On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:14 PM, erik quanstromquans...@coraid.com wrote:
Do we stick with that file format forever? is it perfect and never to
be changed?
would it be fair to ask a the same question from a little
different perspective?
could someone explain what the disadvantages and
the best way to remove 9load is to make Plan 9 grub-bootable.
I don't know much about this subject but I already boot Plan9 using grub.
You mean something more specific than chainloading I presume.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Gorka Guardiolapau...@gmail.com wrote:
could someone explain what the disadvantages and problems
with 9fat are? i'm asking out of ignorance, since 9fat hasn't
been a problem for me.
That it is too complicated to pares in 512 bytes.
s/pares/parse/
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perhaps we should try to boot plan 9 from a linux kernel? Sounds great to me...
this probably makes me a troll...
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:54 AM, hiro23h...@googlemail.com wrote:
perhaps we should try to boot plan 9 from a linux kernel? Sounds great to
me...
this probably makes me a troll...
I hear ron minnich did that with his lguest port. Does that make him a troll?
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Venkatesh Srinivas wrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:54 AM, hiro23h...@googlemail.com wrote:
perhaps we should try to boot plan 9 from a linux kernel? Sounds great to me...
this probably makes me a troll...
I hear ron minnich did that with his lguest port. Does that make him a
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:23 AM, ron minnichrminn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Federico G.
Benaventobenave...@gmail.com wrote:
I could achieve the same as I did by doing copy 9load E: on windows
with this new approach, but I'd need to boot some linux live CD
and dd my
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Urielurie...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:23 AM, ron minnichrminn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Federico G.
Benaventobenave...@gmail.com wrote:
I could achieve the same as I did by doing copy 9load E: on windows
with this
What you gonna do when MS knocks on the door for their FAT patent
license fee
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/02/microsoft-sues-tomtom-over-fat-patents-in-linux-based-device.ars
i love it. we have complaining that fat doesn't do more
than 8.3 and trolling that there's a
with vista is not one of them. It may well be in the long term that
the best way to remove 9load is to make Plan 9 grub-bootable.
The -H5 option to 8l will generate an ELF image. I've
used that to boot Inferno using pxelinux/mboot. I'm
pretty sure a Plan9 image built using -H5 would be
So the FAT partition is good when you want to interoperate. But as you
point out, it's kind of 1/2 of a real fat partition, which means
sometimes, even if it looks ok in vista or whatever, it's not really
ok. It's not really possible to fit a true FAT file system handler in
a 512 byte pbs.
Did you use the plan 9 kencc to build that inferno kernel? As I
understand, inferno's 8c doesn't have the H5 option...
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erik quanstrom wrote:
i love it. we have complaining that fat doesn't do more
than 8.3 and trolling that there's a patent liability for
doing more than 8.3 within 24 hrs.
thanks but I'm not trolling, not complaining
just to be clear. fat itself is not patented. just some
particular
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:50 AM, mattmaht-9f...@maht0x0r.net wrote:
erik quanstrom wrote:
i love it. we have complaining that fat doesn't do more
than 8.3 and trolling that there's a patent liability for
doing more than 8.3 within 24 hrs.
thanks but I'm not trolling, not complaining
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Iruata Souzairu.mu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:50 AM, mattmaht-9f...@maht0x0r.net wrote:
erik quanstrom wrote:
i love it. we have complaining that fat doesn't do more
than 8.3 and trolling that there's a patent liability for
doing more
I'm pretty sure Ron has done that too... from LinuxBIOS.
i'm pretty sure that coreboot neé linuxbios is not linux.
- erik
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:54 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote:
perhaps we should try to boot plan 9 from a linux kernel? Sounds great to
me...
this probably makes me a troll...
I'm pretty sure Ron has done that too... from LinuxBIOS.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:19 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote:
I'm pretty sure Ron has done that too... from LinuxBIOS.
i'm pretty sure that coreboot neé linuxbios is not linux.
Could be, I've never had the luxury of trying it all out... however I
thought a minimal linux from
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:31 AM, ron minnichrminn...@gmail.com wrote:
it was. It is not any longer. But for the first year of our existence,
1999-2000, linuxbios really was linux.
plus some special extra bits, of course ...
ron
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:19 AM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote:
I'm pretty sure Ron has done that too... from LinuxBIOS.
i'm pretty sure that coreboot neé linuxbios is not linux.
it was. It is not any longer. But for the first year of our existence,
1999-2000, linuxbios really was
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:24 AM, David Leimbachleim...@gmail.com wrote:
Could be, I've never had the luxury of trying it all out... however I
thought a minimal linux from coreboot/linuxbios (I think it was called
linuxbios when this was tried) could kexec plan 9.
Actually i wrote something in
it was. It is not any longer. But for the first year of our existence,
1999-2000, linuxbios really was linux.
plus some special extra bits, of course ...
even in those days, linux was quite large. wasn't most
of it just dead weight?
- erik
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:33 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:24 AM, David Leimbachleim...@gmail.com wrote:
Could be, I've never had the luxury of trying it all out... however I
thought a minimal linux from coreboot/linuxbios (I think it was called
Also, Eric, the 9atom.iso works on my older AMD machine for installation!
THANKS! :-)
hey! back to the original story line. that's great, and
you're welcome. i'd encourage anyone to report on
your success or failure with 9atom offline.
the goal is to get everything that should work working.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:37 AM, David Leimbachleim...@gmail.com wrote:
Did that pre-date the two kernel monte that used to be used on Scyld's
Beowulf thing?
I think Eric Hendriks and I started development at the same time, but
mine was working first. No longer sure.
