Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-27 Thread erik quanstrom
anthony, thanks for doing this. - erik

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-27 Thread Anthony Sorace
Folks: Friday was the meeting for rejected organizations to get some feedback on their applications and supporting material. I was able to attend on Plan 9's behalf. The news is overall positive, if not terribly satisfying. The folks at Google were quite happy with both our application and

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-20 Thread faif
Τη Δευτέρα, 19 Μαρτίου 2012 3:50:35 μ.μ. UTC+1, ο χρήστης erik quanstrom έγραψε: > > i'm not sure i understand the concept of reincarnation. on the one > hand, hardware by its nature can lock your machine up solid and > there's nothing the os can do about it. so how do you test driver > reincar

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-20 Thread Bruce Ellis
http://www.chunder.com/text/dead.html On 20 March 2012 19:25, Paschke Christoph wrote: > In 3 weeks I need work together with Italians because of a machine control > and the optimization system behind. > It's already difficult to work together and you can imagine English is > already a good way

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-20 Thread Paschke Christoph
In 3 weeks I need work together with Italians because of a machine control and the optimization system behind. It's already difficult to work together and you can imagine English is already a good way communication works. Although, in real, it is still difficult to understand the italian english

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-19 Thread Bruce Ellis
Even Shaney is having trouble with these fish of the trees, tho he would like to borrow "Most cases EU does central shit". brucee On 20 March 2012 10:07, Charles Forsyth wrote: > http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/plug-versus-plug-49303764/ > > > On 19 March 2012 22:22, andrey mirtchovski wrote: >

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-19 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Mar 19 19:08:13 EDT 2012, charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: > http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/plug-versus-plug-49303764/ "Brilliant: a problem solved that no one other plug needs to solve." - erik

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-19 Thread Charles Forsyth
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/plug-versus-plug-49303764/ On 19 March 2012 22:22, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > damn electric sockets! *shakes fist of impotent rage*

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-19 Thread andrey mirtchovski
damn electric sockets! *shakes fist of impotent rage*

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-19 Thread Jacob Todd
Mark V. Shaney, is that you? On Mar 19, 2012 3:54 PM, "Christoph Paschke" wrote: > >> and last i checked government or meta-government support > Ok, I do another example and maybe I'm a stupid German and I have lost the > "just for fun" idea. > > I see that more and more people get already VERY (

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-19 Thread Christoph Paschke
>> and last i checked government or meta-government supportOk, I do another example and maybe I'm a stupid German and I have lost the "just for fun" idea.I see that more and more people get already VERY (and announcement is on VERY!) angry about all this chaos around.I give you an example that can

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-19 Thread steve
I feel plan9 is the only thing worthy of me spending my time and effort on, and i do (when i can). -Steve On 19 Mar 2012, at 02:16 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> Agreed - people do tend to perform better when working on a project >> they are really invested in. >> >> But if that was true enough

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-19 Thread tlaronde
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:30:24PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: > > If your choice on Minix is because it is backed by E.U., you should > > question how long E.U. will last... > > silly me, i choose operating systems based on technical merit. > and last i checked government or meta-government supp

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-19 Thread erik quanstrom
> If your choice on Minix is because it is backed by E.U., you should > question how long E.U. will last... silly me, i choose operating systems based on technical merit. and last i checked government or meta-government support is not an indicator of technical merit in solving my problems. - erik

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-19 Thread tlaronde
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 02:25:54PM +, Christoph Paschke wrote: > [...] So, this is going fast > forward already. And they already looking for industrial partners. So, I as > a potential client in the industrial area can work together with them quite > easy. I not know if this will be simila

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-19 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Mar 19 07:49:02 EDT 2012, c.pasc...@me.com wrote: > Ok, for my understanding there is the difference between a > reincarnation resource approach on base of a Microkernel and driver in > user space (in Minix) or an file based distributed resource (in Plan > 9), right? So, both ideas I find q

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-19 Thread Christoph Paschke
Am 19. März 2012 um 13:10 schrieb tlaro...@polynum.com:On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:47:46PM +0100, Paschke Christoph wrote: > > I also got some idea to get engaged with Minix especially according to the idea of the Microkernel and the reincarnation drivers etc. But one part I got shocked was the amo

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-19 Thread tlaronde
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:47:46PM +0100, Paschke Christoph wrote: > > I also got some idea to get engaged with Minix especially according to the > idea of the Microkernel and the reincarnation drivers etc. But one part I got > shocked was the amount of RAM this system needs for nearly nothing a

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-19 Thread Paschke Christoph
You know that Minix / Prof. Tanenbaum get > 2.4 Mio Euro from European Union to get an Europe side operating system running. They were at the Nuernberg embedded fare. At the moment they migrate the x86 base to Arm. They got 2-3 students for that to work. I think it is not only the GSoC, but also

