Re: [zbmethod] Re: Group A delegation

[Gilles van den Peereboom]

As for me, I'm really pleased with the no-CP cases that already exists. As most of them consists in a combination of 2 sune (or antisune, ..), these are really fast cases.Although I usually donc like to have many cube rotations during an alg so I rewrote some of Chris' T1 cases with U or U' so that I can execute them faster (I think I'm sub-3 on all these T1 cases.)
Gilles.2005/12/14, Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:




I was refering to H1 with no EP.

That is, no CP and no EP.

My current alg sucks. Help me find a better one. I'll have to post 
all of my H1 algs this weekend.


-Doug


--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> For no edge permutation, you said you don't like that case?
> F (RUR'U')*3 F'
> 1.69 (2.39) 2.13 1.78 2.10 1.82 1.68 1.88 1.59 (1.56) 1.77 1.96 =>
> 1.84 average.  For 14 moves, that's 7.6 tps average.  It is a very
> nice case. :)  I started cube in hands, timing with stackmat.
> 
> ~ Bob
> 
> --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >
> > It is H-Orientation with Diagonally swapped corners.
> > 
> > It is a bit uncharted territory... hence it is not yet numbered. 
I 
> > was waiting for Chris to finish naming those cases. He told me 
he'd 
> > do this (all of them) over break.
> > 
> > 
> > -Doug
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > The cases you have listed on that page...what # are they? ie - 
H1, 
> > H2,
> > > etc?
> > > 
> > > ~ Bob
> > > 
> > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm aware that I haven't listed all the cases yet but these 
are 
> > the
> > > only one
> > > > on which I've worked on at the moment and they still need to 
be
> > > improved.
> > > > I'll add all the images later tonight so that you can see 
what's
> > > left to do
> > > > with this case (which H case is it ? H2 or something else ?)
> > > > 
> > > > And for the permutation image (not the 3D cube), do you have 
some
> > > sort of
> > > > program or do you do them yourself in paint or something ?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Gilles.
> > > > 
> > > > 2005/12/13, Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > >
> > > > >  This site seems to be issing some cases:
> > > > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/zbll/index.html
> > > > >
> > > > > There are typically 12 edge cases if you count mirrors and 
> > inverses.
> > > > > Give timings for these, and write them in trigger notation.
> > > > >
> > > > > I typically avoid taking a lead role in things, but since 
it's 
> > beeen
> > > > > rather quite and people are itching to do work I'm going 
to 
> > give
> > > > > some suggestions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since Jason is working on T5, he could work on improving 
those 
> > algs
> > > > > and give us timings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since Chris started work on U2, that is his territory.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have yet to get a reply about my L1 algs, I would 
especially
> > > > > appriciate it if DanH would give those a look since he 
asked 
> > about
> > > > > them a while ago. (Although I'm sure he's busy lately 
since he
> > > > > hasn't even posted his L1 list yet, on his site.)
> > > > >
> > > > > I am going to post my H1 algs next.
> > > > >
> > > > > In general look though the T-Orientation cases and see if 
> > there's a
> > > > > rather long one that can be beter executed.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone has other no CP algs (that are possiblity better 
> > than what
> > > > > we already have), now is a good time to post them. I would
> > > > > especially like revised T1 and U1 algs, since those seem 
to be 
> > the
> > > > > slowest no CP cases..., for me at least.
> > > > >
> > > > > If any of you want to work on unexplored territory, claim 
it 
> > first
> > > > > by posting here so that we don't have people working on the
> > > > > identical thing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Collaborate, Divide and Conquer!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -Doug
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As you are the only one who has had the leading position,
> > > > > > could you describe what it consists in ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Another possibility is giving some "homework" to 
everyone 
> > for 3
> > > > > weeks :p
> > > > > > If Doug can get us a big list of raw algorithms (so we 
need 
> > to
> > > > > provide him a
> > > > > > txt file with the cases), I'm sure we could have 
something 
> > to do
> > > > > for that
> > > > > > period.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you think ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Concerning my case, I'll have mid-terms exams in January 
so 
> > my
> > > > > time will be
> > > > > > a bit limited from now on for zb-research. But I can 
surely 
> > find
> > > > > at least
> > > > > > one hour per day to work on zb.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope your exams will go well :-)
> > > > > 

[zbmethod] Re: Group A delegation

[Doug Lee]

I was refering to H1 with no EP.

That is, no CP and no EP.

My current alg sucks. Help me find a better one. I'll have to post 
all of my H1 algs this weekend.


