RE: [ZION] War against all of Islam
I know an entire family that would fit that description. Their 8-year-old daughter is in my daughter's class at school. We became friends when both girls were in kindergarten together. Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: > At 17:42 11/9/2002 -0600, St Paul not Minnesota wrote: > >Tell me the name > >of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that their > >nation was dissolved? > > > > Munther Unes. A very fine gentleman if ever I have met one. > > > Till > > > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam
I agree -- the 101st airborne, which is a light division and can be airlifted, as its name implies, was the first *foreign* military on the scene, but they were not the first military forces there. Dan R Allen wrote: > Marc: > I don't think so. The foreigners had to get their assets into place, too. > It > wasn't unilateral. In fact, it's ironic that you're showing this particular > kind > of ignorance on the topic -- it was precisely because the Saudis allowed > foreign, > non-Moslem soldiers on its soil that set bin Laden off. You started off > politically, first with the Saudis, to get permission to move some of the > things > that couldn't be airlifted in (like most of the tanks your army uses). > Light > infantry were only brought in when the infrastructure was in place. And > Canadian, > Australian and British ships can't sail any faster than their U.S. > counterparts > -- they headed for the Gulf months ahead of time, just like the U.S. forces > did. > > Dan: > My recollection is slightly different here Marc: The Airborne Divisions > were the first in. They were there to provide defense against a possible > thrust into Saudi Arabia, and the area around the shipyards so that the > heavy material had a place to stage from. > Beyond that you're right: everybody had to get their equipment there and > sorted out before anything could get started. > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam
At 17:42 11/9/2002 -0600, St Paul not Minnesota wrote: Tell me the name of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that their nation was dissolved? Munther Unes. A very fine gentleman if ever I have met one. Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam
Marc: I don't think so. The foreigners had to get their assets into place, too. It wasn't unilateral. In fact, it's ironic that you're showing this particular kind of ignorance on the topic -- it was precisely because the Saudis allowed foreign, non-Moslem soldiers on its soil that set bin Laden off. You started off politically, first with the Saudis, to get permission to move some of the things that couldn't be airlifted in (like most of the tanks your army uses). Light infantry were only brought in when the infrastructure was in place. And Canadian, Australian and British ships can't sail any faster than their U.S. counterparts -- they headed for the Gulf months ahead of time, just like the U.S. forces did. Dan: My recollection is slightly different here Marc: The Airborne Divisions were the first in. They were there to provide defense against a possible thrust into Saudi Arabia, and the area around the shipyards so that the heavy material had a place to stage from. Beyond that you're right: everybody had to get their equipment there and sorted out before anything could get started. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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At 23:18 11/8/2002 -0800, Stacey wrote: Where do the Mexicans align themselves? Certainly not at a border crossing! Till the ever-watchful / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam
> Dan: > What do you consider as first? IIRC, we did start troop movements, but the > first bombs didn't drop until after the coalition was in place. Jon: That's my point. it was a LOOONNGGG time between the two events. We are not even near the point where bombs would drop, and President Bush seems to be building his coalition much better than most anyone thought. of course, only time will tell. The big election wins didn't hurt his efforts one bit. Dan: Granted - at least when measured against the length of time of actual fighting. But again, IIRC, most of the delay was due to our inefficiency in moving the heavy armor and supplies over there. We really didn't have much in the way of forward bases before then, and we needed to create a line of defense before we could get serious about going on the offensive. Saudi was clearly on board at the very start; we couldn't have started moving troops until then. I think the announcement of the coalition was delayed until we were on the ground and ready to go. This battle will be different - and this is only a battle in a _very_ long war; because the situation is different. We already have a lot of material there, we have troops on the ground training already, and the tactics will most likely be "search and destroy" vs. "denial of ground" type missions. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: >Do we wait until Islam engulfs the nations and becomes a giant >threat,before we "encourage" it to stand down and live peacefully among >the nations of the world? John: Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become "a giant threat" that "engulfs the nations?" That seems rather unlikely to me regardless of we do or don't do. Dan: IIRC, there is a cleric in England that has declared his intention of making that country Islamic using whatever means necessary. Whether or not he succeeds is one thing, but part of my recollection is that he also spoke out justifying the 9/11 attacks. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam
In addition, there are Christian Arabs who feel the same way about the modern Jewish state. I can't name the author right now, but perhaps you can find it on the internet. Read a book entitled BLOOD BROTHERS and then tell me how you feel about the issue. I played hookey today but for a good reason. Last night a friend called me in dire stress. She talked to me the greater part of the night and also the night before. Under the circumstances I felt too sleepy to go to church at the usual time. But I'm going to a fireside tonight and then to church next week and probably the temple at some point after I get my recommend renewed (probably a formality at this point). Stacy. At 12:07 AM 11/10/2002 -0600, you wrote: Stacy wrote back: >Why doesn't he count? He claims as a Muslim he didn't hate Jews either, >only the way modern Israel came into being. I'll name another one who >claims to have loved all people. He even married a Christian woman while >he was Muslim, namely my sister. He is from Turkey. His name is Tahir >Sozutek. Need other examples? Ok. Marc was right. Your pin popped my universal balloon but I think you get my drift. My observations are that Muslims generally don't like the Jews. I suppose the reverse is probably true too. I don't know. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam
Stacy wrote back: >Why doesn't he count? He claims as a Muslim he didn't hate Jews either, >only the way modern Israel came into being. I'll name another one who >claims to have loved all people. He even married a Christian woman while >he was Muslim, namely my sister. He is from Turkey. His name is Tahir >Sozutek. Need other examples? Ok. Marc was right. Your pin popped my universal balloon but I think you get my drift. My observations are that Muslims generally don't like the Jews. I suppose the reverse is probably true too. I don't know. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam
