On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Steve Simon wrote:
> > Let me repeat that the question is/was, "Who uses Plan9 in the Offices,
> > homes and, or cafes for commercial and, or industrial application".
>
> I use plan9 at home and at work as a development environment. It is my
> primary desktop OS,
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:33 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > > not that i can think of. but that addresses throughput, but not
> latency.
> >
> >
> > Right, but with better throughput overall, you can "hide" latency in some
> > applications. That's what HTTP does with this AJAX fun right?
> >
> >
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:52 AM, maht wrote:
> one issue with multiple 9p requests is that tags are not order enforced
>
> consider the contrived directory tree
>
> 1/a/a
> 1/a/b
> 1/b/a
> 1/b/b
>
> Twalk 1 fid 1
> Twalk 2 fid a
> Twalk 3 fid b
>
> Tag 3 could conceivably arrive at the server bef
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 1:19 AM, roger peppe wrote:
> 2009/4/20 andrey mirtchovski :
> >> with 9p, this takes a number of walks...
> >
> > shouldn't that be just one walk?
> >
> > % ramfs -D
> > ...
> > % mkdir -p /tmp/one/two/three/four/five/six
> > ...
> > % cd /tmp/one/two/three/four/five/six
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:25 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > > if the problem with 9p is latency, then here's a decision that could be
> > > revisisted. it would be a complication, but it seems to me better than
> > > a http-like protocol, bundling requets together or moving to a storage-
> > > ori
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:06 AM, roger peppe wrote:
> 2009/4/21 David Leimbach :
> > Roger... this sounds pretty promising.
>
> i dunno, there are always hidden dragons in this area,
> and forsyth, rsc and others are better at seeing them than i.
>
Perhaps... but this di
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Ramon de Vera wrote:
> Thanks Preston, Thanks Eris,
>
> I'll take the qemu approach then. I'd rather not start
> patching/recompiling plan 9 kernels just yet. :-)
Compiling kernels is pretty simple on plan 9.
>
>
> Thanks again,
> Mon
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:17 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > back, the GAS pass failed with a segmentation violation.
>
> unfortunate! that's gotta hurt. ☺
>
> - erik
>
> Seems like you'd have to change your pants after a GAS pass segmentation
violation.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:28 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > as a starting point, i'd envisaged simply changing the existing
> > system calls to do sequences.
> >
> [...]
> >
> > Sequence: adt {
> > queue: fn(seq: self ref Sequence, m: Tmsg, tag: any);
> > wait: fn(seq: self ref Sequenc
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 5:31 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Anant Narayanan wrote:
> > On 24-May-09, at 2:17 AM, ron minnich wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 4:59 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There are plenty of mirrors, I'm pretty sure the "sources is do
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 4:38 PM, wrote:
> Mr Leimbach,
>
> ===8<===
>
>>
>> How would one know one wasn't getting old data? I've not really looked
>> into replica much though honestly to know how it works, I've just followed
>> the wiki about "staying up to date". Perhaps the wiki could be mirr
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 1:37 PM, wrote:
> I've just pushed out to sources a new USB implementation, courtesy of
> nemo, who debugged and repaired our old UHCI and OHCI drivers, wrote a
> new EHCI driver for USB 2, converted the user-mode drivers in /bin/usb
> and tested it all, among other things
Great stuff!
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Uriel wrote:
> A while ago for convenience and as an experiment I started to collect
> and aggregate the blogs of 9fans and other Plan 9 and Inferno folks at
> http://planet9.cat-v.org Others have started to find it useful so I
> thought I'd make a f
Having looked into this a bit, it appears to be more like 9vx than QEMU
(uses segmenting capabilities), that is, unless I've forgotten how 9vx is
set up.
I believe some X11 stuff also uses segment registers, as well as TLS on
Linux.
I
"get it". Especially that they're shooting for Native Arm. It
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Jeff Sickel wrote:
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 12:16 AM, Russ Cox wrote:
>
> label has changed. However, I could not get this
>> to work. Perhaps there are Carbon experts here
>> who will have better luck.
>>
>
> I'm actually just in the process of getting rid of the
Very neat!
