On 07/27/2015 11:42 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
you are aware of the 9fans' fetish for movies
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0042546/
My mother used to say to me, Elwood - she always called me
Elwood - In this world, Elwood, you must be oh-so smart, or
oh-so pleasant.
I do realize that, of course. It's merely a rather unfortunate
association I can't shake off.
On 27.07.15 22:49, Daryl M wrote:
I may be showing my age, but Harvey was a 6' tall invisible rabbit.
Harvey, 1950, starring James Stewart, Josephine Hull, Peggy Dow
Due to his insistence that he has
On 27 July 2015 at 13:08, Aram Hăvărneanu ara...@mgk.ro wrote:
'd expect GCC compiling Plan 9 at a speed reasonably comparable to kencc.
I used gcc for one of my own OS projects years ago, without all the
#include crud.
It is slow. For one thing, it still(!) produces textual assembly code
GCC is not a very slow C compiler in term of compiled LOC/s (although
the difference in speed between -O0 and -O3 is embarrassing). What
makes compiling Unix software so slow, is the way source code is
organised, headers which include headers, cpp having to generate lots
of code, and all the other
On 27 July 2015 at 14:44, Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote:
It is slow.
But it doesn't matter anyway if your aim is to compile a ton of stuff that
only gcc can compile.
erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
when i need to run Linux programs, i run linux.
Yeah, but then you’ve got linux. Now you’ve got two
problems (hah! if only…).
what is the benefit of running firefox on a p9 like system,
rather than on linux?
The theory, anyway, is that you could
On July 27, 2015 9:19:47 AM CDT, Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net wrote:
erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
when i need to run Linux programs, i run linux.
Yeah, but then you’ve got linux. Now you’ve got two
problems (hah! if only…).
what is the benefit of running firefox on a p9
I always thought is was that emulating an open-source application platform is
easier than emulating a black box like Wine does, as you can see how things
are done and the internal APIs and stuff.
You're right on that score, but emulating continually-changing bloat
isn't really any easier, in
open source software is often a moving target.
Amen.
pro tip: only use stable interfaces.
Like what? W3C, or USB or CPU instruction sets?
Lucio.
On 27 July 2015 at 15:19, Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net wrote:
(for many, it’s pretty
much just a browser)
One of the reasons mere POSIX isn't enough is that there are many non-POSIX
tendrils that have worked their way throughout the system,
notably d-bus and now systemd, but there are many
in some cases, plan 9's coincidental inability to run modern programs that do
unpredictable and undesirable things is a useful feature. mothra, for example,
doesn't even handle many html tags, but it also doesn't execute unknown
server-supplied code on my terminal. how can i be sure? because
Am I the only one that is really bothered by the name?
It doesn't quite bring good things to mind.
On 24.07.15 21:43, Ryan Gonzalez wrote:
https://medium.com/this-is-not-a-monad-tutorial/harvey-an-operating-system-with-plan-9-s-shadow-3081414e5f0b
I'm not affiliated with this whatsoever; I
open source software is often a moving target.
pro tip: only use stable interfaces.
It doesn't quite bring good things to mind.
Are you suggesting that there are bad things out there with a similar
name? If so, I hope I'm not the only one who doesn't know about them.
Lucio.
On July 27, 2015 10:24:37 AM CDT, Daniel Valio not...@gmail.com wrote:
Am I the only one that is really bothered by the name?
It doesn't quite bring good things to mind.
What?? The Batman character??
On 24.07.15 21:43, Ryan Gonzalez wrote:
On 27/07/2015 17:03, Ryan Gonzalez wrote:
I always thought is was that emulating an open-source application
platform is easier than emulating a black box like Wine does, as you
can see how things are done and the internal APIs and stuff.
Yeah, but you know that Wine Is Not an Emulator! ;-)
Lee Harvey Oswald comes to mind to me at least.
In fact, when I was typing harvey os into my search bar, harvey
oswald was the first autocomplete suggestion.
On 27.07.15 13:48, Ryan Gonzalez wrote:
On July 27, 2015 10:24:37 AM CDT, Daniel Valio not...@gmail.com wrote:
Am I the only one
you are aware of the 9fans' fetish for movies
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0042546/
Lee Harvey Oswald comes to mind to me at least.
In fact, when I was typing harvey os into my search bar, harvey
oswald was the first autocomplete suggestion.
