Re: [9fans] GSoC 2021 project ideas

Anyone know if this project went anywhere? https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~412/lectures/L05_Purge_Proposal.pdf A Hellaphone revisit. On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:48 PM sirjofri wrote: > Hello, > > many many really cool ideas. Most of them get a big heart icon, but I > don't want to repeat your ideas. So

[9fans] FOIA request?

This is interesting: *"Pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act, I hereby request the following records:* *Records, emails, memos and reports relating to or mentioning the operating system Plan 9 from Bell Labs"*

Re: [9fans] smtpd in modern times.

I'm not running one (at the moment), but I think there's an stunnel port for Plan 9, and that could be an easy way to duct tape TLS support onto your existing setup. -Jack On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM Steve Simon wrote: > I have been running my a smtp server on plan9 for

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

Is a PS/PDF library something that might benefit from reconstruction in Go? Or is it just a spaghetti mess?

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:38 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.comwrote: Yes... But this is also why, concurrently, work has to be done to get rid of some unnecessities: that documents produced on Plan9 be viewable on Plan9 with only Plan9 means (external documents are another

Re: [9fans] Fwd:

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Kurt H Maier kh...@intma.in wrote: This is an outrage. I was promised html parsing and in-line images with cat. Best mailing list message ever. :) -J

Re: [9fans] 9atom

On Jan 4, 2013 10:07 AM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: It contains the full file system from the Plan 9 CD image, unmodified, except a single line change in the kernel binary. I can't contain my curiosity: what's the line? I once worked with a colleague who had a superstition

Re: [9fans] iwp9

Traditional names always have the edge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwigillingok,_Alaska I think the Yup'ik are half-Welsh. ;) -Jack On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Kurt H Maier kh...@intma.in wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:26:32AM -0800, Brian L. Stuart wrote: Yeah, we probably do

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

Even with it's faults (age?), I still miss Oberon. It was *fun* and elegant. -Jack

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

Quick tangent, is there anyone out there whose favorite environment is non-native? Maybe 9vx or plan9ports on specific hardware? Your secret sam port to Windows 8's Metro UI? For all I know, plan9ports full screen on a MacBook Air is Glenda's Elysian field. Maybe something dual-screen with Chrome

Re: [9fans] octopus paper

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote: Given the lag in publication, this system is no longer under development (though we are still using it), but here's a paper about the Octopus. Hey Francisco, First, I really like the ideas in Octopus. I think it was

Re: [9fans] Some things never change

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:43 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: pfft.  we've always had find.  we've just called it du. It's funny, since I learned how to do that via 9fans, I still do it that way on Linux. -Jack

Re: [9fans] NIX 64-bit kernel is available

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:42 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: We have discussed this. Nixie was a proposed new name, but for now we'd rather get the actual code and distribution right than worry about the name. If you need yet another proposal that would Google with minimal collisions,

Re: [9fans] novel userspace paradigms introduced by plan 9

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 8:29 AM, dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.com wrote: disclaimer: i'm not a plan 9 person for any viable value of `p9 person' I'm in the same boat, but I aspire to be in the other boat. :) -Jack

Re: [9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users not believe it

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 8:48 AM, William Cowan wmco...@uwaterloo.ca wrote: Sample tasks at random you say. What is the correct universe to sample if we wish to substantiate the sort of categorical assertions made on this thread? Also, familiar vs unfamiliar tasks using familiar vs unfamiliar

Re: [9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users not believe it

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:42 AM, errno er...@cox.net wrote: On Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:20:27 AM Jack Johnson wrote: which is why I find it hard to get hot headed over any of the assertions, but tend toward trusting the research. What research? The rabbit hole is pretty deep, but you could

Re: [9fans] Go/Inferno toolchain (Was: comment and newline in

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote: FTS, I'm interesting in getting Go here because I'm going to write the i.e. window system (successor of o/live, o/mero, ...) also in go, to run at least the viewer native on unix systems. The C version is still

