Re: Move v12 to v15 or v16

2017-01-18 Thread Alan Chan
For v16 on pure Mac environment, would it be possible to use 32bit client but 64bit server in new network layer? Alan Chan ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4d.com/

Re: Move v12 to v15 or v16

2017-01-18 Thread Alan Chan
Not until you have clients using touch bar macbook pro. Alan Chan 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> writes: >What other info do you have re OS version on Mac. I am having NO problems with >15.2 ** 4D Internet Users Grou

Re: Query editor in v15

2017-01-18 Thread Keisuke Miyako
(excuse me for the multi posts earlier; Mail on Mac is super aggressive when there is a network error) I am not sure if the query path or plan tells anything about the network usage. I would look into the C/S request log instead (database parameters 28 and 45) there is a new appendix E that docu

Re: More Fun with Objects

2017-01-18 Thread Keisuke Miyako
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Re: More Fun with Objects

2017-01-18 Thread Keisuke Miyako
only if the passed $test_object is not undefined (that is, {} or has at least one property) if the method is going to be called under all different circumstances, you could assert in the Test_Object method is defined to avoid unintended bugs. > 2017/01/19 8:38、Lee Hinde のメール: > > I've been expl

Re: More Fun with Objects

2017-01-18 Thread Keisuke Miyako
only if the passed $test_object is not undefined (that is, {} or has at least one property) if the method is going to be called under all different circumstances, you could assert in the Test_Object method is defined to avoid unintended bugs. > 2017/01/19 8:38、Lee Hinde のメール: > > I've been expl

Re: Website development path

2017-01-18 Thread Peter Jakobsson
On 18 Jan 2017, at 23:16, Sujit Shah wrote: > I will be sold on any 4D based plugin or component that can demonstrate > this. Hi Sujit I agree with the sentiment of your post which is why I’ve decided to sit out this particular phase of the human race’s evolution until it gets sorted out. I b

More Fun with Objects

2017-01-18 Thread Lee Hinde
This is part and parcel of all the discussion about how objects are special, and may have been explicitly discussed, but I just tested this: *C_OBJECT*($test_object) *OB SET*($test_object;"an";"object") *Test_Object*($test_object) // put a trace point here And Test_Object is: *C_OBJECT*($ob

Re: Website development path

2017-01-18 Thread Sujit Shah
Peter That demo is great for those who are familiar with 4D. The one aspect that I struggle with is outputting a modern UI. And for that matter I don't see many examples that demonstrate this either. In 4D this was just a matter of "drag and drop", add the colours, formats, handle the events and

Re: OB commands, confirming a few points

2017-01-18 Thread David Adams
For anyone still following along with this (and for the archives), I joined Arnaud on the forums and got in trouble ;-) I also made a few feature requests: New command: JSON Stringify stored array http://forums.4d.fr/Post//18931320/1/ OB Get Array 4D type http://forums.4d.fr/Post//18931295/1/ OB

Re: v13 - text field Copy/Paste

2017-01-18 Thread Chip Scheide
1 - 'silt' = style 2 - I am playing with this a bit more and I have found that: If I paste in the text field when there is already text in the field, the newly pasted text confirms to the style sheet. HOWEVER, If I paste into an empty text field the text does not seem to conform to the style s

Re: Query editor in v15

2017-01-18 Thread Chip Scheide
turn on query path logging? On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:18:16 +1300, Keith Goebel wrote: > >> On 18/01/2017, at 2:40 pm, Keisuke Miyako wrote: >> you could just activate the "execute on server" method property if >> you need that function in your QBF >> >>> 2017/01/18 5:15、Keith Goebel >>

