Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure

2010-05-04 Thread Pavel Klinkovsky
maybe it is time to try to pack-port some of Erik's stuff to the canonical source. I fully agree. Pavel

Re: [9fans] 9vx and ubuntu 10.04LTS

2010-05-04 Thread sixforty
The update to 10.04 has overloaded my email with messages from ubuntu's dosemu forum. Basically the same issue as with 9vx. A fix [sic] is suggested. So, question is: On Sat, 1 May 2010 23:36:08 +0200 Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote: Fwiw, 9vx does build and run fine on

Re: [9fans] 9vx and ubuntu 10.04LTS

2010-05-04 Thread Mathieu Lonjaret
Not that I know of. it's a lucid lynx install I did when it was still in beta and I haven't kept it up to date since then, so maybe that's where the difference lies. How do I check if that fix you're speaking of is installed or not? Cheers, Mathieu ---BeginMessage--- The update to 10.04 has

Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure

2010-05-04 Thread hiro
The more interesting question is: who doesn't agree, and why? On 5/4/10, Pavel Klinkovsky pavel.klinkov...@gmail.com wrote: maybe it is time to try to pack-port some of Erik's stuff to the canonical source. I fully agree. Pavel

Re: [9fans] 9vx and ubuntu 10.04LTS

2010-05-04 Thread sixforty
On Tue, 4 May 2010 11:06:29 +0200 Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote: Not that I know of. it's a lucid lynx install I did when it was still in beta and I haven't kept it up to date since then, so maybe that's where the difference lies. How do I check if that fix you're

Re: [9fans] du and find

2010-05-04 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 3 May 2010, at 19:34, Jorden M wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 10:53 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: It's always been easier for me to use python's/perl's regular expressions when I needed to process a text file than to use plan9's. For simple things, e.g. while editing

Re: [9fans] New user

2010-05-04 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 3 May 2010, at 20:13, erik quanstrom wrote: trying to figure out how to view html pages but no sucess. I use htmlfmt(1), you can do the same until somebody explains how to use abaco(1) instead. Neither will do tables. false. abaco does tables correctly. see readweb(1) for details

Re: [9fans] du and find

2010-05-04 Thread Robert Raschke
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fmwrote: On 3 May 2010, at 19:34, Jorden M wrote: I've yet to find out why this happens so much, but I think I can narrow it to a combination of ignorance, laziness, and perhaps that all-too-frequent assumption `oh, I can

Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure

2010-05-04 Thread EBo
maybe it is time to try to pack-port some of Erik's stuff to the canonical source. I fully agree. The more interesting question is: who doesn't agree, and why? and the most important question -- who's going to work on it. EBo --

Re: [9fans] New user

2010-05-04 Thread erik quanstrom
cd /sys/man; mk indices ty but mk fails with: mkindex: '/bin/mkindex' file does not exist is your path not (. /bin)? - erik

Re: [9fans] iwp94e proceedings

2010-05-04 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue May 4 04:54:36 EDT 2010, pavlovet...@gmail.com wrote: On May 1, 4:28 pm, quans...@quanstro.net (erik quanstrom) wrote: http://iwp9.org/iwp94e.pdf - erik The front page is beautiful. ian ennis (coraid) put together the front cover, and of course the rabbit is reneé french's

Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure

2010-05-04 Thread hiro
If this is true you must be quite a few steps ahead of us all. On 5/4/10, EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: maybe it is time to try to pack-port some of Erik's stuff to the canonical source. I fully agree. The more interesting question is: who doesn't agree, and why? and the most important

Re: [9fans] etheresis driver

2010-05-04 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 10:16:36PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: if i had to guess, i'd imagine that the problem is in talking to the eeprom. do you have any additional information on the chip you have? for example, pci output or output from /dev/kmesg on boot? pngs are fine.

Re: [9fans] trivial error on cover of iwp94e proceedings

2010-05-04 Thread Nathaniel W Filardo
On Sun, May 02, 2010 at 04:09:53PM -0600, EBo wrote: The article Styx Caching via Journal Callbacks is listed with the author order as N.W. Filardo and V. Srinivas whereas the article order and table of contents list them in the reverse order. Venkatesh should be first author on that paper.

Re: [9fans] trivial error on cover of iwp94e proceedings

2010-05-04 Thread EBo
Nathaniel W Filardo n...@cs.jhu.edu said: On Sun, May 02, 2010 at 04:09:53PM -0600, EBo wrote: The article Styx Caching via Journal Callbacks is listed with the author order as N.W. Filardo and V. Srinivas whereas the article order and table of contents list them in the reverse order.

