oh yea a apple RD from 1989 that justifies everything, they're not even
trying to sell mac os computers irony
its like Microsoft release a study saying widows are better than apples
or even microsoft is more productive than macOS or linux
just in a quick google search
wrong malign list
Indubitably!
What I find really curious about the mouse vs keyboard argument is
that so few people are willing to test and quantify it. I ran into an
HCI researcher a while back and posed the mouse/keyboard question to
him and he just said Fitts's law(ie. that the mouse requires more
movement and therefore it
On Jun 16, 2:57 pm, pau...@gmail.com (Gorka Guardiola) wrote:
On Jun 16, 2011, at 9:30 AM, antonio@gmail.com antonio@gmail.com
For blind people the mouse is useless.
To people who cannot move, a
keyboard is useless. What is your point
exactly?. You have a braille line driver
[...]
I'd like to point out that mice (or rather, pointing devices) come in
different flavours. IBM's trackpoint, is, in my view, rather different
device from usability perspective, and most of the mouse critique in
this thread or elsewhere doesn't apply to it, while many of the stated
benefits
If you like mousing, mouse. If you like typing, type. One could even
imagine doing one or the other as appropriate.
Eating is faster than singing.
-rob
hello
this reminds me something:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9kTVZiJ3Ucfeature=related
slds.
gabi
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Rob Pike robp...@gmail.com wrote:
If you like mousing, mouse. If you like typing, type. One could even
imagine doing one or the other as appropriate.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Rob Pike robp...@gmail.com wrote:
If you like mousing, mouse. If you like typing, type. One could even
imagine doing one or the other as appropriate.
Eating is faster than singing.
-rob
i hate typing a few words than grabbing for the mouse then click then
I have been working in a visually impaired school and I told to the
list what I saw.
For me is easier to use the mouse than the keyboard-shortcuts, but for
blind people mouse is useless and they are heavy users of computers,
it is not the same as your example.
Since doing a pull recently my keyfs will not start reporting that all
my keys have no termination - the key file is corrupted
compared to what keyfs expects. I have checked against older keyfs's
and older /adm/keys in my venti and nothing has changed
(so perhaps the pull is purely a coincidence.
On Friday 17 of June 2011 12:36:21 Rogelio Serrano wrote:
i hate typing a few words than grabbing for the mouse then click then
back to typing a few more words etc etc...
the layout of your desk matters. Most important, the angles of your arm when
using mouse. Second mouse shape, third the
Now that you mention the trackpoint - is there an easy way to fit one
into my cherry keyboard?
Also, where is my wearable wireless thumb trackpoint?
Some people's contribution to this discussion is really null and
irritating..
They go like Pfff Apple did this for the customers! oh yeah, and by the
way, the keyboard is faster in general
Well, at least apple has indeed made the effort to publish a research!
Attracting customers or not, this
I've just tried booting Plan 9 on a borrowed SL510 (very low-end and
low-cost but still thinkpad-branded Lenovo). Seems to run OK;
ethernet works; disk works if bios ahci config is set to compatible.
Vesa vga didn't seem to offer anything better than 1024x768.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Guilherme Lino guih.l...@gmail.com wrote:
better with it... but generally keyboard is much faster on most day tasks,
people just don't have the patience to learn it
Measuring the keyboard versus mouse speed is such a trivial experiment
to repeat.
Still, as Noah
On Jun 17, 2011, at 5:16 AM, Noah Evans noah.ev...@gmail.com wrote:
.., a bit
disappointed that people seem content to rely on intuition rather than
measurement to understand the problem.
The assumption that something is fact or obvious I've observed is indeed often
a
1. insert a character in a line? - I usually retype the whole line with .c
2. indent a line - i usually retype the whole line.
fernan
2011/6/17 Fernan Bolando fernanbola...@mailc.net:
1. insert a character in a line? - I usually retype the whole line with .c
s/^/c/
2. indent a line - i usually retype the whole line.
The same, where c == \t
--
- yiyus || JGL .