There are other sections of the Qur'an, it is true, that tell the soldiers to slaughter unbelievers, but when one talks to most Muslims they claim that this was during the first wars in self-defense from Christian and Jewish opposition and that this has not always held true. At times Christians, Jews and Muslims lived in harmony with one another. It is mostly the Palistinians who want all Jews out of Israel, not destroyed, just out of the Holy land. If one talks to American Muslims, Turkish Muslims, etc., one gets an entirely different picture. The first name I mentioned was someone who practiced Islam devoutly from age 15 to, well, about 12 years. He fulfilled a semi-pilgrimage to Mecca during that time and studied in Saudi Arabia. Stacy. At 09:10 PM 11/09/2002 -0700, you wrote: No, they're "beni Israel" (the title of one of the Suras of the Qur'an), meaning by way of connotation that they, along with Christians, are "children of the Book" and are to be treated with respect. It's not just Christians who are hypocrites and misread their own scriptures. True infidels are actually those who do not believe in a form of monotheism, according to "pure" Islam. Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. The vast majority of Sunni and Ismaili Muslims, which are the branches I'm most familiar with, and to which persuasions most of the Moslems I have met belong to, are more tolerant by far than our media portrays. There's no news to ordinariness. I've only ever known well one Iranian, and he was from a Turkmen minority group who are Sunni, so I'm not sure if I even know any Shiites. Many Moslems are like Christians, too -- they are really Muslim in name only, and tend to be rather secular (most Egyptians and Palestinians I have met, let alone Turks, are like that). But Palestinians are in a difficult position, as we all know, and there is a lot of polarization going on there. That's what happened in Chechnya. There has never been any love lost between the Chechens and the Russians, dating back to when Peter the Great conquered the Caucasus's northern slopes for the Empire, but Chechens have mostly been secular, and are using Islam as a means of militarizing their nationalism. Paul Osborne wrote: > No. I would say that person wasn't a true Muslim. Are not the Jews > infidels? > > Paul O > > On Sat, 09 Nov 2002 19:42:45 -0700 "Marc A. Schindler" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Suppose I were to tell you one. What would be your reaction? Would > > you change > > your mind? > > > > Paul Osborne wrote: > > > > > >I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it > > just the > > > >Islamist factions? > > > > > > Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into > > Armageddon and > > > their whole religion will support it. Babylon must fall. Tell me > > the name > > > of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that > > their > > > nation was dissolved? > > > > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > Only $9.95 per month! > > Visit www.juno.com > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam
Why doesn't he count? He claims as a Muslim he didn't hate Jews either, only the way modern Israel came into being. I'll name another one who claims to have loved all people. He even married a Christian woman while he was Muslim, namely my sister. He is from Turkey. His name is Tahir Sozutek. Need other examples? Stacy. At 09:14 PM 11/09/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Muhammad Karim, ex-Muslim and Christian. He only disapproves of the way >that modern Israel as a nation came into existence. He doesn't count. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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That's the problem with universal statements. They're like balloons -- it only takes one pin to burst them. Paul Osborne wrote: > >Muhammad Karim, ex-Muslim and Christian. He only disapproves of the way > > >that modern Israel as a nation came into existence. > > He doesn't count. > > Paul O > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > Only $9.95 per month! > > Visit www.juno.com > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam
No, they're "beni Israel" (the title of one of the Suras of the Qur'an), meaning by way of connotation that they, along with Christians, are "children of the Book" and are to be treated with respect. It's not just Christians who are hypocrites and misread their own scriptures. True infidels are actually those who do not believe in a form of monotheism, according to "pure" Islam. Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. The vast majority of Sunni and Ismaili Muslims, which are the branches I'm most familiar with, and to which persuasions most of the Moslems I have met belong to, are more tolerant by far than our media portrays. There's no news to ordinariness. I've only ever known well one Iranian, and he was from a Turkmen minority group who are Sunni, so I'm not sure if I even know any Shiites. Many Moslems are like Christians, too -- they are really Muslim in name only, and tend to be rather secular (most Egyptians and Palestinians I have met, let alone Turks, are like that). But Palestinians are in a difficult position, as we all know, and there is a lot of polarization going on there. That's what happened in Chechnya. There has never been any love lost between the Chechens and the Russians, dating back to when Peter the Great conquered the Caucasus's northern slopes for the Empire, but Chechens have mostly been secular, and are using Islam as a means of militarizing their nationalism. Paul Osborne wrote: > No. I would say that person wasn't a true Muslim. Are not the Jews > infidels? > > Paul O > > On Sat, 09 Nov 2002 19:42:45 -0700 "Marc A. Schindler" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Suppose I were to tell you one. What would be your reaction? Would > > you change > > your mind? > > > > Paul Osborne wrote: > > > > > >I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it > > just the > > > >Islamist factions? > > > > > > Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into > > Armageddon and > > > their whole religion will support it. Babylon must fall. Tell me > > the name > > > of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that > > their > > > nation was dissolved? > > > > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > Only $9.95 per month! > > Visit www.juno.com > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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>Muhammad Karim, ex-Muslim and Christian. He only disapproves of the way >that modern Israel as a nation came into existence. He doesn't count. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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No. I would say that person wasn't a true Muslim. Are not the Jews infidels? Paul O On Sat, 09 Nov 2002 19:42:45 -0700 "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Suppose I were to tell you one. What would be your reaction? Would > you change > your mind? > > Paul Osborne wrote: > > > >I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it > just the > > >Islamist factions? > > > > Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into > Armageddon and > > their whole religion will support it. Babylon must fall. Tell me > the name > > of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that > their > > nation was dissolved? Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam
Muhammad Karim, ex-Muslim and Christian. He only disapproves of the way that modern Israel as a nation came into existence. Stacy. At 05:42 PM 11/09/2002 -0600, you wrote: >I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the >Islamist factions? Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into Armageddon and their whole religion will support it. Babylon must fall. Tell me the name of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that their nation was dissolved? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Possibly, but I doubt it. You see, I'm not happy with the way in which the modern Israel was created. It's my contention that the gathering of spiritual Israel began before the political figures got involved and the gathering of the Jews to their homeland wasn't supposed to be happening until Jesus came back. Stacy. At 07:42 PM 11/09/2002 -0700, you wrote: Suppose I were to tell you one. What would be your reaction? Would you change your mind? Paul Osborne wrote: > >I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the > >Islamist factions? > > Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into Armageddon and > their whole religion will support it. Babylon must fall. Tell me the name > of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that their > nation was dissolved? > > Paul O > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > Only $9.95 per month! > > Visit www.juno.com > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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Suppose I were to tell you one. What would be your reaction? Would you change your mind? Paul Osborne wrote: > >I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the > >Islamist factions? > > Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into Armageddon and > their whole religion will support it. Babylon must fall. Tell me the name > of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that their > nation was dissolved? > > Paul O > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > Only $9.95 per month! > > Visit www.juno.com > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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>I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the >Islamist factions? Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into Armageddon and their whole religion will support it. Babylon must fall. Tell me the name of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that their nation was dissolved? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Ennh, a little of both, I think. It wasn't so much on the Commonwealth's behalf that my knickers were a-twistin' but on behalf of your *Arab* allies. Forget about them? You had to get Saudi's cooperation *first* before *anything* could happen. And Egypt came on side very quickly. You also needed Turkey's airbases, which you got immediately, before any troops landed in Riyadh or Doha. And you still haven't answered my question: who was the overall commander of Desert Storm? Hint: it wasn't Stormin' Norman, as valuable and competent as he and his troops were. Jon Spencer wrote: > Marc, you just have to slow down and READ posts before you respond. > > I'll let you reread my post (that you included in your response), then read > your response, and then apologize :-) > > Jon > > - Original Message - > From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 12:23 PM > Subject: Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam > > I don't think so. The foreigners had to get their assets into place, too. It > wasn't unilateral. In fact, it's ironic that you're showing this particular > kind > of ignorance on the topic -- it was precisely because the Saudis allowed > foreign, > non-Moslem soldiers on its soil that set bin Laden off. You started off > politically, first with the Saudis, to get permission to move some of the > things > that couldn't be airlifted in (like most of the tanks your army uses). Light > infantry were only brought in when the infrastructure was in place. And > Canadian, > Australian and British ships can't sail any faster than their U.S. > counterparts > -- they headed for the Gulf months ahead of time, just like the U.S. forces > did. > > Jon Spencer wrote: > > > Marc, that's great! You can now go to those books and read how we put > > people into the area immediately, and then built up our forces > unilaterally > > over a several month period before ever establishing an international > > coalition. Now just as then, we had some instant allies such as the > British > > Commonwealth. However, the rant and rave that I hear from the left is > that > > that is not an international coalition. > > > > Well, now we seem to be gaining one. Just like then. > > > > After you refresh your recollections, you can thank me for helping restore > > your memory! :-) > > > > Jon > > > > Marc A. Schindler wrote: > > > > Jon Spencer wrote: > > > > > > By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, > under > > > Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way > > > around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? > > (Dan, > > > I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of > > > this post.) > > > > > > > Really? Then how did all those British, Canadian, Australian, Egyptian, > > Saudi, > > Omani, UAE-ese, Turkish, French, lessee, Qatari, Yemeni troops, > planes, > > and > > ships get there along with the US forces? Do you know who the Commander > in > > Chief > > of Desert Storm was? I have the whole order of battle on my bookshelf. > > > > > > / > > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > > > > / > > > > -- > Marc A. Schindler > Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland > > "Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will > pick > himself up and continue on" - Winston Churchill > > Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the > author > solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the author's > employer, > nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. > > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > > / > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// >
Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam
Marc, you just have to slow down and READ posts before you respond. I'll let you reread my post (that you included in your response), then read your response, and then apologize :-) Jon - Original Message - From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam I don't think so. The foreigners had to get their assets into place, too. It wasn't unilateral. In fact, it's ironic that you're showing this particular kind of ignorance on the topic -- it was precisely because the Saudis allowed foreign, non-Moslem soldiers on its soil that set bin Laden off. You started off politically, first with the Saudis, to get permission to move some of the things that couldn't be airlifted in (like most of the tanks your army uses). Light infantry were only brought in when the infrastructure was in place. And Canadian, Australian and British ships can't sail any faster than their U.S. counterparts -- they headed for the Gulf months ahead of time, just like the U.S. forces did. Jon Spencer wrote: > Marc, that's great! You can now go to those books and read how we put > people into the area immediately, and then built up our forces unilaterally > over a several month period before ever establishing an international > coalition. Now just as then, we had some instant allies such as the British > Commonwealth. However, the rant and rave that I hear from the left is that > that is not an international coalition. > > Well, now we seem to be gaining one. Just like then. > > After you refresh your recollections, you can thank me for helping restore > your memory! :-) > > Jon > > Marc A. Schindler wrote: > > Jon Spencer wrote: > > > > By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under > > Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way > > around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? > (Dan, > > I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of > > this post.) > > > > Really? Then how did all those British, Canadian, Australian, Egyptian, > Saudi, > Omani, UAE-ese, Turkish, French, lessee, Qatari, Yemeni troops, planes, > and > ships get there along with the US forces? Do you know who the Commander in > Chief > of Desert Storm was? I have the whole order of battle on my bookshelf. > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on" - Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the author's employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Let me answer this by explaining a cartoon that was in a recent New Yorker. A bunch of Crusaders are leaving a Muslim city (there's a minaret in the background) with loot on their horses, and the city in flames. They're up on a ridge, looking down into a valley filled with a grove of olive trees. One Crusader turns to the other and says, "Remember, it's all about olive oil." Stacy Smith wrote: > You make some interesting points there. But I have another question which > I think is very relevant. It seems wrong to me even in the face of oil > interests to consider Saudi Arabia on our side. Why can't we stop treating > them as allies, especially in light of their Islamist tendencies? > > Stacy. > > At 11:06 AM 11/09/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > >Stacy, here's another link I found. While Mexico has been traditionally > >neutral > >and non-interventionist (which, in the Wall Street Journal's eyes makes it > >"leftist"), they have, as previously stated, agreed, along with the rest > >of the > >Security Council on this last week's resolution on Iraq. This link is useful > >because it makes some of the points we Canadians try to make, too; namely, > >that > >allies are supposed to be treated as equals, not condescended to (as Pat > >Buchanan, > >who appeals to the trailer park trash counterpart to Howard Stern's > >demographic, > >did): http://www.hispanicvista.com/html2/110302thompson.htm > > > >Stacy Smith wrote: > > > > > Where do the Mexicans align themselves? > > > > > > Stacy. > > > > > > >-- > >Marc A. Schindler > >Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland > > > >Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he > >will pick > >himself up and continue on Winston Churchill > > > >Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author > >solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors > >employer, > >nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. > > > >/ > >/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > >/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > >/ > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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There are Jewish fundamentalist groups who are planning to do exactly that, actually. Fortunately they're kept in check, but every now and then one of them gets loose and does something stupid, like the shooting in Hebron at the Tomb of the Patriarchs a few years ago. Paul Osborne wrote: > >If Jewish and Christian fundies don't beat them to it by attacking the > Temple > >Mount. > > Well, anything is possible. But--you have to consider that the Jews had > their chance and still do--but they don't overstep their bounds by > attacking that disgusting dome. The Muslims are a force that can't be > trusted. Remember what they did in Iran when Carter was President? The > religion of Islam is a dangerous threat to the whole world and it is > antichrist for sure. God will destroy all the millions of Muslims who > come up against Judah in the last days at Armageddon. Islam will fall by > a mighty hand and will not survive into the millennium. That is my > prediction. > > Paul O > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > Only $9.95 per month! > > Visit www.juno.com > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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My suggestion is to FIRST elect GBH and THEN get rid of Bush. Jon > Let's get rid of Bush and elect Hinckley. I should have written his name in. > > Stacy. > > At 01:31 AM 11/09/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >But we have both! > > > >Jon > > > > > I'd rather have Hinckley than Bush. > > > > > > Stacy. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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To my understanding, Saudia Arabia is the next most Islamist state around next to Iraq now. They seem to be the most strict observers. Stacy. At 10:23 AM 11/09/2002 -0700, you wrote: I don't think so. The foreigners had to get their assets into place, too. It wasn't unilateral. In fact, it's ironic that you're showing this particular kind of ignorance on the topic -- it was precisely because the Saudis allowed foreign, non-Moslem soldiers on its soil that set bin Laden off. You started off politically, first with the Saudis, to get permission to move some of the things that couldn't be airlifted in (like most of the tanks your army uses). Light infantry were only brought in when the infrastructure was in place. And Canadian, Australian and British ships can't sail any faster than their U.S. counterparts -- they headed for the Gulf months ahead of time, just like the U.S. forces did. Jon Spencer wrote: > Marc, that's great! You can now go to those books and read how we put > people into the area immediately, and then built up our forces unilaterally > over a several month period before ever establishing an international > coalition. Now just as then, we had some instant allies such as the British > Commonwealth. However, the rant and rave that I hear from the left is that > that is not an international coalition. > > Well, now we seem to be gaining one. Just like then. > > After you refresh your recollections, you can thank me for helping restore > your memory! :-) > > Jon > > Marc A. Schindler wrote: > > Jon Spencer wrote: > > > > By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under > > Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way > > around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? > (Dan, > > I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of > > this post.) > > > > Really? Then how did all those British, Canadian, Australian, Egyptian, > Saudi, > Omani, UAE-ese, Turkish, French, lessee, Qatari, Yemeni troops, planes, > and > ships get there along with the US forces? Do you know who the Commander in > Chief > of Desert Storm was? I have the whole order of battle on my bookshelf. > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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By the way, I had quite a discussion in Gospel Doctrine last week on the Zionist movement. I saw the original Zionist movement in 1948 as quite improper and that the Jews had no business coming back to the Holy Land until the Messiah, Jesus, should come the second time. Stacy. At 11:06 AM 11/09/2002 -0700, you wrote: Stacy, here's another link I found. While Mexico has been traditionally neutral and non-interventionist (which, in the Wall Street Journal's eyes makes it "leftist"), they have, as previously stated, agreed, along with the rest of the Security Council on this last week's resolution on Iraq. This link is useful because it makes some of the points we Canadians try to make, too; namely, that allies are supposed to be treated as equals, not condescended to (as Pat Buchanan, who appeals to the trailer park trash counterpart to Howard Stern's demographic, did): http://www.hispanicvista.com/html2/110302thompson.htm Stacy Smith wrote: > Where do the Mexicans align themselves? > > Stacy. > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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You make some interesting points there. But I have another question which I think is very relevant. It seems wrong to me even in the face of oil interests to consider Saudi Arabia on our side. Why can't we stop treating them as allies, especially in light of their Islamist tendencies? Stacy. At 11:06 AM 11/09/2002 -0700, you wrote: Stacy, here's another link I found. While Mexico has been traditionally neutral and non-interventionist (which, in the Wall Street Journal's eyes makes it "leftist"), they have, as previously stated, agreed, along with the rest of the Security Council on this last week's resolution on Iraq. This link is useful because it makes some of the points we Canadians try to make, too; namely, that allies are supposed to be treated as equals, not condescended to (as Pat Buchanan, who appeals to the trailer park trash counterpart to Howard Stern's demographic, did): http://www.hispanicvista.com/html2/110302thompson.htm Stacy Smith wrote: > Where do the Mexicans align themselves? > > Stacy. > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the Islamist factions? Stacy. At 12:09 PM 11/09/2002 -0600, you wrote: >If Jewish and Christian fundies don't beat them to it by attacking the Temple >Mount. Well, anything is possible. But--you have to consider that the Jews had their chance and still do--but they don't overstep their bounds by attacking that disgusting dome. The Muslims are a force that can't be trusted. Remember what they did in Iran when Carter was President? The religion of Islam is a dangerous threat to the whole world and it is antichrist for sure. God will destroy all the millions of Muslims who come up against Judah in the last days at Armageddon. Islam will fall by a mighty hand and will not survive into the millennium. That is my prediction. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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>As crazy as it sounds, I'd rather have Christian fundis in the government >than Islamists any time. > >Stacy. Me too! Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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>If Jewish and Christian fundies don't beat them to it by attacking the Temple >Mount. Well, anything is possible. But--you have to consider that the Jews had their chance and still do--but they don't overstep their bounds by attacking that disgusting dome. The Muslims are a force that can't be trusted. Remember what they did in Iran when Carter was President? The religion of Islam is a dangerous threat to the whole world and it is antichrist for sure. God will destroy all the millions of Muslims who come up against Judah in the last days at Armageddon. Islam will fall by a mighty hand and will not survive into the millennium. That is my prediction. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Stacy, here's another link I found. While Mexico has been traditionally neutral and non-interventionist (which, in the Wall Street Journal's eyes makes it "leftist"), they have, as previously stated, agreed, along with the rest of the Security Council on this last week's resolution on Iraq. This link is useful because it makes some of the points we Canadians try to make, too; namely, that allies are supposed to be treated as equals, not condescended to (as Pat Buchanan, who appeals to the trailer park trash counterpart to Howard Stern's demographic, did): http://www.hispanicvista.com/html2/110302thompson.htm Stacy Smith wrote: > Where do the Mexicans align themselves? > > Stacy. > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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>Let's get rid of Bush and elect Hinckley. I should have written his name in. I've thought of that before but it is a wasted vote. I would rather spend my vote on someone who can win rather than allow the worst candidate to win. Bush was the only real choice in the last election. To vote for one of the no accounts was a vote for Gore and the results of the ballot count proved that. So, that means that JWR voted for Al Gore!! Sorry, John--you can't win em all. Ha ha ha ha haha ha h Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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They did not take part in the Gulf War and are against any unilateral moves against Iraq, but voted with the rest of the Security Council in unanimously adopting the most recent resolution regarding Iraq. The most current information I could find on the Mexican Foreign Affairs site are links to two documents, but the documents apparently are mislinked or are not on the server, but the descriptions give you the general idea: http://www.sre.gob.mx/ayuda/comunicados.search (type in "Irak" and it will return 2 documents. For indirect (press) statements, see: http://www.thenewsmexico.com/noticia.asp?id=39264 (Mexico currently has one of the 10 seats reserved for countries other than the permanent members [US, Russia, Britain, China and France] on a rotating basis) Stacy Smith wrote: > Where do the Mexicans align themselves? > > Stacy. > > At 02:01 AM 11/09/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >Marc, that's great! You can now go to those books and read how we put > >people into the area immediately, and then built up our forces unilaterally > >over a several month period before ever establishing an international > >coalition. Now just as then, we had some instant allies such as the British > >Commonwealth. However, the rant and rave that I hear from the left is that > >that is not an international coalition. > > > >Well, now we seem to be gaining one. Just like then. > > > >After you refresh your recollections, you can thank me for helping restore > >your memory! :-) > > > >Jon > > > >Marc A. Schindler wrote: > > > >Jon Spencer wrote: > > > > > > By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under > > > Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way > > > around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? > >(Dan, > > > I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of > > > this post.) > > > > > > >Really? Then how did all those British, Canadian, Australian, Egyptian, > >Saudi, > >Omani, UAE-ese, Turkish, French, lessee, Qatari, Yemeni troops, planes, > >and > >ships get there along with the US forces? Do you know who the Commander in > >Chief > >of Desert Storm was? I have the whole order of battle on my bookshelf. > > > >/ > >/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > >/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > >/ > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/10/2002 > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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I don't think so. The foreigners had to get their assets into place, too. It wasn't unilateral. In fact, it's ironic that you're showing this particular kind of ignorance on the topic -- it was precisely because the Saudis allowed foreign, non-Moslem soldiers on its soil that set bin Laden off. You started off politically, first with the Saudis, to get permission to move some of the things that couldn't be airlifted in (like most of the tanks your army uses). Light infantry were only brought in when the infrastructure was in place. And Canadian, Australian and British ships can't sail any faster than their U.S. counterparts -- they headed for the Gulf months ahead of time, just like the U.S. forces did. Jon Spencer wrote: > Marc, that's great! You can now go to those books and read how we put > people into the area immediately, and then built up our forces unilaterally > over a several month period before ever establishing an international > coalition. Now just as then, we had some instant allies such as the British > Commonwealth. However, the rant and rave that I hear from the left is that > that is not an international coalition. > > Well, now we seem to be gaining one. Just like then. > > After you refresh your recollections, you can thank me for helping restore > your memory! :-) > > Jon > > Marc A. Schindler wrote: > > Jon Spencer wrote: > > > > By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under > > Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way > > around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? > (Dan, > > I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of > > this post.) > > > > Really? Then how did all those British, Canadian, Australian, Egyptian, > Saudi, > Omani, UAE-ese, Turkish, French, lessee, Qatari, Yemeni troops, planes, > and > ships get there along with the US forces? Do you know who the Commander in > Chief > of Desert Storm was? I have the whole order of battle on my bookshelf. > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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As crazy as it sounds, I'd rather have Christian fundis in the government than Islamists any time. Stacy. At 09:20 AM 11/09/2002 -0700, you wrote: If Jewish and Christian fundies don't beat them to it by attacking the Temple Mount. Paul Osborne wrote: > JWR asked: > >Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become "a giant > > >threat" that "engulfs the nations?" That seems rather unlikely to me > >regardless of we do or don't do. > > You better believe it. The Islamic fundies are the ones that are going to > bring to pass Armageddon as the rest of the world charges into the great > final battle. Those Muslims are going to attack the Jews and the Jews > will have no choice but to launch all of their nuclear weapons. The whole > thing can be laid squarely on the shoulders of the Muslims. They are > going to be the cause of WWIII. > > IMO, of course. > > Paul O > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > Only $9.95 per month! > > Visit www.juno.com > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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If Jewish and Christian fundies don't beat them to it by attacking the Temple Mount. Paul Osborne wrote: > JWR asked: > >Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become "a giant > > >threat" that "engulfs the nations?" That seems rather unlikely to me > >regardless of we do or don't do. > > You better believe it. The Islamic fundies are the ones that are going to > bring to pass Armageddon as the rest of the world charges into the great > final battle. Those Muslims are going to attack the Jews and the Jews > will have no choice but to launch all of their nuclear weapons. The whole > thing can be laid squarely on the shoulders of the Muslims. They are > going to be the cause of WWIII. > > IMO, of course. > > Paul O > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > Only $9.95 per month! > > Visit www.juno.com > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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Let's get rid of Bush and elect Hinckley. I should have written his name in. Stacy. At 01:31 AM 11/09/2002 -0500, you wrote: But we have both! Jon > I'd rather have Hinckley than Bush. > > Stacy. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Where do the Mexicans align themselves? Stacy. At 02:01 AM 11/09/2002 -0500, you wrote: Marc, that's great! You can now go to those books and read how we put people into the area immediately, and then built up our forces unilaterally over a several month period before ever establishing an international coalition. Now just as then, we had some instant allies such as the British Commonwealth. However, the rant and rave that I hear from the left is that that is not an international coalition. Well, now we seem to be gaining one. Just like then. After you refresh your recollections, you can thank me for helping restore your memory! :-) Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Jon Spencer wrote: > > By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under > Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way > around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? (Dan, > I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of > this post.) > Really? Then how did all those British, Canadian, Australian, Egyptian, Saudi, Omani, UAE-ese, Turkish, French, lessee, Qatari, Yemeni troops, planes, and ships get there along with the US forces? Do you know who the Commander in Chief of Desert Storm was? I have the whole order of battle on my bookshelf. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/10/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Marc, that's great! You can now go to those books and read how we put people into the area immediately, and then built up our forces unilaterally over a several month period before ever establishing an international coalition. Now just as then, we had some instant allies such as the British Commonwealth. However, the rant and rave that I hear from the left is that that is not an international coalition. Well, now we seem to be gaining one. Just like then. After you refresh your recollections, you can thank me for helping restore your memory! :-) Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Jon Spencer wrote: > > By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under > Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way > around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? (Dan, > I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of > this post.) > Really? Then how did all those British, Canadian, Australian, Egyptian, Saudi, Omani, UAE-ese, Turkish, French, lessee, Qatari, Yemeni troops, planes, and ships get there along with the US forces? Do you know who the Commander in Chief of Desert Storm was? I have the whole order of battle on my bookshelf. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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I am happy and humbled to have been of such great service to you! Let me know, and I will repeat my performance for you. Jon John W. Redelfs wrote: > You have no idea how that puts my mind at ease. I cannot tell you how glad > I am that I live in a day when wars are carefully controlled events. It > used to be that at the beginning of a war not even the top generals knew > how it was going to progress. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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But we have both! Jon > I'd rather have Hinckley than Bush. > > Stacy. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Dan R Allen wrote: > Dan: > As do I, although I'm not so sure that won't lead us into untenable > situations - mainly because his decisions are only going to be as good as > his sources. True, but I think that he is fairly wide about which sources to trust. At least, that's how it appears to me at this point. > > Jon: > By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under > Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way > around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? > (Dan, > I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of > this post.) > > Dan: > What do you consider as first? IIRC, we did start troop movements, but the > first bombs didn't drop until after the coalition was in place. That's my point. it was a LOOONNGGG time between the two events. We are not even near the point where bombs would drop, and President Bush seems to be building his coalition much better than most anyone thought. of course, only time will tell. The big election wins didn't hurt his efforts one bit. > > Also, regarding the Russians; they agreed not to attack us outright, but > did leave Russian owned anti-air equipment in Iraq for Saddam to use. True, > it didn't help him much, but their compliance with the agreement was kinda > halfhearted. Yep. I sort of made that point a bit earlier in my comments about the trade issues. Old hatreds die hard, and the end of the cold war is hard for some on both sides to accept. > > I'm not suggesting that they will renege on their votes, but they are > pretty skilled at skirting along the edges. This I will definitely grant you! Jon / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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I want to assure you that not all Muslims want this but I believe the Islamists do. Stacy. At 11:12 PM 11/08/2002 -0600, you wrote: JWR asked: >Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become "a giant >threat" that "engulfs the nations?" That seems rather unlikely to me >regardless of we do or don't do. You better believe it. The Islamic fundies are the ones that are going to bring to pass Armageddon as the rest of the world charges into the great final battle. Those Muslims are going to attack the Jews and the Jews will have no choice but to launch all of their nuclear weapons. The whole thing can be laid squarely on the shoulders of the Muslims. They are going to be the cause of WWIII. IMO, of course. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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JWR asked: >Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become "a giant >threat" that "engulfs the nations?" That seems rather unlikely to me >regardless of we do or don't do. You better believe it. The Islamic fundies are the ones that are going to bring to pass Armageddon as the rest of the world charges into the great final battle. Those Muslims are going to attack the Jews and the Jews will have no choice but to launch all of their nuclear weapons. The whole thing can be laid squarely on the shoulders of the Muslims. They are going to be the cause of WWIII. IMO, of course. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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It might surprise many to hear this, because of what we hear in the popular press, but actually Christianity is growing faster than Islam is. It's growing in 3rd world countries with high birth rates, though, so it's "centre of gravity" as it were, is moving away from Canterbury, the Vatican, and even SLC. "John W. Redelfs" wrote: > After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: > >Do we wait until Islam engulfs the nations and becomes a giant > >threat,before we "encourage" it to stand down and live peacefully among > >the nations of the world? > > Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become "a giant > threat" that "engulfs the nations?" That seems rather unlikely to me > regardless of we do or don't do. > > John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] > === > Laurie got offended that I used the word "puke." But to > me, that's what her dinner tasted like. --Jack Handy > === > All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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That's the way I originally thought. However, if Iraq really has biological and chemical weapons and are on their way again to develop nuclear weapons but they have the capacity to destroy us, antagonizing them further will make them attack us for sure. Stacy. At 06:46 PM 11/08/2002 -0600, you wrote: But sometimes one must stand up for what is right. Capt Moroni didn't back down from the threat of the kingmen. He could have rolled over, fearing war, and allowed the free republic they had become a kingdom. But he realized that freedom, religion, and their families were more important than keeping the peace. We tried staying out of WWI and WWII. Instead, we found that the longer we stayed out, the more entrenched the enemy became. It would have been much easier to defeat Japan and Germany while they were still within their own national boundaries. Maintaining the Phillipine Islands would have been easier than retaking it. And so it was with all those other islands we recovered. Do we wait until Islam engulfs the nations and becomes a giant threat, before we "encourage" it to stand down and live peacefully among the nations of the world? Or do we step in early, while it is easier? Pres Hinckley, speaking about children, told a story of a tree he planted. Years later it was growing crooked, and he couldn't work it, even with a wench. So he had to cut a major branch off. Had he watched it when it was young, a little string would have corrected it. I'm not saying we need to be Mom and Pop to all the world, but we need to watch for global threats and be ready to nip them in the bud, or else have even more dangerous conflicts later on. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html "No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will then incite the entire Islamic world and all will turn against us. Stacy. Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: Do we wait until Islam engulfs the nations and becomes a giant threat,before we "encourage" it to stand down and live peacefully among the nations of the world? Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become "a giant threat" that "engulfs the nations?" That seems rather unlikely to me regardless of we do or don't do. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Laurie got offended that I used the word "puke." But to me, that's what her dinner tasted like. --Jack Handy === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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>Ah, but I would ("be so sure of that")! You see, unlike some on this
list,
>I am willing to be led by President Bush. I believe that he is honest
and
>sincere, and that he is no idiot. I don't take everything as gospel,
and I
>don't agree with some of what he wants to do, but he will not lead us
into
>untenable situations.
