Thanks for the info. FYI, just this morning I released gawk 5.3.1;
it should be on ftp.gnu.org by now. If not, it will be soon.
Thanks!
Arnold
Jens Staal wrote:
> Yes in fact in the 0.1 release, I am using gawk 4.0.0 (an old port) as
> default awk.
>
> Current "main" br
Although Plan 9 has some version of BWK's awk on it, I'd be
curious if you can get gawk running in your extended APE.
Thanks,
Arnold
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r heard of it. It might
> have helped.
It's ~ 10 years old. Is it still relevant? Or do you plan to
update it?
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Arnold
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> On 20 Jun 2024, at 22:53, Roderick wrote:
>
> Dear Sirs!
>
> I hope, I can also ask here about Plan9 port ...
>
> I just compiled master from on FreeBSD14.0:
> https://9fans.github.io/plan9port/
>
> Is th
"B. Atticus Grobe" wrote:
> As for companies that use 9, Coraid (Brantley Coile) was invested in 9 for
> their network storage systems, although it's possible their newer products
> don't utilize it.
They still do. See h
Taj Khattra wrote:
> > > You might find help in culang.org
> >
> > DNS can't seem to find that for me
>
> https://cuelang.org/
Much thanks!
Arnold
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Charles Forsyth wrote:
> > And, if I hear about it being
> > “declarative” as a virtue, I point to the 81,000+ lines (and
> > growing) of YAML, that I defy any one human to comprehend.
>
>
> You might find help in culang.org
DNS can't seem to find t
> The vetting process needs some work, lads.
More heresy than trolling, perhaps?
It was thought-provoking for me. I wished I was there for the bar session
afterwards.
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> On 26 Jan 2024, at 07:38, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
<…>
> If you have specific ways we can support people like you
> taking up the torch and carrying plan 9 development forward,
> please speak up and let us know; I'll ensure that it gets
> discussed at the next P9F meeting.
Is there any recor
Conor Williams wrote:
> well Arnold?, 1. is the LINE pre processor directive supported by p9
> and also i2s _*that*_ function declared properly (&+3 is that definitely
> the source that compiled
> properly on SM. Windows et. Al?)
I completely don't understand this.
No nee
Jacob Moody wrote:
> On 6/28/23 10:09, arn...@skeeve.com wrote:
> > I'd love to know if gawk can be made to work on Plan 9.
> > Latest release is at https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gawk/
> >
> > Or you can clone the git repo.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
>
I'd love to know if gawk can be made to work on Plan 9.
Latest release is at https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gawk/
Or you can clone the git repo.
Thanks,
Arnold
Conor Williams wrote:
> hello there 9fans.ers
>
> anyone need any UniX programs transferred (port.ed) to Plan9
>
>
Thanks, I will check it out.
Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
> > Is there a version of kencc somewhere that can be easily built
> > and installed on Linux and used as a plain C compiler?
> >
> > I'd prefer for x86_64 but I'll take one that only compiles 32 bit.
>
> https://github.com
Hi All.
A little off topic, apologies.
Is there a version of kencc somewhere that can be easily built
and installed on Linux and used as a plain C compiler?
I'd prefer for x86_64 but I'll take one that only compiles 32 bit.
Thanks,
Arnold
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7;t complain because any pointer type can be passed
to a void* parameter. Otherwise you'd need to cast:
memmove((uchar*) s, (uchar*) & s[1], 4 * sizeof(struct foo));
void* has been standard practice (even on Plan 9) for 30+ years.
It's not worth changing it now. :-)
HTH,
d and stripped, then yes, you're out of luck.
Try it. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. It won't be the first time. :-)
Arnold
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Um, nm(1) on the binary to see what it calls?
Just a thought... :-)
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ves (see
tuhs.org). I suspect that the Heirloom Troff versions could also
be made to work.
HTH,
Arnold
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Nobody is disgruntled (that we know about). The code under discussion
in Richard Miller's contributed bcm kernel.