-Doug


--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> For no edge permutation, you said you don't like that case?
> F (RUR'U')*3 F'
> 1.69 (2.39) 2.13 1.78 2.10 1.82 1.68 1.88 1.59 (1.56) 1.77 1.96 =>
> 1.84 average.  For 14 moves, that's 7.6 tps average.  It is a very
> nice case. :)  I started cube in hands, timing with stackmat.
> 
> ~ Bob
> 
> --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >
> > It is H-Orientation with Diagonally swapped corners.
> > 
> > It is a bit uncharted territory... hence it is not yet numbered. 
I 
> > was waiting for Chris to finish naming those cases. He told me 
he'd 
> > do this (all of them) over break.
> > 
> > 
> > -Doug
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > The cases you have listed on that page...what # are they? ie - 
H1, 
> > H2,
> > > etc?
> > > 
> > > ~ Bob
> > > 
> > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm aware that I haven't listed all the cases yet but these 
are 
> > the
> > > only one
> > > > on which I've worked on at the moment and they still need to 
be
> > > improved.
> > > > I'll add all the images later tonight so that you can see 
what's
> > > left to do
> > > > with this case (which H case is it ? H2 or something else ?)
> > > > 
> > > > And for the permutation image (not the 3D cube), do you have 
some
> > > sort of
> > > > program or do you do them yourself in paint or something ?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Gilles.
> > > > 
> > > > 2005/12/13, Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > >
> > > > >  This site seems to be issing some cases:
> > > > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/zbll/index.html
> > > > >
> > > > > There are typically 12 edge cases if you count mirrors and 
> > inverses.
> > > > > Give timings for these, and write them in trigger notation.
> > > > >
> > > > > I typically avoid taking a lead role in things, but since 
it's 
> > beeen
> > > > > rather quite and people are itching to do work I'm going 
to 
> > give
> > > > > some suggestions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since Jason is working on T5, he could work on improving 
those 
> > algs
> > > > > and give us timings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since Chris started work on U2, that is his territory.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have yet to get a reply about my L1 algs, I would 
especially
> > > > > appriciate it if DanH would give those a look since he 
asked 
> > about
> > > > > them a while ago. (Although I'm sure he's busy lately 
since he
> > > > > hasn't even posted his L1 list yet, on his site.)
> > > > >
> > > > > I am going to post my H1 algs next.
> > > > >
> > > > > In general look though the T-Orientation cases and see if 
> > there's a
> > > > > rather long one that can be beter executed.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone has other no CP algs (that are possiblity better 
> > than what
> > > > > we already have), now is a good time to post them. I would
> > > > > especially like revised T1 and U1 algs, since those seem 
to be 
> > the
> > > > > slowest no CP cases..., for me at least.
> > > > >
> > > > > If any of you want to work on unexplored territory, claim 
it 
> > first
> > > > > by posting here so that we don't have people working on the
> > > > > identical thing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Collaborate, Divide and Conquer!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -Doug
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As you are the only one who has had the leading position,
> > > > > > could you describe what it consists in ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Another possibility is giving some "homework" to 
everyone 
> > for 3
> > > > > weeks :p
> > > > > > If Doug can get us a big list of raw algorithms (so we 
need 
> > to
> > > > > provide him a
> > > > > > txt file with the cases), I'm sure we could have 
something 
> > to do
> > > > > for that
> > > > > > period.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you think ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Concerning my case, I'll have mid-terms exams in January 
so 
> > my
> > > > > time will be
> > > > > > a bit limited from now on for zb-research. But I can 
surely 
> > find
> > > > > at least
> > > > > > one hour per day to work on zb.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope your exams will go well :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gilles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > NB : I learned the entire VH-F2L today :p (not so hard, 
I 
> > agree.
> > > > > mostly
> > > > > > intuitive algorithms)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2005/12/13, cmhardw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Hey everyone,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I wanted to ask basically what we wanted to do as a 
group 
> > about
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > lead position, or group

[zbmethod] Re: Group A delegation

[Bob Burton]

For no edge permutation, you said you don't like that case?
F (RUR'U')*3 F'
1.69 (2.39) 2.13 1.78 2.10 1.82 1.68 1.88 1.59 (1.56) 1.77 1.96 =>
1.84 average.  For 14 moves, that's 7.6 tps average.  It is a very
nice case. :)  I started cube in hands, timing with stackmat.

