Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-13 Thread michael block
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 23:49, John Florenslawmas...@gmail.com wrote: With a little help from FreeDOS, I am now successfully running 2e i can't get past the first disk. it seems there is no suitable fat partition. no amount of partitioning and formatting under freedos or freebsd results in

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
I booted the FreeDOS disk and created a small partition (something like 50 MB) on the hard disk, leaving the rest unpartitioned. Then I installed FreeDOS to the small partition and started the Plan 9 installation. i don't have the 2e sources so i'm guessing. (apologies.)i don't know what

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-13 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:11 AM, michael blockmichaelmuf...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 23:49, John Florenslawmas...@gmail.com wrote: With a little help from FreeDOS, I am now successfully running 2e i can't get past the first disk. it seems there is no suitable fat partition. no

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-13 Thread michael block
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 09:23, John Florenslawmas...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, first note that I didn't have any luck with QEMU, I had to install on an actual 486. i have the same error with both qemu and period hardware. i'm running qemu-8.2.0 and a pentium 266MHz laptop. on the laptop both my

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 09:26, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: i don't know what versions of fat 2e supported, but i would imagine restricting oneself to fat16 (and not fat16 lba) would be safest. i used fat16, i think lba. i figured plan 9 would be smart enough to deal with

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-08 Thread Anthony Sorace
the CD includes sources to the kernel on platforms which required NDAs to get the information to do the port. part of the NDA, as i understand it, required the sorts of restrictions on redistribution in the commercial license. people have tried to get at least some bits of that opened up, and at

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-08 Thread Uriel
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:49 AM, John Florenslawmas...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Steve Simonst...@quintile.net wrote: As Anthony says it is very very old, but I might be fun if you had the time on your hands. The 2nd edition books/cdrom are nolonger available but you

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-08 Thread Anthony Sorace
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 11:45, ron minnichrminn...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder how many of the companies involved still exist :-) i suspect ron knows all this already; this is intended for anyone else who comes along and thinks this might make getting 2e CDs out easier (instead of harder). again,

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-08 Thread erik quanstrom
i was going to say that having Plan 9 ported to your platform seemed like a bad omen for your company, but equally valid is the observation that being a platform vender (other than Apple) is bad for your company. ibm seems to be doing ok. but sequent, the original home of ken's fs kernels,

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-08 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
anyway, to ron's question, for those keeping score: Sun: released their stuff; recently acquired by Oracle. NeXT: acquired by Apple, ate it from within. MIPS: acquired by SGI. a smaller MIPS was then spit out when SGI realized Itanium was their future (oops). SGI: went backrupt, twice, then

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-08 Thread Tim Newsham
probably the easiest of the three to deal with, if someone were really, really inclined. but really: don't be. these are kernels for very, very outdated platforms, some of which even eBay has trouble turning up. cobbling That's besides the point. This stuff should be saved for posterity, and

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Anthony Soraceano...@gmail.com wrote: that was for 2nd edition. it's now horribly outdated. it is also only available under an older, for-pay license that i'm not sure it's actually possible to buy any more. you don't actually want that set unless you're

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread Steve Simon
As Anthony says it is very very old, but I might be fun if you had the time on your hands. The 2nd edition books/cdrom are nolonger available but you might find a set seccond hand (abebooks.com etc). The floppys are here: /n/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/ I found a complete

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread erik quanstrom
The 4th edition should run on a 486, though you will need (say) 128Mb of ram - much more if you want to recompile gs(1). i got a couple of 64mb via terminals a few years ago. they were fine for normal work, compiling the kernel, even with the giant myricom driver, even with 64mb. cpu(1)

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread Uriel
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Steve Simonst...@quintile.net wrote: As Anthony says it is very very old, but I might be fun if you had the time on your hands. The 2nd edition books/cdrom are nolonger available but you might find a set seccond hand (abebooks.com etc). The floppys are here:

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
And the floppy is available at http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/2nd_edition/plan9.att.com/pcdist/ but I have not tested it, if you do I would love to hear about it. I had found that about a year ago, and was able to get the floppy set up and running in Virtual PC without much trouble. It'll only work

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread Anthony Sorace
the floppies were available without the book+cd; at least as late as 1996 i remember downloading them from att's web site. they represented a fairly minimal system. i don't remember specifically, but it seems likely that there were license terms specific to the download.

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread lucio
The 4th edition should run on a 486, though you will need (say) 128Mb of ram - much more if you want to recompile gs(1). All versions of Plan 9 need an FPU (awk usually caught me out) so beware of 486SX chips. ++L

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Steve Simonst...@quintile.net wrote: As Anthony says it is very very old, but I might be fun if you had the time on your hands. The 2nd edition books/cdrom are nolonger available but you might find a set seccond hand (abebooks.com etc). The floppys are here:

[9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-06 Thread John Floren
Looking at the very old mailing list archives, I noticed something about a 3-disk (or was it 4-disk?) floppy-based distribution of the earliest PC dist. Is that still available in some form? I just came into possession of a stack of floppies and a pair of 486s and I'm ready to dare to be stupid.