On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 09:07:07AM -0700, errno wrote:
> > But you're stuck, aren't you? As soon as, say, a browser is developed for
> > Plan 9 (assuming that someone could afford the resources), the standards
> > will change and the browser will need major surgery. Who's going to
> > invest in t
On May 6, 2011, at 1:36 AM, Anthony Sorace wrote:
>> 2. Ethernet card is not detected. I am not 100% sure there's nothing
>> different in the configuration, but I've made the plan9.ini look the same in
>> both VMs and still it fails to detect the NE2000 emulated ethernet card.
>> There are also
On May 6, 2011, at 10:05 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> i should have mentioned this change was made on 18 mar.
Using the plan9.tar.bz2 proved more fruitful. Perhaps there's something
unsavory about the way Finder mounts ISOs.
—
Daniel Lyons
i should have mentioned this change was made on 18 mar.
- erik
On Fri May 6 23:55:38 EDT 2011, fus...@storytotell.org wrote:
>
> On May 6, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Anthony Sorace wrote:
>
> > In addition to the tree Andrey noted, the general
> > answer is simply to download the normal distribution
> > image and use that. The effect is the same as using
> > the tr
On May 6, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> In addition to the tree Andrey noted, the general
> answer is simply to download the normal distribution
> image and use that. The effect is the same as using
> the tree Andrey pointed to and updating, but you'll
> save yourself time and work b
i hate to distract everyone from arguing about web browsers, but
here are a few notable changes to the 9atom kernel today.
- kernel support for cinap's realemu,
- support for incomplete apic entries in mp table via acpi, and
- support for bcm57xx ethernet (Julius Schmidt)
- ide drivers is now call
GuruPlug display is actually very practical and usable with the stock
linux and drawterm. if graphics was natively supported under Plan 9,
it too would make a nice terminal.
I've noticed that Android based pads and tablets are getting cheaper
-- about $150 for some. It might be interesting to port
On Friday, May 06, 2011 05:12:02 PM Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
> > A veneer of html + css + javascript over the intrinsically distributed
> > foundations of Plan 9, would provide the bridge for an entire class of
>
> > use-cases currently out of reach:
> Speaking in platitudes doesn't make a case. Ho
On Friday, May 06, 2011 04:56:26 PM Comeau At9Fans wrote:
> On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 7:47 PM, errno wrote:
> > When friends and family can comfortably use it, for activities other
> > than data-archival, then I can deploy it for uses beyond my own limited,
> > personal learning projects. The benefi
A veneer of html + css + javascript over the intrinsically distributed
foundations of Plan 9, would provide the bridge for an entire class of
use-cases currently out of reach:
Speaking in platitudes doesn't make a case. How specifically would
this tie in to 9p? How specifically does it fit i
On Friday, May 06, 2011 09:07:07 AM errno wrote:
> * said unit can comfortably support ~10 simultaneous users, each using
> super-cheap thin-clients at ~$200 dollars per unit
>
Make that ~$25 dollars per unit:
On Friday, May 06, 2011 03:15:46 PM Gorka Guardiola wrote:
> http://www.raspberrypi.or
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 7:47 PM, errno wrote:
> On Friday, May 06, 2011 03:32:26 PM Comeau At9Fans wrote:
> > How does this change things literally, conceptually and philosophically?
> > Consider this question across the board, for instance, can Plan 9 handle
> > it (whatever that means)? How doe
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 7:18 PM, errno wrote:
>
> Quick attempt at damage control, hope it's not too late:
>
> On Friday, May 06, 2011 03:32:26 PM Comeau At9Fans wrote:
> > [...] errno pulls this off. [...] something like FireFox working on Plan
> 9.
> > Let's say that the executable is fully func
On Friday, May 06, 2011 03:32:26 PM Comeau At9Fans wrote:
> How does this change things literally, conceptually and philosophically?
> Consider this question across the board, for instance, can Plan 9 handle
> it (whatever that means)? How does it change Plan 9's future? What I'm
> getting at
Quick attempt at damage control, hope it's not too late:
On Friday, May 06, 2011 03:32:26 PM Comeau At9Fans wrote:
> [...] errno pulls this off. [...] something like FireFox working on Plan 9.
> Let's say that the executable is fully functional
>
People may take it you literally mean: Firefox-
> How does this change things literally, conceptually and
> philosophically?
If I can have plan9 as my daily desktop machine I'll be using a lot
more of it, which means there'll be a few things that will annoy me
and a few things that I can fix. I'll be able to dedicate more of my
'free time' towa
I saw this as well. I hope it becomes a reality. $25 seems like a bit of a
stretch though.
- Jason
On May 6, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Gorka Guardiola wrote:
http://www.raspberrypi.org/
G.
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 8:59 AM, erik quanstrom
wrote:
> > Do you not think it's possible or worthwhile to have a great(er) desktop
> > (or consumer-oriented embedded device) experience built atop Plan 9?
>
> i'm not 100% sure what the op ment. but one way one could
> read it is that plan 9 is f
http://www.raspberrypi.org/
G.
Thanks, all!
--
Daniel Lyons
for a complete install from sources, pull my hg tree and do a mk install
ron
On Friday, May 06, 2011 09:29:33 AM Jack Norton wrote:
> You've got some misplaced idealism.
>
Yeah you're probably right.
> In the end though, the list will eventually say it: start hammering out
> some code and we'll see what you come up with. Proof in the pudding.
>
Truth.