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-19 Thread faif
Τη Παρασκευή, 16 Μαρτίου 2012 8:36:46 μ.μ. UTC+1, ο χρήστης (άγνωστος) έγραψε: > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 03:17:13PM -0400, Anthony Sorace wrote: > > Folks: > > Unfortunately, Plan 9 was not selected to participate in > > this year's Summer of Code. > > I don't know the exhaustive list of rejec

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-19 Thread tlaronde
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 10:09:30PM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote: > > Agreed - people do tend to perform better when working on a project > they are really invested in. > > But if that was true enough, wouldn't tons of people be stepping up to > support plan9 development? > > If not, then obvious

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread Tristan
> that's one way of looking at it. another way of looking at it is that > the best jobs are the ones that you'd do anyway. and one could argue > these lucky people get the best job done. as someone who's currently doing some of it anyway, work on plan9 would be delightful. but i'm not so sure i'

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread andrew zerger
It feels like the kind of thing I always wind up saying to someone who "want's to learn about computers." .. You need a reason that you really care about, or odds are you probably wont make it that far. Leading a horse to water thing. Or else, you dont have a reason but by golly you can learn and d

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread Calvin Morrison
On 18 March 2012 22:16, erik quanstrom wrote: >> Agreed - people do tend to perform better when working on a project >> they are really invested in. >> >> But if that was true enough, wouldn't tons of people be stepping up to >> support plan9 development? >> >> If not, then obviously it's not wort

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread erik quanstrom
> Agreed - people do tend to perform better when working on a project > they are really invested in. > > But if that was true enough, wouldn't tons of people be stepping up to > support plan9 development? > > If not, then obviously it's not worth anyone's time. your argument seems to me to be an

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread Calvin Morrison
On 18 March 2012 22:04, erik quanstrom wrote: >> I am a student who would be interested in doing GSOC next year. In >> reality it all comes down to getting paid though. Like someone >> mentioned, very little work gets done on "free will", so gsoc is a >> good approach. (especially implementing not

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread erik quanstrom
> I am a student who would be interested in doing GSOC next year. In > reality it all comes down to getting paid though. Like someone > mentioned, very little work gets done on "free will", so gsoc is a > good approach. (especially implementing not so fun things nobody dares > touch) that's one wa

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread Calvin Morrison
On 18 March 2012 20:37, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Sun Mar 18 19:51:00 EDT 2012, j...@jfloren.net wrote: >> Kickstarter works because the people on Kickstarter are interested in >> whatever the project is producing. A book, a video game, other >> products. Plan 9 has a small community and an even

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Mar 18 19:51:00 EDT 2012, j...@jfloren.net wrote: > Kickstarter works because the people on Kickstarter are interested in > whatever the project is producing. A book, a video game, other > products. Plan 9 has a small community and an even smaller number of > people who actually use it. Unfo

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread John Floren
Kickstarter works because the people on Kickstarter are interested in whatever the project is producing. A book, a video game, other products. Plan 9 has a small community and an even smaller number of people who actually use it. Unfortunately, I don't think there's enough money there to pay for 1

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread Joseph Stewart
I guess I didn't realize there was pay involved. How about a kick-starter approach? Think it'd work? On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:20 PM, John Floren wrote: > I think being able to pay the students is what really makes GSoC work. > It adds an additional dimension that makes it a lot harder to just >

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread John Floren
I think being able to pay the students is what really makes GSoC work. It adds an additional dimension that makes it a lot harder to just say, "Oh, I'm bored with this, I quit". John On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Joseph Stewart wrote: > So this all makes me wonder why some social aggregation

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread Joseph Stewart
So this all makes me wonder why some social aggregation group (aka stack overflow or reddit/programming) or even just a big group of decentralized nerds couldn't just do a variant of GSoC on our own. Lining up mentors and mentees particularly w/o big biz or school backing is kinda what open source

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Mar 18 16:32:12 EDT 2012, rminn...@gmail.com wrote: > coreboot got rejected too and we had 5 years in a row. Don't feel bad. > I think they're trying to make sure that they don't get the same > players year after year, which is a good idea IMHO. > thanks, ron. that's reason enough to try

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread ron minnich
coreboot got rejected too and we had 5 years in a row. Don't feel bad. I think they're trying to make sure that they don't get the same players year after year, which is a good idea IMHO. ron

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-16 Thread tlaronde
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 03:17:13PM -0400, Anthony Sorace wrote: > Folks: > Unfortunately, Plan 9 was not selected to participate in > this year's Summer of Code. I don't know the exhaustive list of rejected, but I would say that the accepted one is enlightening. And BTW, Plan9 is not the on

[9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-16 Thread Anthony Sorace
Folks: Unfortunately, Plan 9 was not selected to participate in this year's Summer of Code. There is an upcoming "rejected orgs" meeting where folks will have the chance to hear (very briefly) why and what can be improved, and I'll try to make that and report back (it hasn't been scheduled