Arnold
Jeremy Jackins wrote:
> Seems to me that there is always going to be some non-zero risk of lawsuits
> when making a change like this, but clearly the fou
the MIT license. There should not be a need to involve Nokia
any further.
My two cents.
And apologies - I don't mean to start a long discussion about
licensing. I'd rather let P9F worry about it (and throw a few $$ at them
to help). I suggest we all do the same. :-)
Arnold
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Russ Cox wrote:
> Standard C has moved on, and the Plan 9 C compilers have not kept up.
> They're still fine for Plan 9 C code, but given the choice
> I wouldn't throw anything else at them.
That's pretty definitive. Thanks.
Arnold
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OK - wasn't kenc ported to Linux for bootstrapping the early
Go compilers? Is that version general, or not worth my trying to use?
Thanks,
Arnold
Charles Forsyth wrote:
> >
> > I doubt very much that using the Plan 9 C compilers will bring much
> > additional benefit f
ld(1). I'd think that getting
the ABI and generation of ELF (or of standard Linux assembly language)
correct would be the hard part.
What am I missing?
Thanks,
Arnold
Russ Cox wrote:
> Hi Arnold,
>
> The hard part is not so much the compiling but the linking against
> system li
pilers. I have often wanted to add kenc into the mix, but haven't
found a usable, standalone version thereof.)
Thanks,
Arnold
ron minnich wrote:
> Nxm built kencen toolchain on Linux.
>
> https://github.com/rminnich/NxM
>
> We could build all of plan9 on Linux. You might be
ink the Pascal compiler used the PCC back end, but I no longer
remember for sure. If so, you might could hook it up to the revived PCC
project.
Although it sounds like a fun project, there are probably better
uses for your time. :-)
Arnold
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ax. You'd have to port it to current architectures, and
compiling TeX would probably make TeX run more slowly than the C version.
The Berkeley Pascals were some of the compilers used for "Software Tools
in Pascal".
Arnold
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> specifically interested in. Maybe it's tucked away in the
> bitsaver archives ...
Have you checked the TUHS archives? V7 source is there, it should
be all of it...
Arnold
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> https://orib.dev/tmp/schem.tgz
Thanks Ori and Aksr who answered. I've pulled down a copy.
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Hi All.
Is there a current URL from which I can snarf this program?
Thanks,
Arnold
> From: fernanbola...@mailc.net (Fernan Bolando)
> Subject: [9fans] slightly on topic: pic preprocessor for drawing electronic
> circuits
> Message-ID:
> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:01:37
without ps/2 kb/mouse attached.
>
> Some motherboards (I don't know about Dell) have a special setting
> to enable different mouse protocols at boot time. Look for
> something like "usb legacy support".
I have also seen this affect USB keyboards (on Linux). Enabling it hel
> On 12 Dec 2019, at 17:32, Lucio De Re wrote:
>
> I'd like suggestions for some hardware on which to run Plan 9, almost
> certainly expandable SSD capacity will be a must (Venti service).
> Price and quality will be the biggest factors, as always.
>
> Ideally, storage is where the value will r
> On 12 Dec 2019, at 17:31, Lucio De Re wrote:
>
> I'd like suggestions for some hardware on which to run Plan 9, almost
> certainly expandable SSD capacity will be a must (Venti service).
> Price and quality will be the biggest factors, as always.
>
> Ideally, storage is where the value will re
o the group.
I reported something directly to Russ a few days ago, but didn't
hear back...
Thanks,
Arnold
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Modern HP printers are very easy to handle. They sit on the
network and Linux can find them automatically. HP provides
excellent LInux support for their printers.
CUPS isn't fun but it's not rocket science; once you get it going
it's generally set and forget.
My 2 cents,
Hi.
Is this happening for anyone else?
Relatively recently, it's happened that I see the replies before the
originals, with delays in between of *days*.
This has happened in the past with 9fans, but not recently, and now
it's started again...