On 27.07.15 13:48, Ryan Gonzalez wrote:
On
pro tip: only use stable interfaces.
Like what? W3C, or USB or CPU instruction sets?
This sounds so despairing I'm sorry for you. But to answer your
question, it depends on how you use it:
My mouse on the windows 7 desktop is connected via USB and has no outages.
Subsets of HTML 3/4 are still
and rabbits
you are aware of the 9fans' fetish for movies
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0042546/
Il 27/Lug/2015 23:47, Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com ha scritto:
you are aware of the 9fans' fetish for movies
and rabbits
...and feticists. ;-)
I may be showing my age, but Harvey was a 6' tall invisible rabbit.
Harvey, 1950, starring James Stewart, Josephine Hull, Peggy Dow
Due to his insistence that he has an invisible six-foot rabbit for a best
friend, a whimsical middle-aged man is thought by his family to be insane -
but he may be
In general my computer does about exactly what i envisioned 15 years
ago whilst it was not possible yet.
I should now go into a tirade about the price we pay for the features
the marketing departments are foisting on us, but of course, it is not
all bad (I'm not sure if I can call my Galaxy S5
My mouse on the windows 7 desktop is connected via USB and has no outages.
I still own, but not use - I really ought to - some serial
three-button mice. I have noi doubt that I would get no outage from
them, too.
And, on a different sidetrack: why is it inconceivable for GCC (or
Clang, for
I personally wouldn't try fixing firefox' memory leaks with acid
why not?
Same reason you're stating below. I agree with you.
when i need to run Linux programs, i run linux.
what is the benefit of running firefox on a p9 like system, rather than on
linux? p9p does a good job of bringing
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An: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs 9fans@9fans.net
Betreff: Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9
I couldn’t resist looking, and found in
http://www.osnews.com/comments/28699
Harvey is an effort to get the Plan 9 code working with gcc and clang”.
So
I've never understood the fascination with gdb. To me it's just turgid.
I like saying acid has always worked for me because it's a fun thing to
say but not only is it painlessly useful it is programmable. stk and leak
are pretty neat.
brucee
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 5:52 AM, erik quanstrom
Who claimed fast compilation was a motive?
From what I understand this is all about being able to use gdb for debugging.
It makes sense to me, but it might still be subjective.
If you care I will explain my experience:
Some longer time ago I tried gdb for disassembling some secret binary,
but
).
But nontheless, it's a great idea and I hope they keep up the great work.
adrian
Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. Juli 2015 um 00:15 Uhr
Von: Axel Belinfante axel.belinfa...@utwente.nl
An: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs 9fans@9fans.net
Betreff: Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9
I
On 26 July 2015 at 18:33, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
if fast compilation is a feature over plan 9, I'd like to see some
numbers.
That wasn't the point, I think. The mention of speed was rather that on
fast enough hardware the speed with gcc isn't that bad,
so you can use
just speaking for myself, I found the fact that plan 9 was a self contained thing to be a must have. i don't consider the gcc toolchain to be a feature.
if "fast compilation" is a feature over plan 9, I'd like to see some numbers.
- erik
On Jul 25, 2015 3:15 PM, Axel Belinfante
You forgot about my favorite use of gdb:
$ gdb --args a b c
gdb run
# wait for segfault
gdb bt
...
gdb quit
On July 26, 2015 12:54:34 PM CDT, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote:
Who claimed fast compilation was a motive?
From what I understand this is all about being able to use gdb for
debugging.
It
wrong list? ;-)
On Jul 26, 2015 1:47 PM, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm trying to argue from a Linux point of view.
not sure what Harvey is... is it just plan9 ported to build on gcc?
if so does gcc run under Harvey?
does gcc run under plan9 now?
Steve
On 25 Jul 2015, at 01:43, Ryan Gonzalez rym...@gmail.com wrote:
No clue. I'm guessing it's heavily inspired by Plan 9.
On July 25, 2015 3:34:13 AM CDT, st...@quintile.net st...@quintile.net
wrote:
not sure what Harvey is... is it just plan9 ported to build on gcc?
if so does gcc run under Harvey?
does gcc run under plan9 now?
Steve
On 25 Jul 2015, at
I couldn’t resist looking, and found in http://www.osnews.com/comments/28699
http://www.osnews.com/comments/28699
Harvey is an effort to get the Plan 9 code working with gcc and clang”.
So, in a way it seems to be a port of Plan 9.
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