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Josh Wood wrote:
> I'm happy to say Plan 9 is now a supported platform for the "Discount"
> tools for processing the Markdown format. One can grab Discount from
> its home page (http://www.pell.portland.or.us/~orc/Code/markdown/) &
> use an included
COOL! So there's a Scheme in the works for Inferno and Plan 9?
Dave
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Devon H. O'Dell wrote:
> 2009/6/25 andrey mirtchovski :
> > Mentions Plan 9 just at the end in the context of C compilers,
> > although the argument of the article, that being able to "do more wi
06/17/write-apps-iphone-scheme/
> Though I suspect a port to plan9 may be harder than iphone.
>
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:53:11 PDT David Leimbach
> wrote:
> >
> > COOL! So there's a Scheme in the works for Inferno and Plan 9?
> > Dave
> >
> > On
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Devon H. O'Dell wrote:
> 2009/6/29 Brad Frank :
> > What kinds of modifications would be necessary to get plan9 booting on
> > intel macs? The latest releases don't seem to boot, they just hang.
>
> EFI, at a minimum.
>
>
What of rEFIt or Boot Camp? They have BIOS
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Russ Cox wrote:
> Arguing about mouse vs keyboard misses the point.
> I'm very happy with acme's use of the mouse, but
> acme's power comes from the rest of its design.
>
> Russ
>
>
Even in Emacs, I use the mouse because pointing the insertion point or
cursor or w
You totally misrepresented yourself with 2 questions
You can download Plan 9 from any OS that will let you have an internet
connection and download plan 9. When you install it you can install it
virtualized or on hardware, but check the wiki and documentation for
successful configurations perh
"uh" I don't know.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Brantley Coile wrote:
> Hopefully this is not the same kind of question as "Since data goes in both
> directions, why do you call it streams?"
>
> Does anyone know why u.h is named u.h?
>
> Brantley
>
>
>
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
> > So why all is always "Linux
> > based" ?
>
> Because linux has an army of volunteers hacking up drivers for
> everybody's weird undocumented ever-changing hardware.
>
> > "The software architecture is simple - Google Ch
Indeed, Voltaire had it right. Better is the enemy... (of my enemy is my
friend??)
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:10 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > > I expect to see code immediately, by the way, finished or not, and you
> better be
> > > around to answer my questions.
> >
> > You have something here:
I just tried to load plan 9 on a machine that it used to run on, but now,
for some reason, can not find it's CD drive.
It's an old AMD Athlon, circa 2000 if I recall correctly, and when booting
from the plan 9 CD, it does not find the CD drive.
I thought at first I might try to figure out exactly
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:58 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Mon Jul 13 11:48:01 EDT 2009, rminn...@gmail.com wrote:
> > http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=49#power-bundle
> >
> > DESCRIPTION PRICE QTY TOTAL
> > Bundle: Intel DG45FC, Jou Jye 528i Case, 2GB RAM, 2.5in HDD Tray
> >
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Rob Pike wrote:
> I always intended to do something about that but never got around to
> it. Other things took precedence.
>
> In any case I doubt it could ever work as well in Acme as it does in
> Oberon.
>
> -rob
>
Rio works nicely though, and thanks for that!
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Steve Simon wrote:
> > Eric and myself, and I think maybe Ron, are using acme and acme-sac to
> > interact with a BlueGene/P system.
>
> Not as glamorous, but an alternative senario - I use sam and rio
> to write embedded and windows code.
>
> I edit the code wit
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:07 PM, John Floren wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:59 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Steve Simon
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Eric and myself, and I think maybe Ron, are using acme and
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Noah Evans wrote:
> http://9fans.net/archive/2008/05/6
Haskell *will* tell you errors that don't make any sense (at least GHC
errors) when you don't have things like this done properly
do x <- foo
y <- bar
the y <- bar must be directly under the x on the previ
Just tried this from the mercurial snapshot from last night.
fontsrv appears to work but complains about fuse not being set up properly.
Does this mean acme is not going to work?
Should I be asking this on the plan9port mailing list?
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Russ Cox wrote:
> This conv
fgb, your ability to hack is mighty indeed :-)
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Federico G. Benavento
wrote:
> acme is more than a buffer with text to edit, it also has the
> filesystem interface
> that allows programs to be written specifically for it (Mail, Wiki, etc).