Re: [9fans] license situation and OSI

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.net wrote: You don't get to change the license ``3. REQUIREMENTS A. Distributor may choose to distribute the Program in any form under this Agreement or under its own license agreement, provided that:        ...  c. if

Re: [9fans] license situation and OSI

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Nick LaForge nicklafo...@gmail.com wrote: Kinda puts MS and EFF in the same camp. You mean FSF? Whoops, yes, FSF. -Jack

Re: [9fans] license situation and OSI

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Corey co...@bitworthy.net wrote: No doubt - MS and FSF are clearly in the same camp. Allies even! Heck, one might even go so far as to venture the notion that they're practically bedfellows. I'm just noting that usually licensing is looked at as a continuum of

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Federico G. Benavento benave...@gmail.com wrote: p2c (pascal 2 c) Anyone ever peek at one of the Oberon to C compliers? Or maybe the Oxford stuff? http://spivey.oriel.ox.ac.uk/corner/Oxford_Oberon-2_compiler -Jack

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:41 PM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: Polluting Plan 9 with fashionable toys isn't going to save the world, isn't even going to be useful to the existing Plan 9 community, so why do you believe it should happen, rather than allow Plan 9 as it exists, both as a

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com wrote: Object-Orientation reduces static provability. True (or true enough)? Not to engender a flame war, but my gut says there must be some Eiffel, Smalltalk, and LISP folk out there who are big on provability, but I can

Re: [9fans] tinycore 9vx .tce on sources

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 2:52 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: --rw-r--r-- M 26 rminnich sys8805 Apr 3 17:41 /n/sources/contrib/rminnich/9vx.tce Wild. I've been screwing around with a tinycore terminal server in a couple of VMs and I was planning on building a TCE for 9vx after

Re: [9fans] Plan ? (was: native install)

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com wrote: Read up on why Plan 9 was written. We've been succeeding for 20 years so far. I think this is an interesting comment in light of the evolution thread. Most people (incorrectly) equate evolution with progress. Whether or

Re: [9fans] Plan ? (was: native install)

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Jack Johnson knapj...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com wrote: around with relatively few upgrades for the past 420 billion years or s/billion/million/ -Jack

Re: [9fans] quote o' the day

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:54 AM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: try as you might, the irony is unescapable (see the attached helpful suggestion by google). It sounds like a competition. Write a program that, when translated by Google into Czech, still produces valid output.

Re: [9fans] more little hardware

Thanks to Google's targeted ads: http://www.eglobalwireless.com/p-4333-new-7-mini-netbook-laptop-notebook-wifi-windows-2gb-hd.aspx Also might make a good Inferno device if WinCE isn't too firmly ensconced. -Jack

Re: [9fans] more little hardware

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Stuart Morrow morrow.stu...@googlemail.com wrote: However, there is one smart feature that for me would be useful enough that carrying a big chunky thing that lives for a quarter of a day on battery might actually be worth it, and the feature is so damn trivial

Re: [9fans] more little hardware

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:54 AM, blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/qi-hardwares-tiny-hackable-ben-nanonote-now-shipping/ Okay, Maht.  You just cost me $125 :)  I just couldn't resist. I was wondering how you'd network one of those things:

Re: [9fans] more little hardware

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Jack Johnson knapj...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:54 AM,  blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/qi-hardwares-tiny-hackable-ben-nanonote-now-shipping/ Okay, Maht.  You just cost me $125 :)  I just couldn't resist. I

Re: [9fans] more little hardware

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Jack Johnson knapj...@gmail.com wrote: Off-topic-ish, that 320x240 screen is probably the biggest challenge, trying to find some usable UI in that space. I think the idea of a native Inferno port is great. Sorry, last of the blather. It also seems ideal