Amen.
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Jon Spencer wrote: > > > By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under > Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way > around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? (Dan, > I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of > this post.) > Really? Then how did all those British, Canadian, Australian, Egyptian, Saudi, Omani, UAE-ese, Turkish, French, lessee, Qatari, Yemeni troops, planes, and ships get there along with the US forces? Do you know who the Commander in Chief of Desert Storm was? I have the whole order of battle on my bookshelf. > > Jon > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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Jon Spencer wrote: > Quite a jump there, JWR! You mentioned Russia and China, and I shot them > down. That's all. > > And yes, I am quite certain, especially after today's UN vote, that not a > single solitary country will join Iraq against us. > > That is absolutely correct. > I don't think that was ever in question. The issue was who would *join* with you. That still remains to be seen. But I still have this prognostication hanging out there which says that once the mid-term elections were over, the pressure would ease, and there'll be no war. We'll see if I'm right, I guess. > > Jon > > John W. Redelfs asked: > > > After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: > > >It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially > > >considering their votes today in the UN. > > > > > > So you are absolutely sure that if we attack Iraq that no other country > > will get involved against us, is that right? --JWR > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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Sorry, there must have been some confusion between posts. I thought you were referring to something else. Russia had been holding back because it wanted freedom to act against Chechnya, with the US's implicit OK (that is, it doesn't force the US to help, but they won't criticize the Russians). I don't know what China's interests are in this, to tell you the truth. Jon Spencer wrote: > What do you mean? Did you read what I typed, or are you, too, going blind, > like Ryan and myself? > > I will restate my sentence in different terms for you: > > It would not matter if Russia and/or China had an existing mutual defense > treaty with Iraq [sidebar: the mere thought is extremely funny!]. Neither > the Russians nor the Chinese would honor such a treaty even if it existed. > This view is certainly strengthened by the UN SC vote today, where both > Russia and China voted to support the US resolution. > > OK? > > Jon > > Marc A. Schindler wrote: > > Which votes? France and Russia voted in favour of the new US resolution at > the > Security Council where they, along with the US, hold permanent seats. > > Jon Spencer wrote: > > > It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially > > considering their votes today in the UN. > > > > Jon > > > > John W. Redelfs wrote: > > > > > After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: > > > >I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will > > > >then incite the entire Islamic world and all will turn against us. > > > > > > This is the likely scenario from my perspective. I wonder if either > > Russia > > > or China have secret, mutual defense treaties with Saddam Hussein. --JWR > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: Quite a jump there, JWR! You mentioned Russia and China, and I shot them down. That's all. And yes, I am quite certain, especially after today's UN vote, that not a single solitary country will join Iraq against us. You have no idea how that puts my mind at ease. I cannot tell you how glad I am that I live in a day when wars are carefully controlled events. It used to be that at the beginning of a war not even the top generals knew how it was going to progress. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === "Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis." --Jack Handy === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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I'd rather have Hinckley than Bush.
Stacy.
At 03:23 PM 11/08/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Jon:
Ah, but I would ("be so sure of that")! You see, unlike some on this list,
I am willing to be led by President Bush. I believe that he is honest and
sincere, and that he is no idiot. I don't take everything as gospel, and I
don't agree with some of what he wants to do, but he will not lead us into
untenable situations.
Dan:
As do I, although I'm not so sure that won't lead us into untenable
situations - mainly because his decisions are only going to be as good as
his sources.
Jon:
By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under
Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way
around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now?
(Dan,
I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of
this post.)
Dan:
What do you consider as first? IIRC, we did start troop movements, but the
first bombs didn't drop until after the coalition was in place.
Also, regarding the Russians; they agreed not to attack us outright, but
did leave Russian owned anti-air equipment in Iraq for Saddam to use. True,
it didn't help him much, but their compliance with the agreement was kinda
halfhearted.
I'm not suggesting that they will renege on their votes, but they are
pretty skilled at skirting along the edges.
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Jon:
Ah, but I would ("be so sure of that")! You see, unlike some on this list,
I am willing to be led by President Bush. I believe that he is honest and
sincere, and that he is no idiot. I don't take everything as gospel, and I
don't agree with some of what he wants to do, but he will not lead us into
untenable situations.
Dan:
As do I, although I'm not so sure that won't lead us into untenable
situations - mainly because his decisions are only going to be as good as
his sources.
Jon:
By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under
Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way
around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now?
(Dan,
I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of
this post.)
Dan:
What do you consider as first? IIRC, we did start troop movements, but the
first bombs didn't drop until after the coalition was in place.
Also, regarding the Russians; they agreed not to attack us outright, but
did leave Russian owned anti-air equipment in Iraq for Saddam to use. True,
it didn't help him much, but their compliance with the agreement was kinda
halfhearted.
I'm not suggesting that they will renege on their votes, but they are
pretty skilled at skirting along the edges.
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Don't forget that when we started WW II we were pretty much a "righteous"
nation. I frankly don't see how we can really carry on our battles with
these people when they aren't any more righteous than the majority of the
nation.
Stacy.
At 04:36 PM 11/08/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Ah, but I would ("be so sure of that")! You see, unlike some on this list,
I am willing to be led by President Bush. I believe that he is honest and
sincere, and that he is no idiot. I don't take everything as gospel, and I
don't agree with some of what he wants to do, but he will not lead us into
untenable situations.