Thanks,
Arnold
It seems like it runs another Wayland compositor (Cage) in its windows, so the
ability to nest compositors is there but I saw no mention of nesting itself.
No fs yet either although it’s mentioned as a todo.
d
> On 2 May 2019, at 14:36, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
>
> Can Wio run inside Wio?
> https://github.com/benavento/rc
>
> Have fun.
> ???-
> Federico G. Benavento
> benave...@gmail.com
On Ubuntu 18.04, doing make, I get errors on several files. See attached.
Thanks,
Arnold
ERRS
Description: Binary data
s are always reconstructed forward,
> starting from the complete original file.
OK, then it makes sense then.
Much thanks!
Arnold
d it from the "old" one, and said script
says "delete lines N through M", how does one recover the lines
that were deleted? (With context or unified diffs, the deleted text
is there.)
Thanks,
Arnold
> possible to regenerate the original files with a bit of scripting.
>
> --
> David du Colombier
How does that work if lines were deleted?
Thanks,
Arnold
o bring up and install to use an
an additional compiler for testing a Free Software project.
Thanks,
Arnold
> On 9 Oct 2018, at 14:08, Digby R.S. Tarvin wrote:
<…>
> So I don't think it i would be worth a substantial rewrite to get it going.
> It is a shame that there don't seem to have been any more powerful machines
> with a comparably elegant architecture and attractive front panel :)
>
> An att
Thanks for the info.
I may pull the iso to take a look.
In any case, for those using BWK's awk, it's worth pulling in the
latest set of changes, they're not huge.
Thanks,
Arnold
hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> spew is a 9front user who wanted to improve awk.
>
Hi.
A few years ago Erik synced the Plan 9 awk with Brian Kernighan's.
I have recently gotten BWK to fix some long-standing bugs. His code
is updated and available at https://github.com/onetrueawk/awk.
If "someone" wants to pull in his changes, now's a good time to
do so. :-)
Thanks,
Arnold
an re-create it easily enough, but not for a
> week or two due to insanity at $WORK.
>
> --lyndon
Hi. There is certainly no hurry. I would greatly appreciate it if
you can find your notes or reproduce them; I suspect that I'm not the
only one.
MUCH thanks!
Arnold
Plan 9 and set it up as a standalone system. Etc.
Thanks!
Arnold
https://newsroom.intel.com/news/intel-unveils-intel-compute-card-credit-card-sized-compute-platform/
On 17 Nov 2016, at 12:18, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 07:55:38PM -0500, Charlie Lin wrote:
>> Also does anyone want to host the source tree in a repository?
>
> This sounds like a lot of work. Who would undertake this??
GitHub, GitLab, or BitBucket all provide gratis repository
FYI folks.
http://betanews.com/2016/09/22/solidrun-x86-braswell-microsom-linux-windows-10-raspberry-pi/
Arnold
Steve was borrowing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALGOL :
C. A. R. Hoare remarked: "Here is a language so far ahead of its
time that it was not only an improvement on its predecessors but
also on nearly all its successors."
(This one is also mostly true. :
ch poorer. On Linux
you can't use it for debugging either - it doesn't generate the
debug info you need. :-( For that, GCC and clang are the way to go.
I agree with the general sentiments - GLIBC and GCC are both bloated.
But for the day-to-day work that *I* do, they're livable.
My two cents,
Arnold
Jeff Sickel wrote:
> And then if you want all the fancy tools & wrappers groups seem to like
> these days:
Git is best used from the command line. All the tools just get
in the way.
The libgit work is probably the way to go for Plan 9.
Arnold
Is there a C level equivalent of the BSD fts(3) suite of routines?
Or even the System V ftw / GLIBC nftw suite?
I suspect that having this would save some wheel-reinvention in
these kinds of programs.
Thanks,
Arnold
erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Wed Sep 30 01:12:36 PDT 2015, charles.f
always 20/20".
That's all I'll say on the topic.
Arnold
tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 09:24:57AM -0600, arn...@skeeve.com wrote:
> > So, the history is more than this.