Re: [9fans] du and find

2010-05-04 Thread Jorden M
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 3 May 2010, at 19:34, Jorden M wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 10:53 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: It's always been easier for me to use python's/perl's regular expressions when I needed to

Re: [9fans] Distributed Pipelines

2010-05-04 Thread Jorden M
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:10 AM, David du Colombier 0in...@gmail.com wrote: Does it mean IL has performance issue on long-distance networks? As I understand it, the real problem is that Internet doesn't handle IL well. They are

Re: [9fans] du and find

2010-05-04 Thread Gabriel Díaz
Hello (about students/trainees and perl) Being able to recognize what you've studied in your daily work is quite difficult in most places. Also your work objectives are rarely related to the correctness, in the sense of science. I mean something correct or well enough for the business could

Re: [9fans] Distributed Pipelines

2010-05-04 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Jorden M jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: Did anyone experiment with using sliding windows in IL? Could help. The question I have, based on probably not enough knowledge: how much of what IL was intended to do is remedied by IPV6? One thing I recall is that a big problem

[9fans] lguest

2010-05-04 Thread ron minnich
well, the interface churn rule for Linux continues to apply. My lguest port won't work on newer kernels. To try to keep up, I've created this project: http://bitbucket.org/rminnich/9lguest/ And hope to have an up-to-date 9lguest ready today or tomorrow once I squash some more issues. I'll try

Re: [9fans] New user

2010-05-04 Thread Steve Simon
cd /sys/man; mk indices ty but mk fails with: mkindex: '/bin/mkindex' file does not exist Works here on native plan9. perhaps you are using 9vx? This installs only a subset of the plan9 distribution initially. -Steve

Re: [9fans] Distributed Pipelines

2010-05-04 Thread erik quanstrom
The question I have, based on probably not enough knowledge: how much of what IL was intended to do is remedied by IPV6? One thing I recall is that a big problem with v4 was that it did not preserve record boundaries, which seems won't be an issue in v6. What else did IL remedy, and how much

Re: [9fans] du and find

2010-05-04 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
My impression as an undergraduate in CS was that most of my peers were mechanics, rather than artists. They could ape things, but only few could see past what was shown and apply the principles abstractly. This may have to do with failure in the earlier education--I remember that again, peers

Re: [9fans] Distributed Pipelines

2010-05-04 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:16 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: i believe that it is tcp that doesn't preserve record boundaries, not ip. Let me rephrase. My understanding is that tcp on v6 preserves record boundaries. Is that wrong? perhaps you mean sctcp? i don't

Re: [9fans] etheresis driver

2010-05-04 Thread Jacob Todd
On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 09:48:32AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: looks like you may have an unsupported phy. there seem to be many options. (internal vs. external, etc.) if that's the case, neither ethersis or ether83815 support the phy you've got. That would suck. otoh, according to

Re: [9fans] Distributed Pipelines

2010-05-04 Thread Russ Cox
TCP doesn't preserve message boundaries. The pre-9P2000 kernels relied on having a transport protocol that preserved message boundaries in order to work one 9P packet at a time with ordinary read calls. You could work around it by pushing an fcall stream module to reinsert the boundaries on TCP,

[9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)

2010-05-04 Thread Jonas Amoson
I am thinking of the durability of the URL:s for the various IWP9 articles. if www.iwp9.org will be reused for further hosting, a subdirectory (as in 'papers/4e/') might be a good idea.I suppose that some domain bloat is hard to avoid, when things are so decentralised ;-) /jonas Here is a

Re: [9fans] Distributed Pipelines

2010-05-04 Thread erik quanstrom
So it doesn't matter anymore. The fix was in the 9P implementations, not IPv6. it doesn't matter anymore for 9p. but rx is still broken over tcp. - erik

Re: [9fans] etheresis driver

2010-05-04 Thread erik quanstrom
otoh, according to /lib/oui (and if I remember what you said before correctly), the ethernet address is 00e006 (00e006 silicon integrated sys. corp.). iirc, ea is supposed to be in the form 112233445566, so would I have in plan9.ini ea=ee66 ? /lib/oui is a list of prefixes.

[9fans] lguest and 2.6.33

2010-05-04 Thread ron minnich
well, I have a version working, in the sense that there is less corruption than before on output :-) Anyone is welcome to take a look. Hey, you can even point out what I did wrong :-) http://bitbucket.org/rminnich/9lguest/ ron

[9fans] lguest back again

2010-05-04 Thread ron minnich
OK, lguest support is back and working. and commited. Console I/O is a tad more efficient. Since we're using this port for the HARE project I expect we'll continue to clean it up, so if anyone wants anything let me know. ron

Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure

2010-05-04 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:23 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: The more interesting question is: who doesn't agree, and why? On 5/4/10, Pavel Klinkovsky pavel.klinkov...@gmail.com wrote: maybe it is time to try to pack-port some of Erik's stuff to the canonical source. I fully agree.

Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure

2010-05-04 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:57 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:23 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: The more interesting question is: who doesn't agree, and why? On 5/4/10, Pavel Klinkovsky pavel.klinkov...@gmail.com wrote: maybe it is time to try to

Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)

2010-05-04 Thread EBo
erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com said: On Tue May 4 16:05:13 EDT 2010, jonas.amo...@home.se wrote: I am thinking of the durability of the URL:s for the various IWP9 articles. if www.iwp9.org will be reused for further hosting, a subdirectory (as in 'papers/4e/') might be a good

[9fans] off-topic: Comparing genomes to computer operating systems

2010-05-04 Thread Fernan Bolando
Hi all Ever since I read about ken thompson comment on genetic biology. I started reading bits and pieces about it in various diygroups. You guys are the only computer science operating systems research type people I know, so I thought you guys might enjoy this.

Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)

2010-05-04 Thread erik quanstrom
would be Quanstrom2009a.pdf Quanstrom2009b.pdf or possibly something like Quanstrom2009AAN.pdf Quanstrom2009SR.pdf This would help with various maintenance and automation tasks. i'm not sure i understand how this would help. currently there is a single list of paper names. for your use,

Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)

2010-05-04 Thread EBo
i'm not sure i understand how this would help. currently there is a single list of paper names. for your use, these names are random. changing to a list of authors, years and a seperate sequence list per author sounds at best no less complicated to me. for your use, i believe such a

[9fans] 3-button mouse

2010-05-04 Thread Russ Cox
A correspondent recently sent me email to ask about where to find a good 3-button mouse for use with plan9port, but the question might equally apply to Plan 9 proper. I was disappointed to find that apparently IBM/Lenovo no longer sells the mouse that Andrey first alerted us to, with the big blue

Re: [9fans] 3-button mouse

2010-05-04 Thread Joseph Xu
On 05/04/2010 11:18 PM, Russ Cox wrote: A correspondent recently sent me email to ask about where to find a good 3-button mouse for use with plan9port, but the question might equally apply to Plan 9 proper. I was disappointed to find that apparently IBM/Lenovo no longer sells the mouse that

Re: [9fans] 3-button mouse

2010-05-04 Thread Bell Labs Plan 9
I've been buying IBM- or HP-branded mice such as http://www.amazon.com/3-Button-Optical-USB-Mouse-black/dp/B000FLUSEM

Re: [9fans] New user

2010-05-04 Thread Akshat Kumar
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:26 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: you have something in your path by the name of sed, sort, echo, sed which are executable but not $objtype binaries. $path is . /bin where . is /sys/man the are no sed, sort, or echo in . the ones residing in /bin

Re: [9fans] New user

2010-05-04 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:26 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: you have something in your path by the name of sed, sort, echo, sed which are executable but not $objtype binaries. $path is . /bin where . is /sys/man the are no sed, sort, or echo in . the ones

Re: [9fans] 3-button mouse

2010-05-04 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue May 4 23:22:19 EDT 2010, r...@swtch.com wrote: A correspondent recently sent me email to ask about where to find a good 3-button mouse for use with plan9port, but the question might equally apply to Plan 9 proper. I was disappointed to find that apparently IBM/Lenovo no longer sells

Re: [9fans] 3-button mouse

2010-05-04 Thread Don Bailey
Sun Microsystems USB 3-button mouse has always been my preferred mouse for Plan 9. Still is. And they're cheap. On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 9:52 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Tue May  4 23:22:19 EDT 2010, r...@swtch.com wrote: A correspondent recently sent me email to ask about

Re: [9fans] 3-button mouse

2010-05-04 Thread David Leimbach
Trackballs Kensington has a nice 4 button one with a scroll ring that I've been very very happy with. On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Don Bailey don.bai...@gmail.com wrote: Sun Microsystems USB 3-button mouse has always been my preferred mouse for Plan 9. Still is. And they're cheap. On

Re: [9fans] 3-button mouse

2010-05-04 Thread Akshat Kumar
There is no better supplier of true 3-button mice than Uriel. I use his Logitech 3-button mouse. Best, ak P.S.: Considering air fare, I think there is a fair bit of price inflation going on here. Definitely not a bargain. On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: ... Are

Re: [9fans] lguest back again

2010-05-04 Thread David Leimbach
is lguest the winning linux kernel technology of it's category today? On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:20 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: OK, lguest support is back and working. and commited. Console I/O is a tad more efficient. Since we're using this port for the HARE project I expect

Re: [9fans] lguest back again

2010-05-04 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:58 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: is lguest the winning linux kernel technology of it's category today? It really depends on what you want. For us, and what we need, lguest wins. See this paper to see why.