> I never thought that do
Did you run secstored and factotum before or after starting stuff like Rio?
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 7:09 AM, mattmob...@proweb.co.uk <
mattmob...@proweb.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> when I've got secstored running on the cpu/auth, drawterm asks me for my
> secstore password and then factotum does as w
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:08 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> > a few things:
> >
> > 1) note that when the web site is down, sources may still be up
> > (someone in IRC made this mistake). i run an automated availability
> > check of sources every
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <9...@9netics.com> wrote:
> > The few minutes spent learning ed(1) will be well repaid. You'll be
> > one of the smartest guys on your block.
>
> i second that. learning it has been one of the best investments of my
> time since 1982.
>
>
> ed is
ctrl-p is reboot!? That's surprising. I thought it was Ctrl-t-t r.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Corey wrote:
>
> I was booted into my cpu/auth server's terminal; then pressed ctrl-p by
> accident in a rio window; which caused the machine to immediately reboot -
> and now it gets to partic
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:13 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > ... but which would be considered the most logical place to deal with
> > things such as setting hd parameters for the machine on bootup like
> > the 'echo dma on > /dev/sdC0/ctl' example above?
>
> also see dmaon(8). just as an obvious n
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:57 AM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Yeah, I'm pretty sure that, in an emulated environment, I'd pick kfs over
> > Venti, most of the time, unless your goal is to learn about Venti and
> Fossil
>
> Why specifically in an emulated environment?
>
Just because it
And rather than reply to them, they're best left unstirred... oops I broke
my own rule.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Rodolfo (kix) wrote:
> Some post are very constructive ...
>
> vim is not Linux, sometimes I use it on Windows :-)
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Kix wrote:
> > Some
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Jason Catena wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 14:36, root wrote:
>
>> unsuscribe
>>
>>
> I guess Unix isn't interested in Plan 9 anymore.
> Jason Catena
>
>
It doesn't understand these youngins...
A buddy of mine just got this: asus p5ql/epu motherboard. It came with
Splashtop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splashtop
... which is a linux distribution that boots in like 5 seconds or so.
Complete with BlackBox for a window manager, Skype, an instant messager
client and firefox.
I wonder if
,s/Syllable/Plan 9/g
See that was easy.
But seriously what are you after? Flamewar? Trolling? If you read 9fans
you'll get more information than this little marketing excerpt about yet
another obscure operating system.
Dave
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Balwinder S Dheeman <
bsd.sans...@cto
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Benjamin Huntsman <
bhunts...@mail2.cu-portland.edu> wrote:
> Oops... looks like I forgot to finish my thought:
>
> I was one of those people, and I must say, the sd drivers work great and
> seem to offer a degree of flexibility that the "stock" driver does not.
>
Is that not still based on NewOS?
http://newos.org/
At least I think that's the kernel they were using for a while (I ran newOS
briefly a long time ago "raw". It had enough stuff to get you to a shell
and an irc client from a boot floppy IIRC)
That was done by Travis Geiselbrecht
who worked at D
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:13 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 5:13 AM, plus 852 wrote:
> > Is it possible to use sam as an external editor for the mail programs
> > mutt or pine? If so, is anyone doing this? What does one add to a mutt
> > or pine config file to get this working?
> >
Wow Where's parallels 4. I doubt I qualify for a free one. And VMWare
Fusion really sucks with Plan 9 at the moment :-(
Dave
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:36 PM, wrote:
> Plan 9, including vga, runs fine in Parallels 4.
>
> The new vesa driver will only use mtrrs if the cpuid
> instruction say
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:56 PM, roger peppe wrote:
> the time problem i was having before (fast clock) had seemed to be
> irreproducible. however just now, i noticed the following
> odd behaviour:
>
> fiddle% date -u
> Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 GMT 1970
> fiddle% cat /dev/time
> 0
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Bakul Shah
> wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:12:08 PDT David Leimbach
> wrote:
> > Wow Where's parallels 4. I doubt I qualify for a free one. And
> VMWare
> > Fusion really sucks with Plan 9 at the moment :-(
>
> qemu
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Bakul Shah
> wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:47:25 PDT David Leimbach
> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Bakul Shah
> > <
> bakul%2bpl...@bitblocks.com >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > O
Steve, can you list the total configuration of this machine... motherboard
model etc? This sounds a lot like what I was thinking of building for home.