~ Bob

--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It is H-Orientation with Diagonally swapped corners.
> 
> It is a bit uncharted territory... hence it is not yet numbered. I 
> was waiting for Chris to finish naming those cases. He told me he'd 
> do this (all of them) over break.
> 
> 
> -Doug
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > The cases you have listed on that page...what # are they? ie - H1, 
> H2,
> > etc?
> > 
> > ~ Bob
> > 
> > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm aware that I haven't listed all the cases yet but these are 
> the
> > only one
> > > on which I've worked on at the moment and they still need to be
> > improved.
> > > I'll add all the images later tonight so that you can see what's
> > left to do
> > > with this case (which H case is it ? H2 or something else ?)
> > > 
> > > And for the permutation image (not the 3D cube), do you have some
> > sort of
> > > program or do you do them yourself in paint or something ?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Gilles.
> > > 
> > > 2005/12/13, Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > >
> > > >  This site seems to be issing some cases:
> > > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/zbll/index.html
> > > >
> > > > There are typically 12 edge cases if you count mirrors and 
> inverses.
> > > > Give timings for these, and write them in trigger notation.
> > > >
> > > > I typically avoid taking a lead role in things, but since it's 
> beeen
> > > > rather quite and people are itching to do work I'm going to 
> give
> > > > some suggestions.
> > > >
> > > > Since Jason is working on T5, he could work on improving those 
> algs
> > > > and give us timings.
> > > >
> > > > Since Chris started work on U2, that is his territory.
> > > >
> > > > I have yet to get a reply about my L1 algs, I would especially
> > > > appriciate it if DanH would give those a look since he asked 
> about
> > > > them a while ago. (Although I'm sure he's busy lately since he
> > > > hasn't even posted his L1 list yet, on his site.)
> > > >
> > > > I am going to post my H1 algs next.
> > > >
> > > > In general look though the T-Orientation cases and see if 
> there's a
> > > > rather long one that can be beter executed.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone has other no CP algs (that are possiblity better 
> than what
> > > > we already have), now is a good time to post them. I would
> > > > especially like revised T1 and U1 algs, since those seem to be 
> the
> > > > slowest no CP cases..., for me at least.
> > > >
> > > > If any of you want to work on unexplored territory, claim it 
> first
> > > > by posting here so that we don't have people working on the
> > > > identical thing.
> > > >
> > > > Collaborate, Divide and Conquer!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Doug
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > As you are the only one who has had the leading position,
> > > > > could you describe what it consists in ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Another possibility is giving some "homework" to everyone 
> for 3
> > > > weeks :p
> > > > > If Doug can get us a big list of raw algorithms (so we need 
> to
> > > > provide him a
> > > > > txt file with the cases), I'm sure we could have something 
> to do
> > > > for that
> > > > > period.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you think ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Concerning my case, I'll have mid-terms exams in January so 
> my
> > > > time will be
> > > > > a bit limited from now on for zb-research. But I can surely 
> find
> > > > at least
> > > > > one hour per day to work on zb.
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope your exams will go well :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Gilles.
> > > > >
> > > > > NB : I learned the entire VH-F2L today :p (not so hard, I 
> agree.
> > > > mostly
> > > > > intuitive algorithms)
> > > > >
> > > > > 2005/12/13, cmhardw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  Hey everyone,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wanted to ask basically what we wanted to do as a group 
> about
> > > > the
> > > > > > lead position, or group A.  I honestly am willing to 
> devote the
> > > > time
> > > > > > to any of the activities in our delegation, but I would 
> love to
> > > > help
> > > > > > direct.  I will have the free time after I graduate (I 
> really do
> > > > cube
> > > > > > in all of my free time, so it won't be a big change).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, there is an issue.  On Dec. 19 I am leaving for
> > > > California to
> > > > > > visit my Grandparents and won't be back until Jan. 6.  
> During
> > > > this
> > > > > > time I won't have any access to the internet w

[zbmethod] Re: Group A delegation

[Doug Lee]

Also, due to their difference in symmetry with the T/U category, it 
is not yet clear what the numbering should be since, there is no 
analog I can see.

There should be only 4 COLL sub-categories within the H-Orientation. 
So not the 6 we see in T and U, using the way Chris is 
counting/sorthing them.

As a guess, I believe Chris would name those H4, but I leave it up 
to him.

Also, Bob, what do you think of my L1 listing?
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~dlli/zblll1.html