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:04 PM, yy yiyu@gmail.com wrote:
2011/6/17 Fernan Bolando fernanbola...@mailc.net:
1. insert a character in a line? - I usually retype the whole line with .c
s/^/c/
what if I want to insert it in the middle of the line?
2. indent a line - i usually retype the
If you want to change:
in ed, how to in fred, how, do something like this:
s/in ed/in fred/
John
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Fernan Bolando fernanbola...@mailc.net wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:04 PM, yy yiyu@gmail.com wrote:
2011/6/17 Fernan Bolando fernanbola...@mailc.net:
On Friday 17 of June 2011 16:55:41 Fernan Bolando wrote:
1. insert a character in a line? - I usually retype the whole line with .c
if you have a line in the form:
foo bar BAZ frob knob
and want to insert text after BAZ, do:
s,BAZ, new text new text,
where the `' stands for whatever was
On Friday 17 of June 2011 16:55:41 Fernan Bolando wrote:
2. indent a line - i usually retype the whole line.
to indent several lines, you could do
1) set dot to range, like 1,5
2) s,^, ,g
(a tab between second and third coma)
but that'd indent the empty ones too :(
you want
1) set dot to
On Jun 17, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Fernan Bolando fernanbola...@mailc.net
wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:04 PM, yy yiyu@gmail.com wrote:
2011/6/17 Fernan Bolando fernanbola...@mailc.net:
1. insert a character in a line? - I usually retype the whole line
with .c
s/^/c/
what if I want
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote:
On Jun 17, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Fernan Bolando fernanbola...@mailc.net wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:04 PM, yy yiyu@gmail.com wrote:
2011/6/17 Fernan Bolando fernanbola...@mailc.net:
1. insert a character in a
On Friday 17 of June 2011 17:22:37 Bakul Shah wrote:
On Jun 17, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Fernan Bolando fernanbola...@mailc.net
wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:04 PM, yy yiyu@gmail.com wrote:
2011/6/17 Fernan Bolando fernanbola...@mailc.net:
1. insert a character in a line? - I usually
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:18:20AM -0400, Joel C. Salomon wrote:
[...]
OK to generate automatically. But ?ae???æ? and ?oe?, c.?please
don?t make these substitutions
I have already found (and answered) that oe can not be a ligature
since, even in french, the oe sequence appears in words
It sounds easy. But few folks on this list are HCI researchers (I'll tell
you it's odd going from GPU design to HCI - but it's fun!).
None of the micro-tasks (mouse vs keyboard) that folks are going on about on
this list is meaningful to measure. We know keyboards are good for some
things, and
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Paul Lalonde paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com wrote:
It sounds easy. But few folks on this list are HCI researchers (I'll tell
you it's odd going from GPU design to HCI - but it's fun!).
None of the micro-tasks (mouse vs keyboard) that folks are going on about on
mousing is faster if ed is running in a rio window :)
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote:
On Jun 17, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Fernan Bolando fernanbola...@mailc.net wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:04 PM, yy yiyu@gmail.com wrote:
2011/6/17 Fernan Bolando
On Friday 17 of June 2011 18:18:14 Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
mousing is faster if ed is running in a rio window :)
back when I was text-moder on an 486, mouse via gpm was quite a speed-up for
work in Midnight Commander and CLI [1]
but porting gpm to p9 would require cursor addressing, you don't
I am all for more intuitive HCI design but frankly, if the small speed
difference either way in mousing vs typing saves you enough time to make it
worth retraining your brain and fingers, you are spending way too much time in
front of the puter and have already shortened your life by more than
On 17 June 2011 19:54, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote:
I am all for more intuitive HCI design but frankly, if the small speed
difference either way in mousing vs typing saves you enough time to make it
worth retraining your brain and fingers, you are spending way too much time
in front
I agree with the wait-lock theory of clicking keys, it applies to just about
anything involving intention, execution and outcome. Good it worked! or
DOH!WTF? .. these impressions I think are at the heart of a human,
experimentation=survival thing. That said, I also agree that the ideal
interface
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:59:31 +0300 Harri Haataja realbla...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17 June 2011 19:54, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote:
I am all for more intuitive HCI design but frankly, if the small speed
difference either way in mousing vs typing saves you enough time to make it
worth
On 06/17/2011 11:37 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:18:20AM -0400, Joel C. Salomon wrote:
At which point you've reinvented XeTeX.