I also would like to try Erik's new ISO, but sadly, haven't had a lot of
free time to do anything with it. (I already downloaded it)
Dave
On Tue
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:30 PM, John Floren wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Corey wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 August 2009 19:42:54 Anthony Sorace wrote:
> >> > * I hope I don't get beat up on this one (well, I hope I don't get too
> >> > beat up on _any_ of these questions...), but it s
>
>
>
> Now here's the point. I and a billion other people HAVE MORE FUN THINGS TO
> DO THAN FRET ABOUT SECURITY. A weak OS needs me to put in boring work...
>
Hah... yes, that would be why I'm merely reading this thread instead of
adding to it... Oh crap, nevermind :-)
>
>
> --
> Ethan Grammat
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Lyons wrote:
>
> On Aug 7, 2009, at 7:06 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote:
>
> X11 isn't a desktop, it tries very hard not to define a look and feel, but
>> it has to include inter-app communications to support the supposedly
>> desirable drag & drop as well a
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:57 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> >
> > i don't know where it's getting the 9pcf that it's putting in 9fat. it
> > doesn't appear to be the same as /386/9pcf from the cd. (there's
> > only one.)
> >
> > as soon as i figure that out, this will probablly all work.
>
> okay.
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:24 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > (Did you ever notice it puts it back when it's done? Error window
> > pops up, mouse moves there; delete the window, mouse moves back.)
>
> worth one smile per day, after all these years.
>
☺
>
> - erik
>
>
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Tim Newsham wrote:
> I'm not sure either latency or RT is proper terminology here. But
>> I believe what I meant was clear: when you need overall latency
>> to be around 5ms you start to notice 9P.
>>
>
> It sounds like you have a specific app in mind, and a real
On 8/13/09, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> we don't use te*xt for 9p, do we?
>
> the difference being, 9p is the transport not
> the representation of the data and 9p has
> a fixed set of messages.
>
Also 9p aims at file systems pretty obviously where Thirft is a
generic RPC mechanism with stub compile
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:13:58 +0200
> Bela Valek wrote:
>
> > Correct me if I am wrong, but an sshv2 server is also providing sshv1
> > too.
>
> I vaguely remember reading that some ssh software would refuse to work
> with ssh v1 by def
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Daniel Lyons wrote:
>
> On Aug 13, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Aaron W. Hsu wrote:
>
> So, I was browsing around the other day looking at Acme resources, and I
>> discovered an old post from 1995 wherein someone advocated the use of
>> proportional fonts for programming in
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Uriel wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:27 PM, David Leimbach wrote:
> > On 8/13/09, erik quanstrom wrote:
> >>> we don't use te*xt for 9p, do we?
> >>
> >> the difference being, 9p is the transport not
> >
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:44 AM, ron minnich wrote:
> It had to happen:
> System and method for accessing SMASH-CLP commands as a web service
> United States Patent Application 20080016143
Oh there's absolutely no prior art there ... in the namespace thing.
I think I'm going to patent patenti
Just fired up my plan 9 image in VMWare, and I noticed that gnot is showing
a large amount of interrupts, and then the whole tracking of the system
interrupts goes to nothing, the mouse stops working, and things are
generally frozen.
However, the odd bit is at one point time seemed to speed up and
now i am getting repeated soverflow for fx->in messages repeatedly.
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:20 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
> Just fired up my plan 9 image in VMWare, and I noticed that gnot is showing
> a large amount of interrupts, and then the whole tracking of the system
> interr
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Tue Aug 18 10:28:44 EDT 2009, leim...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > now i am getting repeated soverflow for fx->in messages repeatedly.
> >
>
> it sounds like the interrupt handler takes long enough that
> there is no time to process the incomin
I'm interested in doing some stuff with the Palm Pre. I'm actually looking
at the javascript implementations of it as well. I just have practically no
time to invest these days in this stuff.
I think someone already got some of the plan 9 userspace tools on here
though.
Dave
On Thu, Aug 27, 200
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:16 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > 2009/8/26 erik quanstrom :
> > > it contains all the changes from the last 10 days.