-Doug


--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The cases you have listed on that page...what # are they? ie - H1, 
H2,
> etc?
> 
> ~ Bob
> 
> --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I'm aware that I haven't listed all the cases yet but these are 
the
> only one
> > on which I've worked on at the moment and they still need to be
> improved.
> > I'll add all the images later tonight so that you can see what's
> left to do
> > with this case (which H case is it ? H2 or something else ?)
> > 
> > And for the permutation image (not the 3D cube), do you have some
> sort of
> > program or do you do them yourself in paint or something ?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Gilles.
> > 
> > 2005/12/13, Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > >  This site seems to be issing some cases:
> > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/zbll/index.html
> > >
> > > There are typically 12 edge cases if you count mirrors and 
inverses.
> > > Give timings for these, and write them in trigger notation.
> > >
> > > I typically avoid taking a lead role in things, but since it's 
beeen
> > > rather quite and people are itching to do work I'm going to 
give
> > > some suggestions.
> > >
> > > Since Jason is working on T5, he could work on improving those 
algs
> > > and give us timings.
> > >
> > > Since Chris started work on U2, that is his territory.
> > >
> > > I have yet to get a reply about my L1 algs, I would especially
> > > appriciate it if DanH would give those a look since he asked 
about
> > > them a while ago. (Although I'm sure he's busy lately since he
> > > hasn't even posted his L1 list yet, on his site.)
> > >
> > > I am going to post my H1 algs next.
> > >
> > > In general look though the T-Orientation cases and see if 
there's a
> > > rather long one that can be beter executed.
> > >
> > > If anyone has other no CP algs (that are possiblity better 
than what
> > > we already have), now is a good time to post them. I would
> > > especially like revised T1 and U1 algs, since those seem to be 
the
> > > slowest no CP cases..., for me at least.
> > >
> > > If any of you want to work on unexplored territory, claim it 
first
> > > by posting here so that we don't have people working on the
> > > identical thing.
> > >
> > > Collaborate, Divide and Conquer!
> > >
> > >
> > > -Doug
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As you are the only one who has had the leading position,
> > > > could you describe what it consists in ?
> > > >
> > > > Another possibility is giving some "homework" to everyone 
for 3
> > > weeks :p
> > > > If Doug can get us a big list of raw algorithms (so we need 
to
> > > provide him a
> > > > txt file with the cases), I'm sure we could have something 
to do
> > > for that
> > > > period.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think ?
> > > >
> > > > Concerning my case, I'll have mid-terms exams in January so 
my
> > > time will be
> > > > a bit limited from now on for zb-research. But I can surely 
find
> > > at least
> > > > one hour per day to work on zb.
> > > >
> > > > I hope your exams will go well :-)
> > > >
> > > > Gilles.
> > > >
> > > > NB : I learned the entire VH-F2L today :p (not so hard, I 
agree.
> > > mostly
> > > > intuitive algorithms)
> > > >
> > > > 2005/12/13, cmhardw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > >
> > > > >  Hey everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to ask basically what we wanted to do as a group 
about
> > > the
> > > > > lead position, or group A.  I honestly am willing to 
devote the
> > > time
> > > > > to any of the activities in our delegation, but I would 
love to
> > > help
> > > > > direct.  I will have the free time after I graduate (I 
really do
> > > cube
> > > > > in all of my free time, so it won't be a big change).
> > > > >
> > > > > However, there is an issue.  On Dec. 19 I am leaving for
> > > California to
> > > > > visit my Grandparents and won't be back until Jan. 6.  
During
> > > this
> > > > > time I won't have any access to the internet whatsoever.
> > > > >
> > > > > In this formative period of team [zb] I don't think it 
would be
> > > good
> > > > > for me to delegate, simply since I will be absent for 
roughly
> > > three
> > > > > weeks very shortly.  I will take my laptop with me and 
analyze
> > > cases
> > > > > and optimize algs while I am gone though.
> > > > >
> > > > > My question is this, what should we do about the lead 

Re: [zbmethod] Re: Group A delegation

[Gilles van den Peereboom]

Ok I've added all the 3D Cubes image (16 cases in total, including the other diagon)The number of the case is not that important, but it's easier for communication. ;-)Gilles.
2005/12/13, Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:




It is H-Orientation with Diagonally swapped corners.

It is a bit uncharted territory... hence it is not yet numbered. I 
was waiting for Chris to finish naming those cases. He told me he'd 
do this (all of them) over break.