Re: [9fans] evoluent mouse review

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: i just did. acme isn't seeing any mouse clicks from a macbook's trackpad. i'll take a look and report in more detail in a bit. I'll have to give that a try. It seems acme + trackpad isn't always fun, but my brain

Re: [9fans] Woes of New Language Support

If I'm reading you right, you're saying it might be easier if everything were encoded as combining (or maybe more aptly non-combining) codes, regardless of language? So, we might encode 'Waffles' as w+upper a f f l e s and let the renderer (if there is one) handle the presentation of the case

Re: [9fans] dcp - a deep copy script, better than dircp

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:41 PM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: on coraid's worm, a find on main takes not too long: minooka; cd /n/ila minooka; time rc -c 'find . | wc'  356164  356164 13987863 1.24u 1.38s 6.65r        rc -c find . | wc The FAQ also mentions: du -a . | grep

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Lorenzo Bollalbo...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone using it for such things? Some of us either do different things day-to-day or have found workarounds or alternatives to the way people usually enjoy the Internet and their attached computers. Without (or until) a

Re: [9fans] plan 9 interface color ergonomy

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Jason Catenajason.cat...@gmail.com wrote: Rob explains the fonts and colors (inspired by Tufte, no less) a bit in this reposted message, and mentions Renee French. I wonder if Renee would be interested to know this particular color palette is an ongoing point

Re: [9fans] Google finally announces their lightweight OS

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:34 PM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: the problem i have with literate programming is that it tends to treat code like a terse and difficult-to-understand footnote. And thus, we have literate programming meets APL. ;) -Jack

Re: [9fans] Rails? (was Re: web server)

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Pietro Gagliardi pietr...@mac.com wrote: Is Rails even necessary? If all you have is an object, everything looks like a method. ;) -J

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Uriel urie...@gmail.com wrote: How many people can actually claim that they will for certain use such iphone drawterm? Because the idea of using rio or acme from a touchscreen doesn't seem very practical to me (to put it very mildly). Is there a similar project

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:49 PM, j...@csplan9.rit.edu wrote: I found this a couple months ago and showed it to Ron, tried to get a quote or some info on buying them but nobody even replied to my email. Can you even get them in China?  Are they even being produced? There's some reseller in the

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Jack Johnson knapj...@gmail.com wrote: There's some reseller in the U.K., I think.  Let me see if I can dig it up. Whoops, wrong country: http://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61504599/Categories/%22Lemote%20product%22 -Jack

Re: [9fans] (off-topic) Renée French

On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Eris Discordia eris.discor...@gmail.com wrote: How come the Renée French who appears in Jim Jarmusch's Coffee and Cigarettes has nothing to with the Renée French who drew Glenda? Interesting movie. Parts of it I dearly love, other parts not so much. A lot

Re: [9fans] Gmail and upas

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Rudolf Sykora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: seems you use IMAP to read gmail. I usually read my gmail mail through my web browser, which is not a problem from opera/firefox in linux. However, I can't do the same from plan9. Neither abaco, nor charon work. Is this so

Re: [9fans] Gmail and upas

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Jack Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and then it follows up with: GO TO https://www.google.com/accounts/'http:/mail.google.com/mail/h/19sso9tatmt7r/?ui=htmlzy=l' which doesn't seem to match the continue parameter from the last request. I just disabled

Re: [9fans] plan9 now officially not the OS with the ugliest GUI anymore

I always thought 8 1/2, rio, acme and friends were more, uh, Amish UIs than ugly UIs, but to each his or her own. -J

[9fans] Amazon EC2?

Has anyone tried injecting a Plan 9 instance into the new Amazon cloud? http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ -Jack

Re: [9fans] Time travel

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make that Get off of my Wifi! Those crazy kids with their Hulu loops. -J

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Blue Gene

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 7:10 AM, ron minnich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the HPC world, there is lots of conservatism. There is an editor at LANL, named Fred, written in Fortran, that has been in use for longer than most of you have been alive. Until very recently, it was a required part of