this thread always seems to pop up. i always thought
it was cool that a lot of detroit producers are black.
it definitely shatters the stereotype that black
musicians in today's society are "rappers" or "r&b".
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> i originally wrote this message. it seems a little
> harsh now that i read it
> again, i apologize
Lot of us have been making stupid comments. Including
myself (I think I'm probably the worst). I'm really
sorry about my stupid comments... I think this shows
just what a pointless thread this i
from those who
ALSO wish to thrive from their efforts. What gives?
Are you all saying we've no right on our own list to discuss or defend what
is rightly due us??
From: "Ryan Brogan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'kharris'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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hi,
i originally wrote this message. it seems a little harsh now that i read it
again, i apologize
Mike
From: "Michael Kim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race and Techno
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 17:
no, they want people who look through a veil of ignorance to shut their
traps. i don't pretend to know everything, you shouldn't either.
Mike
From: "tim maughan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "kharris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org>
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such change, or an opportunity for further capitalization and
discrimination?
Respect,
Ryan
-Original Message-
From: kharris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 12:59 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject:[313] FWD: RE: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race and Techno
;t have
if my step father hadn't taught me about it. At the time, I was living in
Saginaw.
I currently live in Ann Arbor.
kharris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@nimbus.ocis.temple.edu> on
04/03/2001 12:59:15 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
cc:
Subject: [313] FWD: RE: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race an
>= Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
I think it needs to be understood here that race "matter" because that's
how most were taught growing up. Earlier I said that as children, everyone
was a friend irregardless of race. It's not until later that you are taught
that, for one reason o
arrested several black kids for fighting.
We all act the same, we all do the same bullsh_t, we are all the same. Why
try to make a distinction based on color?
kharris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@nimbus.ocis.temple.edu> on
04/03/2001 11:43:28 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
cc:
Subject: [313] FWD
"But I can't help but be bothered that this stereotype, and reverse racism
is being carried on "
nothing 'reverse' about it, it's racism pure and simple...
this is the same type of argument which was used for years to suggest black
people were 'tribal' and, in colonialist eyes, less worth
fair enuff otto, good point.
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From: "Otto Koppius" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [313] Race and Techno
> tim maughan wrote:
>
> > it really upsets me to watch you all b
From: "kharris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 4:43 PM
Subject: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race and Techno
> yeah well i grew up hanging out in detroit where racist skins would come
to
> shows and fights would happen and cops would come
--- kharris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yeah well i grew up hanging out in detroit where
> racist skins would come to
> shows and fights would happen and cops would come
> and i learned at an early
> age _race does matter_..politics _matter_..if you
> choose to ignore it, if you
> choose to no
--- Otto Koppius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> tim maughan wrote:
>
> > it really upsets me to watch you all b*tch at each
> other like this. when i
> > was a kid, techno was a unifying force...well, at
> least here in the UK.
>
> [snip]
>
> > and the poeple i did this with - who i talked,
>
moving your body to a 4/4 beat, in a circle checking
> out the break
> > dancers, in the chill out room, does it matter?
> >
> > When you've taken one too many pills, and the medics come,
> and the doctors
> > in the hospital pump your stomache, does his or her
tim maughan wrote:
> it really upsets me to watch you all b*tch at each other like this. when i
> was a kid, techno was a unifying force...well, at least here in the UK.
[snip]
> and the poeple i did this with - who i talked, danced, got high, and loved
> with - weren't ANY color. hey - yeah.
ere 3 or 4? In preschool, your friends are every color.
> You played with everyone; did it matter then?
>
> Didn't think so.
>
> Why does it matter now?
>
>
>
>
> TIMOTHY JOHNSON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 04/03/2001 09:20:08 AM
>
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
&g
octors
> in the hospital pump your stomache, does his or her race make a difference?
>
> Remember when you were 3 or 4? In preschool, your friends are every color.
> You played with everyone; did it matter then?
>
> Didn't think so.
>
> Why does it matter now?
>
r when you were 3 or 4? In preschool, your friends are every color.
You played with everyone; did it matter then?
Didn't think so.
Why does it matter now?
TIMOTHY JOHNSON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 04/03/2001 09:20:08 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
cc:
Subject: Re: [313] Race and Techno An
> You are more likely to bring someone around to your
> perspective if you take
> the time to foster an open discussion offline than
> by citing rhetorically
> charged quotes in a global public forum. If your
> goal is to piss people off
> that don't understand where you're coming from, keep
> on
Ok let's see past the colors. Obviously it doesn't matter anyways. We can't
see what color each other is over the netwaves. That is one of the beauties of
the internet. If you ask me, race is not a problem. Sure it would be great if
we were all the same color, but we're not. Music as well
I've said it before, I'll say it again. You will probably not change
anyone's views on race through email, particularly on a list this big, and
especially when things get as heated as they've become. We are a very
diverse list - racially, and geographically. Race problems manifest
themselves differ
_and_ you entirely give away your level of priveledge by putting the words
race and "annoyance" together in your subject line..we're so sorry our
race/gender/etc. etc. etc. ANNOYS you in that you are forced to confront it
sometimes but it has much more devastating effects on US..and we can't jus
what you say?!
all your race are belong to us
ab
[flip the scrip and down pitch the speed]
>-Original Message-
>From: Kyle J Dupuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:28 PM
>Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [313] Race and Techno Annoyance
>
ahhh. i see it is time for the bi-weekly techno / race debate.
Later suckers,
> I can't help but be bothered that this stereotype,
> and reverse racism is
> being carried on
nothing makes me want to heave up fetid piles of putrid puke more than the
phrase "reverse racism"...
*rolls eyes*
-k
Forget it Scott... Half the list has tried explaining
your point before... Do they listen? Noo... It's
like, after thousands of years of civilisation there
are still wars and famine and disease... A person is
clever but people are stupid... f**k 'em, don't bother
complaining... I wonder if ther
In response to KDJ quotes from Charles Prince...
OK,
It takes a bit to get me to post, but here goes... I'm so sick of this
Black/White thing... Race is race, and music is music... The two are in
some ways intertwined but a piece of music is it's own entity, sentient and
soveriegn... Yes the f
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