-Doug




--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The cases you have listed on that page...what # are they? ie - H1, 
H2,
> etc?
> 
> ~ Bob
> 
> --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I'm aware that I haven't listed all the cases yet but these are 
the
> only one
> > on which I've worked on at the moment and they still need to be
> improved.
> > I'll add all the images later tonight so that you can see what's
> left to do
> > with this case (which H case is it ? H2 or something else ?)
> > 
> > And for the permutation image (not the 3D cube), do you have some
> sort of
> > program or do you do them yourself in paint or something ?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Gilles.
> > 
> > 2005/12/13, Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > >  This site seems to be issing some cases:
> > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/zbll/index.html
> > >
> > > There are typically 12 edge cases if you count mirrors and 
inverses.
> > > Give timings for these, and write them in trigger notation.
> > >
> > > I typically avoid taking a lead role in things, but since it's 
beeen
> > > rather quite and people are itching to do work I'm going to 
give
> > > some suggestions.
> > >
> > > Since Jason is working on T5, he could work on improving those 
algs
> > > and give us timings.
> > >
> > > Since Chris started work on U2, that is his territory.
> > >
> > > I have yet to get a reply about my L1 algs, I would especially
> > > appriciate it if DanH would give those a look since he asked 
about
> > > them a while ago. (Although I'm sure he's busy lately since he
> > > hasn't even posted his L1 list yet, on his site.)
> > >
> > > I am going to post my H1 algs next.
> > >
> > > In general look though the T-Orientation cases and see if 
there's a
> > > rather long one that can be beter executed.
> > >
> > > If anyone has other no CP algs (that are possiblity better 
than what
> > > we already have), now is a good time to post them. I would
> > > especially like revised T1 and U1 algs, since those seem to be 
the
> > > slowest no CP cases..., for me at least.
> > >
> > > If any of you want to work on unexplored territory, claim it 
first
> > > by posting here so that we don't have people working on the
> > > identical thing.
> > >
> > > Collaborate, Divide and Conquer!
> > >
> > >
> > > -Doug
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As you are the only one who has had the leading position,
> > > > could you describe what it consists in ?
> > > >
> > > > Another possibility is giving some "homework" to everyone 
for 3
> > > weeks :p
> > > > If Doug can get us a big list of raw algorithms (so we need 
to
> > > provide him a
> > > > txt file with the cases), I'm sure we could have something 
to do
> > > for that
> > > > period.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think ?
> > > >
> > > > Concerning my case, I'll have mid-terms exams in January so 
my
> > > time will be
> > > > a bit limited from now on for zb-research. But I can surely 
find
> > > at least
> > > > one hour per day to work on zb.
> > > >
> > > > I hope your exams will go well :-)
> > > >
> > > > Gilles.
> > > >
> > > > NB : I learned the entire VH-F2L today :p (not so hard, I 
agree.
> > > mostly
> > > > intuitive algorithms)
> > > >
> > > > 2005/12/13, cmhardw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > >
> > > > >  Hey everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to ask basically what we wanted to do as a group 
about
> > > the
> > > > > lead position, or group A.  I honestly am willing to 
devote the
> > > time
> > > > > to any of the activities in our delegation, but I would 
love to
> > > help
> > > > > direct.  I will have the free time after I graduate (I 
really do
> > > cube
> > > > > in all of my free time, so it won't be a big change).
> > > > >
> > > > > However, there is an issue.  On Dec. 19 I am leaving for
> > > California to
> > > > > visit my Grandparents and won't be back until Jan. 6.  
During
> > > this
> > > > > time I won't have any access to the internet whatsoever.
> > > > >
> > > > > In this formative period of team [zb] I don't think it 
would be
> > > good
> > > > > for me to delegate, simply since I will be absent for 
roughly
> > > three
> > > > > weeks very shortly.  I will take my laptop with me and 
analyze
> > > cases
> > > > > and optimize algs while I am gone though.
> > > > >
> > > > > My question is this, what should we do about the lead 
position?
> > > I
> > > >

[zbmethod] Re: Group A delegation

[Doug Lee]

It is H-Orientation with Diagonally swapped corners.

It is a bit uncharted territory... hence it is not yet numbered. I 
was waiting for Chris to finish naming those cases. He told me he'd 
do this (all of them) over break.


-Doug




--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The cases you have listed on that page...what # are they? ie - H1, 
H2,
> etc?
> 
> ~ Bob
> 
> --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I'm aware that I haven't listed all the cases yet but these are 
the
> only one
> > on which I've worked on at the moment and they still need to be
> improved.
> > I'll add all the images later tonight so that you can see what's
> left to do
> > with this case (which H case is it ? H2 or something else ?)
> > 
> > And for the permutation image (not the 3D cube), do you have some
> sort of
> > program or do you do them yourself in paint or something ?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Gilles.
> > 
> > 2005/12/13, Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > >  This site seems to be issing some cases:
> > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/zbll/index.html
> > >
> > > There are typically 12 edge cases if you count mirrors and 
inverses.
> > > Give timings for these, and write them in trigger notation.
> > >
> > > I typically avoid taking a lead role in things, but since it's 
beeen
> > > rather quite and people are itching to do work I'm going to 
give
> > > some suggestions.
> > >
> > > Since Jason is working on T5, he could work on improving those 
algs
> > > and give us timings.
> > >
> > > Since Chris started work on U2, that is his territory.
> > >
> > > I have yet to get a reply about my L1 algs, I would especially
> > > appriciate it if DanH would give those a look since he asked 
about
> > > them a while ago. (Although I'm sure he's busy lately since he
> > > hasn't even posted his L1 list yet, on his site.)
> > >
> > > I am going to post my H1 algs next.
> > >
> > > In general look though the T-Orientation cases and see if 
there's a
> > > rather long one that can be beter executed.
> > >
> > > If anyone has other no CP algs (that are possiblity better 
than what
> > > we already have), now is a good time to post them. I would
> > > especially like revised T1 and U1 algs, since those seem to be 
the
> > > slowest no CP cases..., for me at least.
> > >
> > > If any of you want to work on unexplored territory, claim it 
first
> > > by posting here so that we don't have people working on the
> > > identical thing.
> > >
> > > Collaborate, Divide and Conquer!
> > >
> > >
> > > -Doug
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As you are the only one who has had the leading position,
> > > > could you describe what it consists in ?
> > > >
> > > > Another possibility is giving some "homework" to everyone 
for 3
> > > weeks :p
> > > > If Doug can get us a big list of raw algorithms (so we need 
to
> > > provide him a
> > > > txt file with the cases), I'm sure we could have something 
to do
> > > for that
> > > > period.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think ?
> > > >
> > > > Concerning my case, I'll have mid-terms exams in January so 
my
> > > time will be
> > > > a bit limited from now on for zb-research. But I can surely 
find
> > > at least
> > > > one hour per day to work on zb.
> > > >
> > > > I hope your exams will go well :-)
> > > >
> > > > Gilles.
> > > >
> > > > NB : I learned the entire VH-F2L today :p (not so hard, I 
agree.
> > > mostly
> > > > intuitive algorithms)
> > > >
> > > > 2005/12/13, cmhardw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > >
> > > > >  Hey everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to ask basically what we wanted to do as a group 
about
> > > the
> > > > > lead position, or group A.  I honestly am willing to 
devote the
> > > time
> > > > > to any of the activities in our delegation, but I would 
love to
> > > help
> > > > > direct.  I will have the free time after I graduate (I 
really do
> > > cube
> > > > > in all of my free time, so it won't be a big change).
> > > > >
> > > > > However, there is an issue.  On Dec. 19 I am leaving for
> > > California to
> > > > > visit my Grandparents and won't be back until Jan. 6.  
During
> > > this
> > > > > time I won't have any access to the internet whatsoever.
> > > > >
> > > > > In this formative period of team [zb] I don't think it 
would be
> > > good
> > > > > for me to delegate, simply since I will be absent for 
roughly
> > > three
> > > > > weeks very shortly.  I will take my laptop with me and 
analyze
> > > cases
> > > > > and optimize algs while I am gone though.
> > > > >
> > > > > My question is this, what should we do about the lead 
position?
> > > I
> > > > > would love to really be a part of this group and help each 
of the
> > > > > groups and try to do all of the group activities we need, 
but the
> > > > > truth is that I will be absent for three weeks very soon.
> > > > >