But Biederman's code won
pbs32 (9null's pbs) now works with 9fat without caring about it.
it loops reading a block and checking for the a.out(8) signature.
if the 9pcload is on 9fat, not a problem anymore.
Twt! 5-yard penalty for making something work better instead of
complaining!
Dave Eckhardt
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:46 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote:
Also, Eric, the 9atom.iso works on my older AMD machine for installation!
THANKS! :-)
hey! back to the original story line. that's great, and
you're welcome. i'd encourage anyone to report on
your success or
/n/sources/contrib/maht/walk.c
I adapted Dan's walk to add some options
-t : print trailing slashes on directories
-p : only print path (directory) names # -d was taken
-f : only print file names
If -p and -f are given, all output is supressed but the walk still happens.
To further report the machine seems to be running after installation
quite snappily though I seem to have messed something up and get a
lot of messages about failed venti writes, due to a lack of a connection.
venti=/dev/sdC0/venti
or
venti=#S/sdC0/venti
in plan9.ini
not sure which is
sounds familiar. i haven't needed an analog
to your -f option yet since the most common
use is
grep -n pattern `{find /sys/src/|grep '\.[chys]$'
- erik
; man find
FIND(1) FIND(1)
NAME
find - recursively list files.
I could achieve the same as I did by doing copy 9load E: on windows
with this new approach, but I'd need to boot some linux live CD
and dd my way out to put the new loader there which I'll be too
hacky and I'd probably need a version of prepdisk for linux
on that live cd as well, if I got it
Tim Newsham wrote:
You could just dd or rawrite from windows, as well.
iirc you need to be an administrator and can turn on raw disk access,
for which you get v. scary dialog boxes warning you not to do it
that was on xp, I expect newer trash will be the same / worse
that's what I said... it's in the fragment you quoted
anyways, I'm glad that iru heard what we had to say and
we found a solution
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Tim Newshamnews...@lava.net wrote:
I could achieve the same as I did by doing copy 9load E: on windows
with this new approach, but
erik quanstrom wrote:
sounds familiar. i haven't needed an analog
to your -f option yet since the most common
use is
grep -n pattern `{find /sys/src/|grep '\.[chys]$'
I changed it to do this :
chmod 550 `{walk -p}
chmod -w `{walk -f}
I changed it to do this :
chmod 550 `{walk -p}
chmod -w `{walk -f}
i do this so seldom, that i'm satisfied with
for(i in `{find})
test -d $i chmod 550 $i || chmod -w $i
- erik
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:37 AM, matt maht-9f...@maht0x0r.net wrote:
To further report the machine seems to be running after installation quite
snappily though I seem to have messed something up and get a lot of
messages about failed venti writes, due to a lack of a connection.
venti=/dev/sdC0/venti
or
venti=#S/sdC0/venti
in plan9.ini
not sure which is best, I have the former and it works but the latter was
already in my plan9.ini and that didn't work but that might be something
else and I've never experimented after it worked :)
Thanks with 9atom, I
Did you use the plan 9 kencc to build
that inferno kernel? As I
understand, inferno's 8c doesn't have the H5 option...
I used the versions with Inferno, except that I borrowed
a couple files from Plan9's 8l to get the H5 support.
And in case anyone's curious, I booted it with grub a
little
the deadline for submitting papers has
been extended to 20090907.
- erik
We don't have any travel budget now does coraid have any sponsors
willing to fund travel?
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 28, 2009, at 8:06 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net
wrote:
the deadline for submitting papers has
been extended to 20090907.
- erik
Can you get a native kernel working with qemu or parallels?the latest
osx versions crash on inferno for me.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 28, 2009, at 8:02 PM, Brian L. Stuart
blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Did you use the plan 9 kencc to build
that inferno kernel? As I
understand, inferno's
I've got dvcam and lapel mikejust need bamdwidth.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com
wrote:
2009/8/28 Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com:
Satelite conference locations in Antwerp and Oz may be be a bad idea
assuming folks can
If we've got 320kbps we can easily do the presentation via justin.tv
or something similar. Alternatively, if we just want to set up e.g. an
mpeg stream, I have machines that can proxy that. Though Erik will
have to confirm / deny the existence of any amount of bandwidth in the
first place.
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 16:11 -0400, Devon H. O'Dell wrote:
2009/8/28 Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com:
Satelite conference locations in Antwerp and Oz may be be a bad idea
assuming folks can accomodate crazy time differences.
Not a bad idea, does anyone on the else pc have A/V
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Iruata Souzairu.mu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:50 AM, mattmaht-9f...@maht0x0r.net wrote:
FIGHT
i fought myself.
pbs32 (9null's pbs) now works with 9fat without caring about it.
it loops reading a block and checking for the a.out(8)
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Don Baileydon.bai...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there an IWP9 website for this year that provides information about dates
and locations?
Thanks,
I try to keep http://iwp9.cat-v.org updated with information for every year.
uriel
D
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:11
One way of phrasing it:
I usually need 9fat to choose which kernel I'm going to use depending
on the circumstances, is there anyway that I could reincorporate 9fat
or something like it? What do I need to do to make it possible?
another way:
You losers never do anything right, where's my 9fat?
On Fri Aug 28 19:53:53 EDT 2009, urie...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Don Baileydon.bai...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there an IWP9 website for this year that provides information about dates
and locations?
Thanks,
I try to keep http://iwp9.cat-v.org updated with
Can you get a native kernel working with qemu or parallels?the latest
osx versions crash on inferno for me.
I don't have parallels available, but I have run it in qemu.
However, it's been a while. Qemu is one of the platforms
I used to test my native install CD image. I did find a few
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