He has reached agreements with the Ruskies and the French and the Chinese
and the Syrians and other interested parties, all behind the scenes.
Saddam is toast.
By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under
Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way
around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? (Dan,
I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of
this post.)
Jon
Dan R Allen wrote:
> Jon:
> It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially
> considering their votes today in the UN.
>
> Dan:
> I wouldn't be so sure of that...
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Ah, but I would ("be so sure of that")! You see, unlike some on this list,
I am willing to be led by President Bush. I believe that he is honest and
sincere, and that he is no idiot. I don't take everything as gospel, and I
don't agree with some of what he wants to do, but he will not lead us into
untenable situations.
He has reached agreements with the Ruskies and the French and the Chinese
and the Syrians and other interested parties, all behind the scenes.
Saddam is toast.
By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under
Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way
around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? (Dan,
I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of
this post.)
Jon
Dan R Allen wrote:
> Jon:
> It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially
> considering their votes today in the UN.
>
> Dan:
> I wouldn't be so sure of that...
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Quite a jump there, JWR! You mentioned Russia and China, and I shot them down. That's all. And yes, I am quite certain, especially after today's UN vote, that not a single solitary country will join Iraq against us. That is absolutely correct. Jon John W. Redelfs asked: > After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: > >It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially > >considering their votes today in the UN. > > > So you are absolutely sure that if we attack Iraq that no other country > will get involved against us, is that right? --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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No, I dare say I'm the only blind one on here. Yes, I see this happening, all of us against Islam, not now but in the future. Because the whole world of Islam will need to come out and become involved in the conflict. The moderates will be swallowed up by the Islamicists. Stacy. At 03:45 PM 11/08/2002 -0500, you wrote: What do you mean? Did you read what I typed, or are you, too, going blind, like Ryan and myself? I will restate my sentence in different terms for you: It would not matter if Russia and/or China had an existing mutual defense treaty with Iraq [sidebar: the mere thought is extremely funny!]. Neither the Russians nor the Chinese would honor such a treaty even if it existed. This view is certainly strengthened by the UN SC vote today, where both Russia and China voted to support the US resolution. OK? Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Which votes? France and Russia voted in favour of the new US resolution at the Security Council where they, along with the US, hold permanent seats. Jon Spencer wrote: > It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially > considering their votes today in the UN. > > Jon > > John W. Redelfs wrote: > > > After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: > > >I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will > > >then incite the entire Islamic world and all will turn against us. > > > > This is the likely scenario from my perspective. I wonder if either > Russia > > or China have secret, mutual defense treaties with Saddam Hussein. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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What do you mean? Did you read what I typed, or are you, too, going blind, like Ryan and myself? I will restate my sentence in different terms for you: It would not matter if Russia and/or China had an existing mutual defense treaty with Iraq [sidebar: the mere thought is extremely funny!]. Neither the Russians nor the Chinese would honor such a treaty even if it existed. This view is certainly strengthened by the UN SC vote today, where both Russia and China voted to support the US resolution. OK? Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Which votes? France and Russia voted in favour of the new US resolution at the Security Council where they, along with the US, hold permanent seats. Jon Spencer wrote: > It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially > considering their votes today in the UN. > > Jon > > John W. Redelfs wrote: > > > After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: > > >I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will > > >then incite the entire Islamic world and all will turn against us. > > > > This is the likely scenario from my perspective. I wonder if either > Russia > > or China have secret, mutual defense treaties with Saddam Hussein. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Dreamer! Stacy. At 07:43 AM 11/08/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially considering their votes today in the UN. So you are absolutely sure that if we attack Iraq that no other country will get involved against us, is that right? --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially considering their votes today in the UN. So you are absolutely sure that if we attack Iraq that no other country will get involved against us, is that right? --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Which votes? France and Russia voted in favour of the new US resolution at the Security Council where they, along with the US, hold permanent seats. Jon Spencer wrote: > It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially > considering their votes today in the UN. > > Jon > > John W. Redelfs wrote: > > > After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: > > >I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will > > >then incite the entire Islamic world and all will turn against us. > > > > This is the likely scenario from my perspective. I wonder if either > Russia > > or China have secret, mutual defense treaties with Saddam Hussein. --JWR > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially considering their votes today in the UN. Jon John W. Redelfs wrote: > After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: > >I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will > >then incite the entire Islamic world and all will turn against us. > > This is the likely scenario from my perspective. I wonder if either Russia > or China have secret, mutual defense treaties with Saddam Hussein. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will then incite the entire Islamic world and all will turn against us. This is the likely scenario from my perspective. I wonder if either Russia or China have secret, mutual defense treaties with Saddam Hussein. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will then incite the entire Islamic world and all will turn against us. Stacy. At 04:47 AM 11/07/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: Of course, no one here on this list, including myself, can tell you what will be the short and long term outcome of acting or not acting. I believe that he is a continuing threat to our way of life, along with quite a few other gangsters. Others believe otherwise. I think there is bad news coming down the pipeline whether we go to war with Iraq or not. If we do nothing, we will be seen as week and impotent by many nations around the world who have no respect for anything except the raised fist. This would undoubted would lead to war as those attack us around the world as they rush to take advantage of what they perceive as our unwillingness to defend ourselves. And if we do go to war with Iraq, Saddam Hussein is going to use weapons of mass destruction on us right here in America. I'm talking germs, gas, and nukes. I believe he already has these weapons. He probably imports them from China or Russia. So we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. Could we have foreseen this and avoided the situation? Yes, at one time. But now we are sucked into a situation that we cannot control in which anything we do is going to cause us great pain. Here is my predication, actually just a speculation: We will invade Iraq? It will attack us here, using ABC weapons detonated by agents already in place. We will end up fighting by ourselves against the whole Islamic world. And we will win, but at a horrendous cost in lives and materiel. The only bright spot is that following such a victory, the Islamic would be opened to our missionaries. Still, even though I think this is the most likely scenario, I don't think it is a good idea to invade Iran because they are the villains, not us. It is too bad we got into the this pickle, but I don't see any way out. If it is any consolation to anyone, I am usually wrong when I make these prognostications. I hope I'm wrong on this one too. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't scoff at them personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me. --Jack Handy === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
