Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-24 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
the url works fine for me. On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:26 PM, David Leimbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > getting the 404 on that link. > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Brian L. Stuart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> The changes I mentioned earlier that allow 9vx to use >> a local disk parti

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-24 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Geoff has pointed out to me that I made a mistake in typing the URL in my last message. It should be: http://umdrive.memphis.edu/blstuart/htdocs/9vx/local9vx.html I left the htdocs out of it the first time. Sorry for any confusion. BLS

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-24 Thread David Leimbach
getting the 404 on that link. On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Brian L. Stuart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The changes I mentioned earlier that allow 9vx to use > a local disk partition as root are ready for advised* > public consumption. > > I've put everything up on the page: > > http://umdri

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-24 Thread Brian L. Stuart
The changes I mentioned earlier that allow 9vx to use a local disk partition as root are ready for advised* public consumption. I've put everything up on the page: http://umdrive.memphis.edu/blstuart/9vx/local9vx.html Russ, if you want to consider these for inclusion in the main tree, you can pu

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-23 Thread Brian L. Stuart
> If this happens again, then running "thread apply all where 20" > in gdb should help determine what's going on. I'll give that a try. > I would be inclined to do away with full plan9.ini > parsing and just read a file containing > > name=value > > lines that get stuffed immediately int

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-23 Thread Russ Cox
> I'm doing all of this on Linux. Since then, I have seen > it lock up when running from a fossil/venti root and #Z > not bound. I can't support it with statistics, but my gut > reaction is that it's less often though. If this happens again, then running "thread apply all where 20" in gdb should

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-23 Thread Brian L. Stuart
> >> > - boot/boot did bad things if the localroot > >> > wasn't set, so when using boot/boot it's now . > > I think this is fixed in hg now. I found one place where > localroot was going to be used even though > it shouldn't. Yes, that seems to work correctly now. > > I'm beginning to think th

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-20 Thread Russ Cox
>> > - boot/boot did bad things if the localroot >> > wasn't set, so when using boot/boot it's now . I think this is fixed in hg now. I found one place where localroot was going to be used even though it shouldn't. > I'm beginning to think the lock-ups some of us have > seen are somewhere in dev

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread Russ Cox
>> Well, I use vx32 as a terminal for both lguest and remote machines. No >> real need for venfi/fossil. For edit, I import; to build etc. I cpu in >> an acme window so i get the error stuff. > > what's the advantage over drawterm in this configuration? In the case you quote, you'd have many of t

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 6:31 PM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what's the advantage over drawterm in this configuration? > latency. The interactive program (e.g. acme) is on my machine, not on a remote machine. Rio is local. And so on. ron

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread erik quanstrom
>> but what i'd really like is a drawterm replacement with its own >> local devices. without local devices, there isn't much of an >> advantage over drawterm — unless your cpu server many >> ms away. graphics over the internet can be a bummer. >> > > Well, I use vx32 as a terminal for both lgues

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread Brian L. Stuart
> > - boot/boot did bad things if the localroot > > wasn't set, so when using boot/boot it's now . > > What bad things did it do? The code is supposed > to cope gracefully with localroot == nil. I'd rather > fix the code that couldn't cope. Ah, that means I need to remember. As you get older,

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I have used octopus to access my plan 9 system over links with 150ms of RTT I admit "graphics" are mostly faces and simple vector graphics. Considering that for file viewers you copy the files to a viewer device in the terminal, it all behaves reasonably. The drawback is that you get very nervous

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread Sape Mullender
> why can't venti and fossil on the same machine be connected by a pipe? That would be far too logical. Sape

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread Charles Forsyth
why can't venti and fossil on the same machine be connected by a pipe?

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread Charles Forsyth
why can't venti and fossil on the same machine be connected by a pipe?

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread Russ Cox
> A little while back Russ suggested that someone might > want to look into making 9vx boot using a native > fossil/venti file system partition for root. For > anyone who's interested, as of this morning, that > is working. It's a little kludgy in places, but > mostly it's not too bad. When I've

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread Russ Cox
> i just wonder if all the coding around the fact > that the 9vx network is different is going to pay off. You've spent more time talking about this than it would have taken to just implement the extra pieces you want or need, like /net/ipifc and /net/ether. The low-level OS grunge work is already

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread Russ Cox
> but what i'd really like is a drawterm replacement with its own > local devices. without local devices, there isn't much of an > advantage over drawterm — unless your cpu server many > ms away. graphics over the internet can be a bummer. Like I said before, please add the local devices you wan

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:20 PM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > but what i'd really like is a drawterm replacement with its own > local devices. without local devices, there isn't much of an > advantage over drawterm — unless your cpu server many > ms away. graphics over the interne

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread erik quanstrom
>> my inclination would be to give 9vx a proper >> ethernet device, but that idea has been discussed >> already. > > I was about to ask this very question (and say THANK YOU > to Russ for another awesome piece of software), but now > that you've mentioned it could you, please, elaborate > on why i

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 15:00 -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: > my inclination would be to give 9vx a proper > ethernet device, but that idea has been discussed > already. I was about to ask this very question (and say THANK YOU to Russ for another awesome piece of software), but now that you've mentio

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread erik quanstrom
> - The messiest bit, though, is venti and networking. > boot/boot figures it needs to set up the loopback > interface for venti. But /net/ipifc doesn't exit > and boot/boot considers this fatal. I suppose > the Right Way(tm) to is to implement /net/ipifc > and have it translate operations to the

[9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread Brian L. Stuart
A little while back Russ suggested that someone might want to look into making 9vx boot using a native fossil/venti file system partition for root. For anyone who's interested, as of this morning, that is working. It's a little kludgy in places, but mostly it's not too bad. When I've cleaned it