Re: Website development path

2017-01-18 Thread Chip Scheide
AWESOME!! Thanks On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 22:14:27 +0100, Peter Jakobsson wrote: > Hello ernie > >> But, I have tried four time to 'get a grip' on Active4D, I slam into >> text (manuals) that makes no cense to me and does not empower me to >> continue to want to 'learn' this fantastic product > >

v13 - text field Copy/Paste

2017-01-18 Thread Chip Scheide
I am testing an entry form, in this case that the edit menu functions as expected (copy/cut/paste) I have a couple of text fields which are displayed on a tab control. I enter some text. Cut the text paste the text AND... the pasted text is largerlike from 10 (original) to 12 (pasted) point

Re: Website development path

2017-01-18 Thread Keith Goebel
> On 19/01/2017, at 9:00 am, ernie hilgers wrote: > … > Its no use to talk to web developers for that matter because all praise their > tools only. Mention 4D and blank stares or repulsion is the reaction... That is our experience. The reason I started this thread was because we had a website

Re: Query editor in v15

2017-01-18 Thread Keith Goebel
> On 18/01/2017, at 2:40 pm, Keisuke Miyako wrote: > you could just activate the "execute on server" method property if you need > that function in your QBF > >> 2017/01/18 5:15、Keith Goebel > > のメール: >> If my "execution"assumptions are wrong for any items, please le

Re: Website development path

2017-01-18 Thread Peter Jakobsson
Hello ernie > But, I have tried four time to 'get a grip' on Active4D, I slam into text > (manuals) that makes no cense to me and does not empower me to continue to > want to 'learn' this fantastic product Indeed, I feel your pain. Some of the documentation and material focuses more on the po

Re: Website development path

2017-01-18 Thread ernie hilgers
On Jan 18, 2017, this was written: > From: Peter Jakobsson > > Secondly, it has always bamboozled me the amount of non-native technologies > that get cited on threads like this when staring us in the face is one that > extends 4D’s language seamlessly and faithfully right out onto the web. In

Re: How to halt execution, to avoid Quit 4D

2017-01-18 Thread Lee Hinde
On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 1:56 AM, Koen Van Hooreweghe wrote: > Sorry for jumping in late. > Maybe there is a default user set in the Structure Settings. Which is not > the Administrator or Designer. > Hold the shift key (I think, cannot verify at this moment) upon opening > the db will show the u

Re: How to halt execution, to avoid Quit 4D

2017-01-18 Thread Lee Hinde
The point of pointing out the error message was to say it didn't allow me to trace or edit. (i.e, no structure access.) The error itself was generated because I pulled out the plugins folder to force an error. On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Tim Nevels wrote: > On Jan 17, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Lee

Re: Move v12 to v15 or v16

2017-01-18 Thread James Crate
> On Jan 18, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Chuck Miller > wrote: >> On Jan 18, 2017, at 9:52 AM, James Crate wrote: >> >> Even v15.3 is not rock-solid on Macs, although it is better than earlier v15 >> releases. The open file dialog still crashes sometimes (i.e. when choosing a >> saved quick report or

Re: LOST INDEX

2017-01-18 Thread stardata.info
I dont remember of to have cancelled one indexing Il 18/01/2017 17:23, 4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com ha scritto: Message: 10 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 16:37:28 +0100 From: Herr Alexander Heintz To: 4D iNug Technical<4d_tech@lists.4d.com> Subject: Re: LOST INDEX Message-ID:<639c53a8-e8c4-443d-8638-c

RE: Website development path

2017-01-18 Thread Justin Will
In response to David's statement... Question: "We can't use preemptive threads." Answer: "So what." I have been in a situation where because 4D could not handle preemptive threading we ended up setting up a RAIC with NGINX in front of it. NGINX load balanced the requests to multiple 4D worksta

Re: LOST INDEX

2017-01-18 Thread Herr Alexander Heintz
> I have a 4d application in V13.2 on windows. > I notice that in the structure database i have lost all the index settings in > my tables. > So all the indexed fields now are not indexed. > I haven't change anything, how is possible this? Have you canceled an indexing run for a datafile? This wi