> >
> > Larry Wall's Configure (capital C) for rn and Perl was
tart over today, one could likely arrive at a simpler
system, but portability problems remain, and they are real.
Arnold
erik quanstrom wrote:
> confirmed. it's existence is due to early gnu programs fighting with
> small variations in unix and compilers. byron's rc used a small s
Raspberry pi isn't what I want.
I want to be able to compile / do serious development and being able
to run Linux would also help. I'm not comfortable moving outside of
Intel architecture and I want the horsepower I can get out of a Haswell
or Broadwell.
Thanks,
Arnold
Shingo Onob
st, small form factor boxes to run
Plan 9 would be welcome, preferably with links (:-).
Thanks,
Arnold
to Plan 9 easier, if they're reasonable.
HTH,
Arnold
Hugo Rivera wrote:
> Let me understand. Are you going to modify the current gawk version
> according to your needs (perhaps removing some of the bloat you
> mention)? or are you going to port gawk as it is?
>
> 2015-07-08
spect, some of these
are just bloat and I'd have been better off without them.
Arnold
examples.
I hope this helps. Please feel to contact me off-list if you need
more info / help.
Thanks!
Arnold
sion of BWK's
awk, for their POSIX awk. Quite some time ago I ported it to Linux; it
took an hour or so. It'd take more work to make it generally portable, which
I never bothered to do.
Arnold
ny fixes to BWK's code since then. If you're going to
start over, it should be done from his current code, available from
his Princeton home page.
Arnold
does one get the source? Is it
intended to run on *nix also? It'd be nice to have since it's always
fun to compare multiple implementations when trying to figure out a
corner case. Besides BWK's awk, there is mawk, BusyBox awk, and the
MKS awk as found in the various OpenSolaris derivatives.
Thanks,
Arnold
r most people to just
use Linux as a bridge.
Thanks,
Arnold
ve.
That's all I really have to say about it. I'll go crawl back under
my rock now.
Arnold
py to continue a discussion with you offline, if you wish.
Thanks,
Arnold
quirrelled
off into the 9fans mailbox by accident.
Thanks!
Arnold
Hi.
Where's the right place to find kenc for Linux?
Thanks,
Arnold
>From the "Be Still My Beating Heart" department:
http://dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/raspberrypi2support
; I looked at the git and the last check-in
was over 5 years ago. It's aim is to run Plan 9 binaries, which means
putting P9 system calls into the Linux kernel.
p9p is a port of the P9 utilities to *nix; userland only.
HTH,
Arnold
"Steve Simon" wrote:
> > I'd be happy to know the results of attempting a gawk port via APE. :-)
>
> Not sure Al, Peter, or Brian would forgive me :-)
> Though if memory serves it has been done already.
>
> -Steve
Brian is a good friend of mine. He (at least) wouldn't mind. :-)
Arnold
sion is 4.1.1.
Although this one would do for Steve who wanted time functions.
Thanks,
Arnold
omting I could not in the plan9 distribution?
>
> -Steve
I'd be happy to know the results of attempting a gawk port via APE. :-)
Thanks,
Arnold
Hi. This looks wonderful. Is it available in a PDF or more
paper oriented format, for us old fogeys?
Thanks,
Arnold
"David L. Craig" wrote:
> This is the publication I wished I had had several
> months ago, so I decided to write it. With hundreds
> of screen shots and a
al formatter was nroff for
printers and teletypes. Troff came along later, at which point .ul
was already in use in people's documents and/or macro packages.
HTH,
Arnold
chett:
"We're on a mission from Glod." :-)
Arnold
Charles Forsyth wrote:
> On 6 May 2014 09:38, wrote:
>
> > I think that "unaccountably" is a bit harsh.
>
>
> I was talking about kernels and kernel mechanisms.
Fair enough then.
Thanks,
Arnold
ox on
Linux, Solaris, *BSD. There is a lot of value to that, when what you
care about is getting your work done (KTBR - Keep The Business Running).