[zbmethod] Re: Group A delegation

[Bob Burton]

The cases you have listed on that page...what # are they? ie - H1, H2,
etc?

~ Bob

--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm aware that I haven't listed all the cases yet but these are the
only one
> on which I've worked on at the moment and they still need to be
improved.
> I'll add all the images later tonight so that you can see what's
left to do
> with this case (which H case is it ? H2 or something else ?)
> 
> And for the permutation image (not the 3D cube), do you have some
sort of
> program or do you do them yourself in paint or something ?
> 
> Thanks,
> Gilles.
> 
> 2005/12/13, Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >  This site seems to be issing some cases:
> > http://www.belgiancubes.be/zbll/index.html
> >
> > There are typically 12 edge cases if you count mirrors and inverses.
> > Give timings for these, and write them in trigger notation.
> >
> > I typically avoid taking a lead role in things, but since it's beeen
> > rather quite and people are itching to do work I'm going to give
> > some suggestions.
> >
> > Since Jason is working on T5, he could work on improving those algs
> > and give us timings.
> >
> > Since Chris started work on U2, that is his territory.
> >
> > I have yet to get a reply about my L1 algs, I would especially
> > appriciate it if DanH would give those a look since he asked about
> > them a while ago. (Although I'm sure he's busy lately since he
> > hasn't even posted his L1 list yet, on his site.)
> >
> > I am going to post my H1 algs next.
> >
> > In general look though the T-Orientation cases and see if there's a
> > rather long one that can be beter executed.
> >
> > If anyone has other no CP algs (that are possiblity better than what
> > we already have), now is a good time to post them. I would
> > especially like revised T1 and U1 algs, since those seem to be the
> > slowest no CP cases..., for me at least.
> >
> > If any of you want to work on unexplored territory, claim it first
> > by posting here so that we don't have people working on the
> > identical thing.
> >
> > Collaborate, Divide and Conquer!
> >
> >
> > -Doug
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > As you are the only one who has had the leading position,
> > > could you describe what it consists in ?
> > >
> > > Another possibility is giving some "homework" to everyone for 3
> > weeks :p
> > > If Doug can get us a big list of raw algorithms (so we need to
> > provide him a
> > > txt file with the cases), I'm sure we could have something to do
> > for that
> > > period.
> > >
> > > What do you think ?
> > >
> > > Concerning my case, I'll have mid-terms exams in January so my
> > time will be
> > > a bit limited from now on for zb-research. But I can surely find
> > at least
> > > one hour per day to work on zb.
> > >
> > > I hope your exams will go well :-)
> > >
> > > Gilles.
> > >
> > > NB : I learned the entire VH-F2L today :p (not so hard, I agree.
> > mostly
> > > intuitive algorithms)
> > >
> > > 2005/12/13, cmhardw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > >
> > > >  Hey everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to ask basically what we wanted to do as a group about
> > the
> > > > lead position, or group A.  I honestly am willing to devote the
> > time
> > > > to any of the activities in our delegation, but I would love to
> > help
> > > > direct.  I will have the free time after I graduate (I really do
> > cube
> > > > in all of my free time, so it won't be a big change).
> > > >
> > > > However, there is an issue.  On Dec. 19 I am leaving for
> > California to
> > > > visit my Grandparents and won't be back until Jan. 6.  During
> > this
> > > > time I won't have any access to the internet whatsoever.
> > > >
> > > > In this formative period of team [zb] I don't think it would be
> > good
> > > > for me to delegate, simply since I will be absent for roughly
> > three
> > > > weeks very shortly.  I will take my laptop with me and analyze
> > cases
> > > > and optimize algs while I am gone though.
> > > >
> > > > My question is this, what should we do about the lead position?
> > I
> > > > would love to really be a part of this group and help each of the
> > > > groups and try to do all of the group activities we need, but the
> > > > truth is that I will be absent for three weeks very soon.
> > > >
> > > > So we need a lead, or preferably more than one in case the other
> > is
> > > > absent.
> > > >
> > > > I am more than willing to dedicate my time to team [zb] and
> > would love
> > > > to do so, but I simply cannot do that until after Jan. 6 next
> > year.
> > > >
> > > > Who else wants to take over in a lead position and make sure the
> > group
> > > > is directed in a good direction?
> > > >
> > > > This organization is so awesome, and I am so excited to see us
> > coming
> > > > together into a real research team.  I hope everyone has a good
> > > > holiday, and in my free time be

