On Jan 18, 2017, this was written: > From: Peter Jakobsson > > Secondly, it has always bamboozled me the amount of non-native technologies > that get cited on threads like this when staring us in the face is one that > extends 4D’s language seamlessly and faithfully right out onto the web. In > that respect alone there can surely be few greater inhibitors to > scaleability, productivity and economy than to be working across multiple > language platforms instead of one.
> > For me, the whole point of 4D is working in a seamless, coherent platform so > if I ever jump headlong into this world beyond Active4D it’ll be 4D+Wakanda > or a change of career (=retirement ?). Obviously I respect the fact that > others have genuine commercial priorities which dictate otherwise. > > Just my 2c ! all comments full of insight and correct, great.... But, I have tried four time to 'get a grip' on Active4D, I slam into text (manuals) that makes no cense to me and does not empower me to continue to want to 'learn' this fantastic product, Which I had the privilege to be introduced to at it's presentation on a summit meeting. So I've scoured the internet for text / books / movies to see how one does work with this product, but found nothing much that could help me. Then if you try again after 1 year or so, there is a new version and the 'old ways' are phased out for a 'new way'. That will keep you frustrated. The manuals might be very informative for those already versed in this matter. For me, a 4D developer from the first hour and no internet development background or any knowledge of oop nor javascript or html5, (I know some languages but they don't help here) where does one begin???. Its no use to talk to web developers for that matter because all praise their tools only. Mention 4D and blank stares or repulsion is the reaction. Now if there were instruction books / movies etc that will get you somewhere. For, why is there soo much literature on javascript, html5, php, python and a plethora of others ? because there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of users that are looking for reading / learning materials and for those there ARE and writers that write books. You want to have a particular product accepted by the world, make sure you have good reading (teaching) material for all levels (beginners to advanced) for those that want to learn. Do something on Lynda.com to get the ball going. I don't have the time to learn a language like I did in 1986, no books and only examples in the language manuals to 'crack' or an example file with a coding style according to the level of the developer, try to un-spagetti that !!! With the amount of experience gained over the years, it's imperative to get results somewhat faster in a new technology since we did in the last century. If there are any good how-to books, aka 4D for Dummies or Active4D for dummies or any plugin, we all know them, then maybe we see more people using this product, otherwise it's stumbling around in the dark and that gets you nowhere and the developer nowhere. Especially for people not living near user groups or in foreign countries. In order to put up a good question, you have to know 3/4 of the answer already else you start the presenter going into lecture mode. another 2 cts. (keep them cents coming..) ernie hilgers (aruba) ********************************************************************** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: http://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **********************************************************************
