Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-08-09 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Great, Tengfei This is very much what I was asking for. Regards, Pascal Le 9 août 2019 à 13:05, Tengfei Chang mailto:tengfei.ch...@gmail.com>> a écrit : Thanks Tero and Pascal for the comments! I understand What Pascal and Tero are saying. According to the discussion above and during the I

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-08-09 Thread Tengfei Chang
Thanks Tero and Pascal for the comments! I understand What Pascal and Tero are saying. According to the discussion above and during the IETF 105 6TiSCH meeting, I would add the following content in the next version of the draft in Rule of Celllist section: Since the Cell is randomly selected, th

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-22 Thread Tero Kivinen
Pascal Thubert (pthubert) writes: > In a 6TiSCH network, CCA is useless between synchronized devices because > they’ll talk at the same time. So LBT must be done some other way. Note, that 802.15.4 do allow doing CCA if TschCca was set on when MLME-TSCHE-MODE.request primitive is called to turn TS

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-17 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
draft and make it optional. All the best, Pascal From: Tengfei Chang Sent: mercredi 17 juillet 2019 08:32 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04 Hi Pascal, It is good for me to confirm it is about the hidden terminal

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-17 Thread Tengfei Chang
and > inefficient. If the cells are not used a lot it will take time. I disagree > that it can be the sole procedure to avoid collisions. > > > > All the best, > > > > Pascal > > > > *From:* Tengfei Chang > *Sent:* mercredi 17 juillet 2019 06:12 >

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-17 Thread Tengfei Chang
Hi Esteban, Thanks for the comments, I will answer inline: On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 3:47 PM Esteban Municio < esteban.muni...@uantwerpen.be> wrote: > Hi Tengfei, > > I like the new changes, especially the concept of autonomous cells by > demand and always having by default 1 downlink negotiated c

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-17 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
ent: mercredi 17 juillet 2019 06:12 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04 Hi Pascal, For the synchronization, I agree. It should be listening for a certain period of time and then choose which EB to use for synchronizing. W

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-17 Thread Tengfei Chang
Hi Pascal, For the synchronization, I agree. It should be listening for a certain period of time and then choose which EB to use for synchronizing. Will update in the next version. For the rule of celllist: - > Not the same problem. Think about this, where does the list of free cells come

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-17 Thread Yasuyuki Tanaka
Hi Esteban, > * Maybe out of the scope but, should not be defined here a housekeeping > function that removes unused negotiated cells (TX or RX)? For example > for cells that can't be removed with a 6P transaction (e.g. nodes are > not in range any more). It'd be nice to mention something there,

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-11 Thread Esteban Municio
Hi Tengfei, I like the new changes, especially the concept of autonomous cells by demand and always having by default 1 downlink negotiated cell. Here are some minor comments (checking msf-05): * In Section 5.2, it is not clear for me if the parent switch occurs before, during or after the 3-st

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-10 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Tengfei I think you missed my points >The text was not expected to become normative as is; obviously the usual > ways apply like time out if some but not all beacons are received and sync to > the best. > Yes, I agree with what you said, I replied with a wrong typing word. What I

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-10 Thread Tengfei Chang
Hi Pascal, On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 3:08 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > Hello Tengfei > > tions address is correct. Thanks! > > > > > > “ > >During this step, the pledge MAY synchronize to any EB it receives > >from the network it wishes to join. > > “ > > In TSCH, time creates an e

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-08 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Tengfei tions address is correct. Thanks! “ During this step, the pledge MAY synchronize to any EB it receives from the network it wishes to join. “ In TSCH, time creates an event horizon whereby one only hears transmissions that start during guard time around the scheduled Rx time

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-08 Thread Tengfei Chang
| (NOTE:this) | > > > > “ > >- maybe > > > >| IANA_6TISCH_SFID_MSF | Minimal Scheduling Function | RFC_THIS| > >| | (MSF) | | > Will be applied in the next version!

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-08 Thread Tengfei Chang
t; > > > Although managing the counters for each neighbor is conceptually > > simple, I admit it might be too much overhead for constrainted nodes. > Thanks for the comments! However, along the network time, the node won't send upper layer packet s to non-parent neighbor. In case o

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-08 Thread Tengfei Chang
Thanks a lot Yatch for reviewing the draft. I will reply inline: On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 2:58 PM Yasuyuki Tanaka wrote: > Thank you, Tengfei and the other authors, for the update! > > Here are my comments: > > [Major] Negotiated RX cell (Section 4.6) > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6ti

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-04 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
nimal Scheduling Function | RFC_THIS| | | (MSF) | | All the best, Pascal From: 6tisch <6tisch-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Tengfei Chang Sent: mardi 2 juillet 2019 12:57 To: 6tisch@ietf.org Subject: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-04 Thread Yasuyuki Tanaka
Hi Tengfei, Another minor comment: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04#section-5.3 draft> 5.3. Handling Schedule Collisions draft> draft> A node implementing MSF SHOULD implement the behavior described in draft> this section. The "MUST" statements in this section hence only app

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-03 Thread toshio9.ito
nceptually simple, I admit it might be too much overhead for constrainted nodes. BTW, there are still two occurrences of "managed unicast cell" in the draft. Best regards, Toshio Ito From: 6tisch <6tisch-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Tengfei Chang Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 7:57

Re: [6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-02 Thread Yasuyuki Tanaka
Thank you, Tengfei and the other authors, for the update! Here are my comments: [Major] Negotiated RX cell (Section 4.6) https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04#section-4.6 If MSF is designed for regular upstream traffic, I don't think we need the negotiated RX cell that is introdu

[6tisch] call for review: draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04

2019-07-02 Thread Tengfei Chang
Dear all, As you may noticed that a new version of MSF is just published at here: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6tisch-msf-04 There are some moderate changes comparing to previous one. Mainly in two aspects: 1. change the concept of autonomous cell In the new version, there will be two