Re: [zbmethod] Re: Group A delegation

[Gilles van den Peereboom]

I'm aware that I haven't listed all the cases yet but these are the only one on which I've worked on at the moment and they still need to be improved.I'll add all the images later tonight so that you can see what's left to do with this case (which H case is it ? H2 or something else ?)
And for the permutation image (not the 3D cube), do you have some sort of program or do you do them yourself in paint or something ?Thanks,Gilles.2005/12/13, Doug Lee <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:



This site seems to be issing some cases: 
http://www.belgiancubes.be/zbll/index.html

There are typically 12 edge cases if you count mirrors and inverses. 
Give timings for these, and write them in trigger notation.

I typically avoid taking a lead role in things, but since it's beeen 
rather quite and people are itching to do work I'm going to give 
some suggestions.

Since Jason is working on T5, he could work on improving those algs 
and give us timings.

Since Chris started work on U2, that is his territory.

I have yet to get a reply about my L1 algs, I would especially 
appriciate it if DanH would give those a look since he asked about 
them a while ago. (Although I'm sure he's busy lately since he 
hasn't even posted his L1 list yet, on his site.)

I am going to post my H1 algs next.

In general look though the T-Orientation cases and see if there's a 
rather long one that can be beter executed.

If anyone has other no CP algs (that are possiblity better than what 
we already have), now is a good time to post them. I would 
especially like revised T1 and U1 algs, since those seem to be the 
slowest no CP cases..., for me at least.

If any of you want to work on unexplored territory, claim it first 
by posting here so that we don't have people working on the 
identical thing.

Collaborate, Divide and Conquer!


-Doug



--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> As you are the only one who has had the leading position,
> could you describe what it consists in ?
> 
> Another possibility is giving some "homework" to everyone for 3 
weeks :p
> If Doug can get us a big list of raw algorithms (so we need to 
provide him a
> txt file with the cases), I'm sure we could have something to do 
for that
> period.
> 
> What do you think ?
> 
> Concerning my case, I'll have mid-terms exams in January so my 
time will be
> a bit limited from now on for zb-research. But I can surely find 
at least
> one hour per day to work on zb.
> 
> I hope your exams will go well :-)
> 
> Gilles.
> 
> NB : I learned the entire VH-F2L today :p (not so hard, I agree. 
mostly
> intuitive algorithms)
> 
> 2005/12/13, cmhardw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >  Hey everyone,
> >
> > I wanted to ask basically what we wanted to do as a group about 
the
> > lead position, or group A.  I honestly am willing to devote the 
time
> > to any of the activities in our delegation, but I would love to 
help
> > direct.  I will have the free time after I graduate (I really do 
cube
> > in all of my free time, so it won't be a big change).
> >
> > However, there is an issue.  On Dec. 19 I am leaving for 
California to
> > visit my Grandparents and won't be back until Jan. 6.  During 
this
> > time I won't have any access to the internet whatsoever.
> >
> > In this formative period of team [zb] I don't think it would be 
good
> > for me to delegate, simply since I will be absent for roughly 
three
> > weeks very shortly.  I will take my laptop with me and analyze 
cases
> > and optimize algs while I am gone though.
> >
> > My question is this, what should we do about the lead position?  
I
> > would love to really be a part of this group and help each of the
> > groups and try to do all of the group activities we need, but the
> > truth is that I will be absent for three weeks very soon.
> >
> > So we need a lead, or preferably more than one in case the other 
is
> > absent.
> >
> > I am more than willing to dedicate my time to team [zb] and 
would love
> > to do so, but I simply cannot do that until after Jan. 6 next 
year.
> >
> > Who else wants to take over in a lead position and make sure the 
group
> > is directed in a good direction?
> >
> > This organization is so awesome, and I am so excited to see us 
coming
> > together into a real research team.  I hope everyone has a good
> > holiday, and in my free time between finals up until I leave I 
will
> > try to do as much as I can.  I will only be able to analyze 
cases and
> > generate raw algs while on vacation, but after I return I will 
have
> > the free time and the ability to fully dedicate myself to our 
effort.
> >
> > Let me know what everyone thinks,
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  SPONSORED LINKS
> >   Free puzzle games  Computer
> > puzzle g

