvel that it is Linux. But Bill Gates, for all his faults, gave the world
what the common citizen needs to USE a computer… a cursor on a GUI and a
mouse to point and click to make things work.

This is what Linuxers need to understand… the common user doesn’t have any
computing experience and rarely knows the difference between a bite and a
baud. We want to switch on the machine, throw a cd or dvd into the drive,
and then point and click on Yes, No, Maybe, Later, to install the operating
system. Then we want to read on the screen “Done, reboot your 

Re: [xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[Peter Flynn]

On 13/05/17 23:12, chris wrote:
> On 14/05/17 07:25, Peter Flynn wrote:
>> On 13/05/17 20:22, Joao Monteiro wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
> 
>> Delighted to hear it.
>>
>>> Basically, I found a Xubuntu Xfce (desktop) version available for
>>> download for 32 and 64 bit machines; downloaded both, installed the 32
>>> bit on an old Asus eeepc 1000H which had Windows XP. Worked so well
>>
>> I have heard that this works — I was surprised because I have used more
>> recent Asus machines and they're basically rubbish.
>>
> Interested in your reasons why you say this?

I see a lot of students coming into my office with laptop problems and
there seem to be more Asus machines than any other. The most common
problems are sticking or broken keys, random battery drain, sudden
screen blanking, and hard disk noise. But maybe I am doing them an
injustice: I have not used one myself.

///Peter


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[xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

[Joao Monteiro]

Hi,

Newbie to Linux, so please cut me some slack - but by all means Do joke and
have a laugh, humour IS important.

I don't even know if I will be able to get back to this list to read
anything or post anything else, I really don't. But I want to say this for
whatever it may be worth to anyone working on the Xubuntu Xfce...
give up and experiment with
THANK YOU for all your hard work and PLEASE don't ever let this version of
Linux die away.

I have for the last 3 years been trying various flavours and versions of
Linux to move away from Windows, which has been exaspering me no end for
the most varied reasons. Not being a computer geek, it have been a long 3
years of frustartion, disappointment and at times exasperation... but
somewhere deep in myself I knew Linux was what I wanted and above else
NEEDED... so I stuck to my guns and kept the myriad of steady advices from
various communities to not give up and keep experimenting with different
versions until I finf one that feels right for me.

I got a first hope with Linux Mate, which i will always respect and love
for throwing me into the right track - for my personal ways of course.

I finally got it with Xubuntu Xfce. Hell, I don't even know if this is the
correct definition/name/whatever of the version. I only know that I'm head
over heels with it and can't let go of it.

Basically, I found a Xubuntu Xfce (desktop) version available for download
for 32 and 64 bit machines; downloaded both, installed the 32 bit on an old
Asus eeepc 1000H which had Windows XP. Worked so well that I didn't think
twice and installed the 64 bit version on an equally old Samsung R20 laptop
(notorious apparently for being a piece of crap acording to geeks who know
about these things), wiping out the damn Windows 7 altogether without any
hesitation.

The Samsung R20 laptop might be the piecve of crap that many call it, but
for your information it is running all the windows applications that I need
(their equivalents in Linux world in some cases) without a glitch and much,
much faster than my Toshiba core i7 with Windows 7.

I play movies, play my music selections while working on other applications
at same time (pdf's, excel, word, cad drawing, emails, you name it) and the
dang old Samsung has turned out to surprise me as a hell of a most
reliable, fast, efficient and unexpectedly wonderful, blissful breath of
much welcome and desperately needed fresh air.

I AM WORKING now. Not drinking cup after cup of coffee or chain smoking
ciggy after ciggy waiting for a massive drive backup or a long file list to
finish copying and saving. I get memory sticks with God knows what crap
people setup in there and can't even be recognized by Windows connected to
the laptop, fire up gparted - or sometimes just go command line with gpart
- and I recover the whole data in them and reformat them for them to become
again usable by WINDOWS (hahaha what a slap on the face to microsoft)
systems.

Gentlemen, ladies, folks in general... I'm just a PC user like millions
world wide, not a computer geek... but xubuntu Xfce made my move away from
Microsoft windows a REALITY.

I struggle with money like most and I am busy to my eyeballs with work
(both for a living as well as private research - energy related) so i don't
have a clue how could I possibly give any contribution to this community
and project. hence, this long babbling just to say THANK YOU to all of you
who made this Linux version a reality and are keeping it going. Make no
mistakes, everybody at work can't help it to ask me what a hell am I
running on my laptop and I DO take the time to tell them, to show them what
i have on this little old dated machine that just puts their fancy core
i5's and core i7's running windows to shame. And some who know me and know
my moral and ethical integrity have been asking me to install xubuntu xfce
on their PC's and laptops side by side with Windows - which i do, AFTER
they try the xubuntu xfce from a live USB stick (with persistence to allow
them to save files in it) first, to see if they like it and feel
comfortable with it.

Yes, a long and boring post to most of you, I know... but you are all
"Linuxers" by defult. I'm just a disgruntled, disgusted and exasperated
Windows breed who finally, after 3 years of no mean exasperations trying
countless versions of Linux, finally found a Linux that WORKS AS IT SAYS IN
THE TIN (and consistently accross a PC and various different laptop
models), in a way that is familiar and easy to transition to from the
cursed microsoft tyranny (my opinion of course).

I can't thank you all enough, as well as to the excellent "10 things to do
first when installing xubuntu xfce" website/guide.

Perhaps someone who has nothing to contribute doesn't exactly have the
right to ask for this, but for the sake of the countless Windows users who
- like myself - are desperate to find a steady, reliable, efficient
alternative, please... keep up your work and don't let it die away. More