I've given a look at it. I don't want to start a discussion about
Unicode, since, supplementary to the characters
snip
there are
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:07:42PM -0400, Joel C. Salomon wrote:
On 06/17/2011 11:37 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
[...]
but no hieroglyphes or Linear B, so it's not complete ;)
The fonts may be lacking, but Hieroglyphs Linear B *are* in Unicode;
see
On Friday, June 17, 2011 12:57:37 AM Guilherme Lino wrote:
oh yea a apple RD from 1989 that justifies everything
Heheh, and you know it's worse even than that. Because, _what_
Apple RD? Where can I review the tests and measurements - and
the parameters involved thereof - performed in this
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:31 PM, simon softnet ph.soft...@gmail.com wrote:
Some people's contribution to this discussion is really null and
irritating..
They go like Pfff Apple did this for the customers! oh yeah, and by the
way, the keyboard is faster in general
Well, at least apple has
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Guilherme Lino guih.l...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:31 PM, simon softnet ph.soft...@gmail.com wrote:
Some people's contribution to this discussion is really null and
irritating..
They go like Pfff Apple did this for the customers! oh yeah,
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:23 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135
Dave
The best part of these kind of threads is how they bring out all the
people who we've never, ever seen post before--the been meaning to
try this Plan 9 thing brigade, etc.
Thanks to those who replied,
It turned out to be a combination of corrupted nvram (flakey disk?),
and finger trouble - I replaced the corrupt hostowner key with
an incorrect one.
-Steve
As many already pointed out, the keyboard vs mouse debate is, somehow,
useless. It's actually the application you use to be made to use the
keyboard and mouse in a efficient manner.
The most productive applications I used (in general, for the jobs they were
intended) were Blender, Labcenter
And I can point the worst application I ever had to use to be Cadence Orcad
Layout version 9.2/10 (I didn't bothered to use a newer version because the
harm was made). This one has long and deep menus, hard to remember shortcuts
and simply you couldn't prioritize the interface to have what
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:47 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote:
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:23 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135
Dave
The best part of these kind of threads is how they bring out all the
people who
to indent several lines, you could do
1) set dot to range, like 1,5
2) s,^, ,g
I believe you can't set dot to a range in ed, just to a single line. Your
sugestion applies to sam, though. In ed, you should give range with
command:
1,5s,^, ,g
Best,
Maurício
I still think your contribution is null and irritating.
First of all, it's too long and it doesn't say anything of essence.
What's all this mumbling about your girlfriend and gamers?
Thanks for suggesting that I try and use vim in unix.
I am 26 years old now. I have been using vim since I was 17
I made a typo:
a other
start sector: 11739138
end [11739138..78155217]
However, I can, by hand, type in
echo part other 11739138 89904498 /dev/sdC0/ctl
I meant:
echo part other 11739201 98804561 /dev/sdC0/ctl
(because plan9 partition is offset 63 from the beginning of
the disk but
Who are you replying to again? This thread has become total nonsense.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 17, 2011, at 4:03 PM, simon softnet ph.soft...@gmail.com wrote:
I still think your contribution is null and irritating.
First of all, it's too long and it doesn't say anything of essence.
What's
I was replying to guih.lino _at_ gmail.com
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 2:35 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote:
Who are you replying to again? This thread has become total nonsense.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 17, 2011, at 4:03 PM, simon softnet ph.soft...@gmail.com wrote:
I still
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:42 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:47 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote:
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:23 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135
Dave
The
As the guy who literally wrote the book on this, please may I
recommend some offline reading?
-rob
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