[zbmethod] Re: Group A delegation

[Doug Lee]

This site seems to be issing some cases: 
http://www.belgiancubes.be/zbll/index.html

There are typically 12 edge cases if you count mirrors and inverses. 
Give timings for these, and write them in trigger notation.

I typically avoid taking a lead role in things, but since it's beeen 
rather quite and people are itching to do work I'm going to give 
some suggestions.

Since Jason is working on T5, he could work on improving those algs 
and give us timings.

Since Chris started work on U2, that is his territory.

I have yet to get a reply about my L1 algs, I would especially 
appriciate it if DanH would give those a look since he asked about 
them a while ago. (Although I'm sure he's busy lately since he 
hasn't even posted his L1 list yet, on his site.)

I am going to post my H1 algs next.

In general look though the T-Orientation cases and see if there's a 
rather long one that can be beter executed.

If anyone has other no CP algs (that are possiblity better than what 
we already have), now is a good time to post them. I would 
especially like revised T1 and U1 algs, since those seem to be the 
slowest no CP cases..., for me at least.

If any of you want to work on unexplored territory, claim it first 
by posting here so that we don't have people working on the 
identical thing.

Collaborate, Divide and Conquer!


-Doug



--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> As you are the only one who has had the leading position,
> could you describe what it consists in ?
> 
> Another possibility is giving some "homework" to everyone for 3 
weeks :p
> If Doug can get us a big list of raw algorithms (so we need to 
provide him a
> txt file with the cases), I'm sure we could have something to do 
for that
> period.
> 
> What do you think ?
> 
> Concerning my case, I'll have mid-terms exams in January so my 
time will be
> a bit limited from now on for zb-research. But I can surely find 
at least
> one hour per day to work on zb.
> 
> I hope your exams will go well :-)
> 
> Gilles.
> 
> NB : I learned the entire VH-F2L today :p (not so hard, I agree. 
mostly
> intuitive algorithms)
> 
> 2005/12/13, cmhardw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >  Hey everyone,
> >
> > I wanted to ask basically what we wanted to do as a group about 
the
> > lead position, or group A.  I honestly am willing to devote the 
time
> > to any of the activities in our delegation, but I would love to 
help
> > direct.  I will have the free time after I graduate (I really do 
cube
> > in all of my free time, so it won't be a big change).
> >
> > However, there is an issue.  On Dec. 19 I am leaving for 
California to
> > visit my Grandparents and won't be back until Jan. 6.  During 
this
> > time I won't have any access to the internet whatsoever.
> >
> > In this formative period of team [zb] I don't think it would be 
good
> > for me to delegate, simply since I will be absent for roughly 
three
> > weeks very shortly.  I will take my laptop with me and analyze 
cases
> > and optimize algs while I am gone though.
> >
> > My question is this, what should we do about the lead position?  
I
> > would love to really be a part of this group and help each of the
> > groups and try to do all of the group activities we need, but the
> > truth is that I will be absent for three weeks very soon.
> >
> > So we need a lead, or preferably more than one in case the other 
is
> > absent.
> >
> > I am more than willing to dedicate my time to team [zb] and 
would love
> > to do so, but I simply cannot do that until after Jan. 6 next 
year.
> >
> > Who else wants to take over in a lead position and make sure the 
group
> > is directed in a good direction?
> >
> > This organization is so awesome, and I am so excited to see us 
coming
> > together into a real research team.  I hope everyone has a good
> > holiday, and in my free time between finals up until I leave I 
will
> > try to do as much as I can.  I will only be able to analyze 
cases and
> > generate raw algs while on vacation, but after I return I will 
have
> > the free time and the ability to fully dedicate myself to our 
effort.
> >
> > Let me know what everyone thinks,
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  SPONSORED LINKS
> >   Free puzzle games  Computer
> > puzzle game  Puzzle
> > games   Ji