> > > should fix all reported problems, except béla's.
> >
> > Could you post the link? I am new to this list and plan9, and i can
> > not find a 9atom.iso
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:59 AM, C H Forsyth wrote:
> >I'm actually looking at the javascript implementations of [9p] as well.
>
> has javascript finally got support for binary data?
>
I haven't been following. I find a lot of "web stuff" to be off-putting, so
I've not been keeping up. base64
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:05 AM, ron minnich wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:51 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
>
> > I think there's work going on to use plan 9 to load plan 9 (maybe?) to
> > replace 9load.
>
> It's a gsoc project for Iruata to which I just gav
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:57 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > I haven't been following. I find a lot of "web stuff" to be off-putting,
> so
> > I've not been keeping up. base64 encoding stuff is crap but could
> suffice
> > in a pinch.
>
> uh, i don't think so. 9p2000 doesn't have a base64 encodi
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:16 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > 2009/8/26 erik quanstrom :
> > > it contains all the changes from the last 10 days.
> > > should fix all reported problems, except béla's.
> >
> > Could you post the link? I am new to this list and plan9, and i can
> > not find a 9atom.iso
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:20 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > I really don't understand why, from home or work, I can't download this
> > thing...
> >
> > cf819b70c90cedc39e305fb57d38f5df37302f84
> >
> > Is the checksum I'm getting.
>
> that's the same checksum i posted. i guess i don't understand
>
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:59 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > Yeah, I realized that after I posted I sent the wrong checksum.
> > e4441484b67be72ad0fd62cc828052f6 9atom.iso.bz2
> >
> > is what I got.
>
> that's the proper md5sum. i posed the sha1sum.
> maybe i didn't make that clear.
>
> - erik
>
>
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:54 AM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> perhaps we should try to boot plan 9 from a linux kernel? Sounds great to
> me...
>
> this probably makes me a troll...
>
I'm pretty sure Ron has done that too... from LinuxBIOS.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:19 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > I'm pretty sure Ron has done that too... from LinuxBIOS.
>
> i'm pretty sure that coreboot neé linuxbios is not linux.
>
Could be, I've never had the luxury of trying it all out... however I
thought a minimal linux from coreboot/linuxbios
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:33 AM, ron minnich wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:24 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
>
> > Could be, I've never had the luxury of trying it all out... however I
> > thought a minimal linux from coreboot/linuxbios (I think it was called
> >
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:46 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > Also, Eric, the 9atom.iso works on my older AMD machine for installation!
> > THANKS! :-)
>
> hey! back to the original story line. that's great, and
> you're welcome. i'd encourage anyone to report on
> your success or failure with 9a
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:37 AM, matt wrote:
>
>
>> To further report the machine seems to be running after installation quite
>> "snappily" though I seem to have messed something up and get a lot of
>> messages about failed venti writes, due to a lack of a connection.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> venti=/dev/sd
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:23 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:46 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>
>> > Also, Eric, the 9atom.iso works on my older AMD machine for
>> installation!
>> > THANKS! :-)
>>
>> hey! back to the o
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:25 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > Now that I've had a chance to really examine the system, I'm noticing a
> > rather high interrupt count (1584), and I'm not exactly sure how to
> figure
> > out what's triggering them.
>
> i set HZ=1000. so that accounts for 1000 of them
Has anyone actually looked at the spec or is this just armchair philosophy?
I've actually looked at these, and used em a little bit. They're not at all
as bad as I once thought they could be, and the reason they're there is to
work with a concurrency framework onto which blocks can be scheduled to
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Iruata Souza wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Eris Discordia
> wrote:
> > Although, you may be better off reading SICP "as intended," and use MIT
> > Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking language)
> is
> > already hard/unusual enou
>
>
> One again, have you tried Cilk for exactly this kind of thing? I'd
> be curious to know your opinion on how what you see in SL compares to
> it.
>
>
Nope, but it sounds interesting.
> > Blocks themselves are really not terribly useful, you need the
> > libdispatch library to make the real v
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:38 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Wed Sep 2 10:33:07 EDT 2009, rminn...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Q: "Will C continue to be important into the future?"
