> How useful a research could be which is not backed by a business idea?
That's kind of the point I was getting at. Asking how research
is useful isn't asking the most telling question. Research isn't
always about utility; it's about intellectual contribution. Of
course, it's great when resear
On May 18, 2011, at 8:24 AM, blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote:
> ...I'm confused. Why are we using business ideas to constrain what
> we are doing with a research system?
Probably good point. But that said did not Lucent try to market Plan 9 beyond
that at some point, or do I have that wrong?
>
> How useful a research could be which is not backed by a business idea?
> Who will fund such projects, why and for how long?
>
you mean a research project like unix or plan 9?
- erik
On 05/18/2011 05:56 PM, blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote:
On 05/18/2011 05:12 AM, Jacob Todd wrote:
Writing/porting web stuff to plan 9 will be hard. Writing something that
accesses plan 9 from the web will be less hard.
"The KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) acronym has been popular in business
for d
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On May 18, 2011, at 5:24 AM, blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> On 05/18/2011 05:12 AM, Jacob Todd wrote:
>>> Writing/porting web stuff to plan 9 will be hard. Writing something that
>>> accesses plan 9 from the web will be less hard.
>>
>> "The KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid)
> On 05/18/2011 05:12 AM, Jacob Todd wrote:
>> Writing/porting web stuff to plan 9 will be hard. Writing something that
>> accesses plan 9 from the web will be less hard.
>
> "The KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) acronym has been popular in business
> for decades, but its message has never been more
> "The KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) acronym has been popular in business
for decades, but its message has never been more important and, or useful
for many." -- Rob Tannen
yes!!
>
> > BTW, I hate porting bloatware to clean, compact and efficient Plan 9.
>
so do i, however, sometimes time (
So any more thoughts on whether or not this would be useful?
I have to revise: that I did point to a java sdk and really should have
constrained my contents to something like jquery api instead.
So- why? (why build a website of drawterm)
(I think) I like plan9 as a potential network controller. N
it seems somebody already done a js virtual machine :)
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/05/17/0242244/Boot-Linux-In-Your-Browser
Dorin
> on the other hand, i think a js virtual machine (mips would be nicer
> than x86) might be interesting. drawterm has always been a clever
> hack. it would
On 05/18/2011 05:12 AM, Jacob Todd wrote:
Writing/porting web stuff to plan 9 will be hard. Writing something that
accesses plan 9 from the web will be less hard.
"The KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) acronym has been popular in business
for decades, but its message has never been more important
> >>it's always all right not to be an MBA
> not here ;-)
>
>i am not an MBA, maybe, it is all right
it's always all right not to be an MBA
i was overly emotional, sorry. i also overlooked that the debate is about
drawterm, a non-plan9 program. doubly sorry.
still, to my taste, to much effort is devoted to things outside the
system... however, i am not an MBA, maybe, it is all right.
wishing a fantastic day,
++pac
Hey David, thanks for responding.
The sci-fi you write below is exactly the sort of fiction I'd find
very interesting in "9 space", and corresponds rather closely
to what I premised in a past thread[1].
So, I believe we're speaking the same language; but the picture
you've painted seems out-o
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:58 PM, errno wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2011 04:40:50 PM Jacob Todd wrote:
> > Writing/porting web stuff to plan 9 will be hard. Writing
> > something that accesses plan 9 from the web will be less
> > hard.
> >
>
> Correct; but also somewhat ancillary to the general a
On Tuesday, May 17, 2011 04:40:50 PM Jacob Todd wrote:
> Writing/porting web stuff to plan 9 will be hard. Writing
> something that accesses plan 9 from the web will be less
> hard.
>
Correct; but also somewhat ancillary to the general areas
of concern:
> Is it really all that often when a Pl
Writing/porting web stuff to plan 9 will be hard. Writing something that
accesses plan 9 from the web will be less hard.
On May 17, 2011 6:53 PM, "errno" wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:31:32 AM John Floren wrote:
>> they want to let you connect to your Plan 9 system from a web
>> browser, be
JavaScript is not java...
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On May 17, 2011, at 11:46 AM, a z wrote:
> Ugh, I have to comment because to my noobness this sounds like an easy
> project, and an easy project to over-think. Teach a java app how to draw
> boxes like rio, and plug it in. Right?