> errno wrote:
In addition to the tree Andrey noted, the general
answer is simply to download the normal distribution
image and use that. The effect is the same as using
the tree Andrey pointed to and updating, but you'll
save yourself time and work by just grabbing the
current image.
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/
> I'm certain you're right. But it's a concrete and approachable starting
> place for me, that corresponds well to my _current_ level of experience
> and ability with plan 9. I expect that after a certain point, I would ditch it
> and start fresh with the new insights and wisdom gained from the in
Russ Cox posted a full tree here:
http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~rsc/plan9.tar.bz2
On the 9vx homepage, it says 9vx comes with a "minimal" Plan 9
install. How would one go about making into a complete install?
Running /usr/glenda/bin/rc/pull doesn't seem to work:
post...
replica/compactdb: opendb /n/boot/dist/replica/client/plan9.db:
'/n/boot/dist/replica/client/plan9.db' does n
On May 6, 2011, at 8:59 AM, John Floren wrote:
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Bakul Shah
wrote:
Well designed documents that use multiple fonts, graphical
elements, white
space, colors, pictures are far easier on one's eyes.
Yes, and then on the other hand, you have web pages. Oh, wait,
errno wrote:
So, what to do?
The Web:
Reject it? (aka "go buy a tablet" )
Reproduce it? (aka "have you looked at webfs?" )
Reuse it? (aka "port webkit")
There's no possible way that I'm the only one who has envisioned
some rendition of the following science-fiction:
* a Plan 9-based plat
On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 08:45:24AM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
>[...]
> Well designed documents that use multiple fonts, graphical elements,
> white space, colors, pictures are far easier on one's eyes. It would
> be great if such pages can be viewed, and even better, created on
> plan9. HTML i
I'm aware that 9fans doesn't usually take kindly to speculative fiction,
conjecture, or speculation. Please forgive me, I'm writing with honest
intentions.
On Friday, May 06, 2011 05:07:21 AM Lucio De Re wrote:
> On Thu, May 05, 2011 at 11:45:27PM -0700, errno wrote:
> > I'm tired of maintaining
On Friday, May 06, 2011 05:59:25 AM erik quanstrom wrote:
> > In other words, I think I can manage to eventually port small ad-hoc
> > stuff; and then slowly "bake" it closer and closer to something that
> > is more and more "9'ish".
>
> i hope that works for you. unfortunately, i think that proc
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Bakul Shah wrote:
> Well designed documents that use multiple fonts, graphical elements, white
> space, colors, pictures are far easier on one's eyes.
Yes, and then on the other hand, you have web pages. Oh, wait, you
weren't talking about postscript documents? :-)
On May 6, 2011, at 12:08 AM, ron minnich wrote:
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 8:45 AM, errno wrote:
After a few months of reading and learning and actual hands-on
experience, I've found that rio and acme and mk and 8c ,etc., are
far less interesting than union directories, per-process namespaces,
9
On May 6, 2011, at 1:36 AM, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> I have a VM that I created under Parallels 5 and am currently running under
> 6. It's several months old.
I seem to have gotten my version numbers mixed up. It's Parallels 6 over here
as well.
>> 1. ps2intellimouse: scrolling works if you're
> Just compare ratrace to strace some time. Sometimes, if you get some
> initial structure right, you can see 100:1 code shrinkage *and* a
> pretty good result.
phrasing!
- erik
> In other words, I think I can manage to eventually port small ad-hoc
> stuff; and then slowly "bake" it closer and closer to something that
> is more and more "9'ish".
i hope that works for you. unfortunately, i think that process
will be a lot like making a pig into a supermodel by starting wi
On Thu, May 05, 2011 at 11:45:27PM -0700, errno wrote:
>
> I'm tired of maintaining everyone's computers in my house on an ad-hoc
> basis; and I think I could deploy a higher performing, more maintainable,
> but overall cheaper network with Plan 9. But I can hardly expect visitors
> and family to
I have a VM that I created under Parallels 5 and am currently running under 6.
It's several months old.
> 1. ps2intellimouse: scrolling works if you're scrolling down, but if you make
> the scroll up gesture, the mouse skitters off to the right and really doesn't
> scroll back up. Anyone seen t
On Friday, May 06, 2011 12:08:08 AM ron minnich wrote:
> > After a few months of reading and learning and actual hands-on
> > experience, I've found that rio and acme and mk and 8c ,etc., are
> > far less interesting than union directories, per-process namespaces,
> > 9p and intrinsic, ubiquitous d
Look at the 2d tiling of "tabs" in abaco and tell me it's not pretty neat :-)
In fact I way prefer abaco layout to every other browser I've used.
ron
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 09:35:15 PM ron minnich wrote:
> The reason I asked if errno had looked at webfs was that he can do the
> standard thing (port some C++/Python Library From Hell to Plan 9)
>
The above described standard thing is more in line with my capabilities.
Porting clang is well b
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 8:45 AM, errno wrote:
> The above described standard thing is more in line with my capabilities.
yes, but that is not the issue, or should not be. The issue should be
"what's the way to get to goal in an esthetic manner".
There's plenty of systems you can take what you k
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:20:47 PM Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> it is (or was) in fgb's contrib. he ported it over back in 2006.
>
> cpue% js
> js> help()
> JavaScript-C 1.5 pre-release 6a 2004-06-09
>
Right on.
One step closer to web domination from a plan 9 platform.
(:
Thankyou kindly for
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> it is (or was) in fgb's contrib. he ported it over back in 2006.
>
> cpue% js
> js> help()
> JavaScript-C 1.5 pre-release 6a 2004-06-09
>
So it is even better, than I thought :-).
G.
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