LOST INDEX

2017-01-18 Thread stardata.info
Hi all, I have a 4d application in V13.2 on windows. I notice that in the structure database i have lost all the index settings in my tables. So all the indexed fields now are not indexed. I haven't change anything, how is possible this? Thanks Ferdinando **

Re: Move v12 to v15 or v16

2017-01-18 Thread Chuck Miller
What other info do you have re OS version on Mac. I am having NO problems with 15.2 Regards Chuck Chuck Miller Voice: (617) 739-0306 Informed Solutions, Inc. Fax: (617) 232-1064 mailto:cjmi

Re: Move v12 to v15 or v16

2017-01-18 Thread James Crate
On Jan 18, 2017, at 2:04 AM, Paul Lovejoy wrote: > > We’ve been spending quite a bit of time preparing our 4D databases to move > from v12 to v15. We originally had planned to transit via v13 but since we’re > 100% Mac, we saw that numerous problems with recent Mac OS X versions are > causing

RE: Move v12 to v15 or v16

2017-01-18 Thread Dennis, Neil
> Does anyone have any reason to believe it’s worth taking the leap? Is v16 > rock solid? I have been using 16.0 in house for a few months now and found absolutely no issues with it. Granted every version will have some minor defects, but I haven't seen any of them. I will be upgrading one of m

Re: 32 Bit or 64 Bit ? 4D Write

2017-01-18 Thread Chuck Miller
Thanks, but we do not generally going into production with r releases. Hard enough to get this client to upgrade as testing is so immense Regards Chuck Chuck Miller Voice: (617) 739-0306 Informed

Re: Website development path

2017-01-18 Thread Peter Jakobsson
On 18 Jan 2017, at 15:01, John DeSoi wrote: > It is a good point, but a lot of other options allow you to leverage open > source features rather than re-inventing them in 4D. For example, Drupal has > a great feature set out of the box and I'm not going to re-implement all of > that in 4D anyt

Re: Move v12 to v15 or v16

2017-01-18 Thread Magnus Torell
Hi Paul, I did a move from v12 to v15R5 3 weeks ago. Mainly mac clients and an xServe with Accelsior pcie drive. Not so big database as yours, but 30 users and 10 Gb datafile. Mission critical also. Regarding database and stability everything has been running very well. I had to do some changes re

Re: Website development path

2017-01-18 Thread John DeSoi
> On Jan 18, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Peter Jakobsson wrote: > > Secondly, it has always bamboozled me the amount of non-native technologies > that get cited on threads like this when staring us in the face is one that > extends 4D’s language seamlessly and faithfully right out onto the web. In > th

Re: How to halt execution, to avoid Quit 4D

2017-01-18 Thread Koen Van Hooreweghe
Hi Lee, Sorry for jumping in late. Maybe there is a default user set in the Structure Settings. Which is not the Administrator or Designer. Hold the shift key (I think, cannot verify at this moment) upon opening the db will show the user dialog. HTH Koen Op 17-jan.-2017, om 21:24 heeft Lee Hi

Re: Website development path

2017-01-18 Thread Peter Jakobsson
On 18 Jan 2017, at 00:13, David Adams wrote: > Question: "We can't use pre-emptive threads." > Answer: "So what." > > Seriously, so what. Does it matter in your case? Does *anyone* have a case > where it matters. Just to chime in on this, I can see both David’s side and Justin’s side and Apar

Re: Move v12 to v15 or v16

2017-01-18 Thread Keisuke Miyako
all the bug reports I received since the v16 release so far fall into one of the following categories: 1. it concerns Windows 64-bit Mono (which is a preview release) 2. it concerns 32-bit version on a MacBook Pro with Sierra and a touch of genius 3. it concerns v15 too so I woul

Re: Move v12 to v15 or v16

2017-01-18 Thread Tilman Haerdle
Paul, the funny thing is: Experience prevents us from doing the right thing these days. v16.0 is quality-wise one of the best 4D releases ever. There may always be glitches in particular situations but generally speaking since v13 with every 4D version they moved the quality a notch up. We even