> > (Dave Kirk, Nvidia)A: "No, I think C will die like Fortran has"
>
> isn't this the same company that claims that the cpu
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Robert Raschke wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 5:38 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>
>> On Wed Sep 2 10:33:07 EDT 2009, rminn...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > Q: "Will C continue to be important into the future?"
>> > (Dave Kirk, Nvidia)A: "No, I think C will die like Fortran h
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote:
> Clarifying context: this was at a hpc clusters conference -- their view of
> fortran is not your view of fortran.
>
> Having supported Fortran for MPI implementations before, I know what you
mean :-)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 2
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
> >> http://graphics.cs.williams.edu/archive/SweeneyHPG2009/TimHPG2009.pdf
> >>
> > on p. 43/44 i believe it is claimed that one
> > cannot do CSP without pure functional
> > programming.
>
> (p ⇒ q) ⇏ (¬p ⇒ ¬q)
>
>
That's
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:35 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > > > on p. 43/44 i believe it is claimed that one
> > > > cannot do CSP without pure functional
> > > > programming.
> > >
> > > (p ⇒ q) ⇏ (¬p ⇒ ¬q)
> > >
> > >
> > That's interesting because pure functional programming doesn't exist at
>
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Brian L. Stuart wrote:
> > > Q: "Will C continue to be important into the future?"
> > > (Dave Kirk, Nvidia)A: "No, I think C will die like
> > Fortran has"
> >
> > let me explain the joke. In HPC circles, people have been
> > predicting
> > the death of fortran fo
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Jonathan Cast wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 11:27 -0700, David Leimbach wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> >
> http://graphics.cs.williams
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Jonathan Cast wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 13:02 -0700, David Leimbach wrote:
>
>
> > And if you prefer a plea to authority over logic, I haven't said
> > anything that Simon Peyton Jones hasn't himself said about Haskell.
>
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:16 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> i've pushed an update of my nupas contrib
> package to sources. imap successful in use
> with apple mail (snow leper, too), iphone,
> outlook, opera, ff, upas/fs.
>
> note on installing:
> as devon pointed out, installation is still a
> big
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Uriel wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:46 PM, David Leimbach wrote:
> > I mean HTTP has a small protocol, but if you count all the things you can
> do
> > with REST, then it looks like a lot more.
>
> HTTP might be many things, small is no
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Greg Comeau wrote:
> In article <3096bd910909020751o12086713m4291e2f1b77da...@mail.gmail.com>,
> Rodolfo kix wrote:
> >On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:29 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> >> Q: "Will C continue to be important into the future?"
> >> (Dave Kirk, Nvidia)A: "No, I t
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Uriel wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Devon H. O'Dell
> wrote:
> > 2009/9/2 Uriel :
> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Anant Narayanan wrote:
> >>> Mac OS 10.6 introduced a new C compiler frontend (clang), which added
> >>> support for "blocks" in C [1]
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:02 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > The blocks aren't interesting at all by themselves, I totally agree with
> > that. However what they do to let you write a function inline, that can
> be
> > pushed to another function, to be executed on a concurrent FIFO, is where
> > the
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:58 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > Apple's using it all over the place in Snow Leopard, in all their native
> > apps to write cleaner, less manual-lock code. At least, that's the claim
> > :-).
>
> could someone explain this to me? i'm just missing how
> naming a block of
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:36 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > > > Apple's using it all over the place in Snow Leopard, in all their
> native
> > > > apps to write cleaner, less manual-lock code. At least, that's the
> claim
> > > > :-).
> > >
> > > could someone explain this to me? i'm just missing
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 2:49 PM, David Leimbach wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 2:45 PM, David Leimbach wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 2:35 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu Sep 3 17:09:01 EDT 2009, r...@sun.com wrote:
>>&
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 2:35 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Thu Sep 3 17:09:01 EDT 2009, r...@sun.com wrote:
> > Anything can be done using regular C and threads. The trick here
> > is to make everything *scalable* and *painless* enough so that
> > mere mortals can start benefiting from parallelis
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 2:45 PM, David Leimbach wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 2:35 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>
>> On Thu Sep 3 17:09:01 EDT 2009, r...@sun.com wrote:
>> > Anything can be done using regular C and threads. The trick here
>> > is to make
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