I well understand that this community is less concerned about that,
but this community should also be open minded enough to understand
those kinds of concerns.
Arnold
Hi.
What is the status of the 9atom ISO images?
I have a laptop that I think is too old to boot from USB that perhaps
I can put Plan 9 on...
Thanks,
Arnold
Pardon my not replying individually - thanks all of you for
the answers! I'm looking forward to climbing this learning curve. :-)
Arnold
And of course, I forgot another question:
4. How to do the moral equivalent of shutdown -h now?
Thanks,
Arnold
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arn...@skeeve.com wrote:
> Hello All.
>
> I've been a lurker on 9fans for many years. Today I finally did an
> install - +9atom.iso.bz2 into
easy on the Plan 9 newbie who has to unlearn 30+ years
of Unix habits.
Thanks!
Arnold
> pxe doesn't know how to decompress.
So, what? It's, like, stressed out *all* the time?
(Sorry, couldn't resist. :-)
Arnold
http://newftp.9atom.org/other/+usbinstamd64.bz2 resolves (www vs. newftp).
d
On 24/12/2013, at 9:44 AM, Blake McBride wrote:
> I am having trouble with that link. Is it correct?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Blake
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:11 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Thu Dec 19 20:54:04
On 24/10/2013, at 5:57 PM, Keith wrote:
> Who here remembers/knows of the vision for the apple newton? The iPad
> realized it when the technology was able and the time was right. Who is to
> say the same couldn't be said for 9?
I suspect that Plan9ers will be as disappointed as Newtonians at th
> ! ~ $st ?* ^ '|' ^ *
Sheesh. I'm a long time Unix type and even to *me* that looks like
line noise. :-)
Arnold
It came into C89 from C++, along with all the function prototype stuff,
just as Joel said.
I no longer have all the paper drafts from the initial ANSI C effort
but I remember this quite well.
Arnold
fge...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks for the guess!
> Since I could not directly fin
)
gawk 'BEGIN { printf("\0") }'
"No arbitrary limits" in action. :-)
Arnold
So, in the same spirit as the earlier mail... Are there any Plan 9
users in Israel? I live near Modi'in and work in Jerusalem, so those
are the most convenient areas for me but other travel in order to meet
is not unreasonable.
Much thanks,
Arnold (Aharon) Robbins
onnection refused
> > sorts of errors from http://lsub.org.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Arnold
>
I got the paper. Much thanks!
Arnold
Hi. I tried to get the 9pix paper but am getting connection refused
sorts of errors from http://lsub.org.
Thanks,
Arnold
Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
> And the consequences of not freeing a few bytes of memory, in a command
> which will exit a few microseconds later, would be ... ?
The Code Correctness Police come and collect you and force you to
program on Windows...
:-)
Arnold
on and test suites.
Is there even a yacc equivalent from Go? That might be a reasonable
project - add Go support to Berkely Yacc, Plan 9 Yacc, or Bison. Or larger
in scale, to implement Yacc itself in Go.
Arnold
o matter how obsessive a coder you are,
> you can get even less sleep and not code a wink.
>
> - erik
And be in an even more elevated state of happiness.
Arnold
ch is
availble on github:
git clone git://github.com/onetrueawk/awk
And also talk to Erik who did some work on bringing the Plan 9 awk into
sync with BWK's a little while back.
HTH,
Arnold
P.S. The git repo includes his test suite in the file awktest.a; it should
probably be unarc
ve to be:
Small Is Beautiful
Arnold
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAQ3g-iW-Ow
On 13/01/2013, at 2:21 PM, John Floren wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
Blue Gene
>>>
>>> hard to fit in the basement.
>>
>> How about an ipengine (mpc823)? I've got one gathering dust here.
>
> I caution against working on any hardware
ccounts to keep the IEEE lawyers happy.
If you're happy with HTML:
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/
(Google for "POSIX 2008 base definitions").
HTH,
Arnold
n't
be too much different (we hope! :-).
HTH,
Arnold
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