>
> I would
On Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:31:32 AM John Floren wrote:
> they want to let you connect to your Plan 9 system from a web
> browser, because you can find a Javascript-supporting web browser
> anywhere (except Plan 9) these days.
>
On Tuesday, May 17, 2011 12:00:15 AM Adrian Tritschler wrote:
> Serv
other's have done what you're suggesting:
http://code.google.com/p/styxbrowser/
also drawterm port to iphone was one of last year's successful gsoc projects.
that's not the point though; the point is to have something that runs
natively in the browser. if chrome can run angry birds, why not
dra
Ugh, I have to comment because to my noobness this sounds like an easy
project, and an easy project to over-think. Teach a java app how to draw
boxes like rio, and plug it in. Right?
I would love to use Rio on a touchscreen, unfortunately I need to eat. So if
I get that eating thing figured out Il
> What the hell? They're not saying, "Screw running on hardware, let's
> just boot the whole system in Javascript under a browser", they want
> to let you connect to your Plan 9 system from a web browser, because
> you can find a Javascript-supporting web browser anywhere (except Plan
> 9) these da
i don't know what compromise you're talking about; anything that can
implement and use 9P is a legitimate component to attach to Plan 9.
browsers are the predominant way that users connect to the Net;
websockets in html5 provide the ability to establish a full duplex tcp
connection. why shouldn't w
This article seems to have all the pieces for mouse button management.
http://unixpapa.com/js/mouse.html
- Jason
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Joseph Stewart
wrote:
> (embarrassed) and didn't read the first post.
>
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:57 PM, John Floren wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 17
(embarrassed) and didn't read the first post.
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:57 PM, John Floren wrote:
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Joseph Stewart
> wrote:
> > (kinda off-topic)
> > Just saw this show up today... QEMU+Linux running under JavaScript on
> > Chrome/FireFox.
> > http://bellard.or
> http://bellard.org/jslinux/
That's the link that started this thread. :-)
I think the HTML Canvas and WebSockets would make
drawterm a bit easier now than it was the last time I tried.
The main problem now is that I don't believe it's possible
to grab all three mouse button clicks reliably.
R
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Joseph Stewart
wrote:
> (kinda off-topic)
> Just saw this show up today... QEMU+Linux running under JavaScript on
> Chrome/FireFox.
> http://bellard.org/jslinux/
> -joe
It's not really off-topic, since that's the site that the OP's
slashdot link was about :)
Jo
(kinda off-topic)
Just saw this show up today... QEMU+Linux running under JavaScript on
Chrome/FireFox.
http://bellard.org/jslinux/
-joe
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Peter A. Cejchan wrote:
> Folks,
> i am very unhappy seeing this kind of discussions here (and, the wasted
> potential to do something more useful in my eyes, sorry, but IMHO)... it
> resembles me very much the times when Steve Jobbs compromised the ideas of
> the
Folks,
i am very unhappy seeing this kind of discussions here (and, the wasted
potential to do something more useful in my eyes, sorry, but IMHO)... it
resembles me very much the times when Steve Jobbs compromised the ideas of
the NeXTstep, first downgrading it to the OpenStep for Windoze users, th
I suggested a simple draw server in HTML5+websockets for a GSoC
project this year. If anyone wants to work on it let me know.
http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/gsoc-2011-ideas/index.html
-Skip
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Adrian Tritschler wrote:
> If this can be done
> http://lin
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:38 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/05/17/0242244/Boot-Linux-In-Your-Browse
>> then how about drawterm in javascript? Serve it over http and access
>> your CPU server from anywhere that's got a web browser.
>
> russ implemented samterm in j
While not exactly the same, http://guacamole.sourceforge.net/ might be
a good starting point for what would need to be done. There are
actually several variations of this around (vnc in javascript). Not
sure which would be the most simple as a starting point.
-eric
On Tue, May 17,
> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/05/17/0242244/Boot-Linux-In-Your-Browse
> then how about drawterm in javascript? Serve it over http and access
> your CPU server from anywhere that's got a web browser.
russ implemented samterm in js.
- erik
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