Re: [9fans] Inferno /sys/doc: PDFs are actually PS?

Charles Forsyth wrote: i should probably try the adobe site that converts single documents, if that's still there. i'm reluctant to buy a new acrobat copy just for one file. OpenOffice Writer can output to pdf. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA

Re: [9fans] site is down?

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Re: [9fans] Abaco: url parsing problem

would be a clear winner but would be further improved by ideas and pieces from the other. Wes Kussmaul -- The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged i

Re: [9fans] upas/smtpd password authentication

ainst them. Wes Kussmaul Jonathan D. Proulx wrote: On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 06:16:06PM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote: :i'm not a security expert. what case that i can't currently see :would tls solve for me that's worth the extra configuration. :what am i missing? It will prevent t

Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

Sorry, that was intended to be off-list. Wes Kussmaul wrote: Ron, I'm going to be at Internet Identity Workshop next week. Can I send you a USB stick, or if you have one handy can you load it and I'll paypal you the cost + shipping? Thanks, Wes ron minnich wrote: looks like I

Re: [9fans] WIP session at IWP9

to attend? Can you bring a 2G USB stick? The goal is to get you a usable environment you can take away with you. I can try to get some sticks here, but it is better if you can bring one. Let me know ron -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-

Re: [9fans] detached/persistent sessions

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Re: [9fans] Slow response, was /n/sources/contrib/

liquid and then consumed the pulpy mass. Wes Kussmaul The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient,

Re: [9fans] Announce: standalone libixp

Jonathan Cast wrote: Have we really gotten to the point in political science where sane ideas can be uttered safely in public? They've got it all worked out in Bookland: http://freebookland.com/constitution.html Wes Kussmaul

Re: [9fans] XML

Nothing on the plane of the surface of the earth at the south pole can head or face south. Only something orthogonal to the surface (eg the pole itself or perhaps a penguin's head) can point south. wk erik quanstrom wrote: however, one end would be *heading* north. the other would be *headin

Re: [9fans] XML

A dog straddling the south pole would have two north-facing ends. Bill apparently meant south-facing end. erik quanstrom wrote: any such dog would need to be straddling the south pole. there can be at most one of these dogs at any one time. ;-) - erik On Mon May 21 19:29:20 EDT 2007, [EMAIL

Re: [9fans] usb: keyboards vs. hubs

the key fob (or wristwatch or whatever) 5. standards for software that defines when and how police may ping your car to see who's driving; 6. building codes for the facility from which you control the use of information that is associated with the key pair Wes Kussmaul

Re: [9fans] usb: keyboards vs. hubs

Bruce Ellis wrote: no standards dudes can implement anything. ...in a message that was answered expertly by Charles Forsyth, who once again shows that he, a consummate implementer with a real passion for simplicity and elegance, should be the sole source of standards for everything in the wo

Re: [9fans] for unto us a child is born!

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Re: [9fans] interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno

David Leimbach wrote: So how did Windows get so huge? :-) By skillfully managing perceptions building a worldwide network of "certified" people whose livelihoods depend upon increasing complexity ensuring the support of the hardware community by requiring regular purchases of new comput

Re: [9fans] stuff

Steve Simon wrote: I also uploaded a rather feable attempt at a MS PowerPoint cracker... much of its heuristics are guesswork due to the limited documentation on the file format. Can't you examine the code for Open Office Impress to help with that? OOI does fairly well at opening .ppt files.

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

Sorry, that was supposed to be private. Wes Kussmaul wrote: Ron, you are the missing link between rational programming and montaigne-ism (living with the living.) Are you swinging by here on your way back from Tampa? Wes But maybe rio and acme are wrong. I guess we can worry about

Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch

Ron, you are the missing link between rational programming and montaigne-ism (living with the living.) Are you swinging by here on your way back from Tampa? Wes But maybe rio and acme are wrong. I guess we can worry about internal consistency in plan 9, but fact is, in the rest of the know

Re: [9fans] Radeon driver

Sascha Retzki wrote: Anel Philippe wrote: Indeed newer Ati's chipsets are not documented at all (I don't have docs and reading x11 drivers is ... a real drag ...) and only commercial drivers work (even for 2D only stuff) ... I suspect that may chang

Re: [9fans] Announcement - Glenda Rulz

I'm interested! Wes Kussmaul 781-647-7178 Skip Tavakkolian wrote: Hello 9fans, We've been working on a system we call Shared Name Spaces, and a service based on that system. We're opening the service to testing by 9fans who want to try it. Anyone interested please em

Re: [9fans] Radeon driver

Anel Philippe wrote: Indeed newer Ati's chipsets are not documented at all (I don't have docs and reading x11 drivers is ... a real drag ...) and only commercial drivers work (even for 2D only stuff) ... I suspect that may change now that AMD is buying ATI.

Re: [9fans] multiple venti servers

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An alternative might be to run venti/copy from your main venti server to a backup venti server(s) periodically. If you made an arrangement with Chris Gladwin at Cleversafe you could avoid having to own and manage those dispersed servers. http://www.cleversafe.com/

Re: [9fans] PLAN9

Charles Forsyth wrote: Hey, asking things.. when are they sued this time? the trademark is [correctly] registered by Lucent only for ``operating system computer programs'', not for programming language(s). In the U.S., that's close enough to constitute a case.

Re: [9fans] group permission

kind of thing is not realistic. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 USA 781-647-7178 My uncle likes to say that the world’s biggest troubles started when the serpent said, “Try this fruit, and by the way if a bunch of people collectively calling themselves Arthur

Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

institute a universal ID-PKI with privacy protection, things will get better. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 My uncle likes to say that the world’s biggest troubles started when the serpent said, “Try this fruit, and by the way if a bun

Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

part. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 My uncle likes to say that the world’s biggest troubles started when the serpent said, “Try this fruit, and by the way if a bunch of people collectively calling themselves Arthur Andersen signs something

Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

See quote in my sig below. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 My uncle likes to say that the world’s biggest troubles started when the serpent said, “Try this fruit, and by the way if a bunch of people collectively calling themselves Arthur Andersen

Re: [9fans] Investigating the Plan 9 Operating System - OSNews.com

education targeted at/through thought leaders is even more important than PR. Waiting... -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 My uncle likes to say that the world’s biggest troubles started when the serpent said, “Try this fruit, and by th

Re: [9fans] A look at the OLPC environment

Ronald G Minnich wrote: Wes Kussmaul wrote: Nowhere near the quality of OLPC of course but if you put in a big enough order with a manufacturer of DVD players for a machine replacing the DVD drive with a keyboard, add ethernet and a couple of gigs of flash and you could sell OLPWC (Western

Re: [9fans] A look at the OLPC environment

f you put in a big enough order with a manufacturer of DVD players for a machine replacing the DVD drive with a keyboard, add ethernet and a couple of gigs of flash and you could sell OLPWC (Western Cheapo) for under a hundred dollars and make money on it. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main

Re: Inferno on OLPC? (was Re: [9fans] *poof*)

will be reintroduced on models going to very primitive areas, that it had been removed because it generated distracting a distracting buzz, e.g. "Hey Melinda, what do you call a crank on a computer? Nick Negroponte." -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA

Re: [9fans] A look at the OLPC environment

ill make a few sheckels. At $100 OLPC may be overpriced, expecially if there are no retailer margins. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 My uncle likes to say that the world’s biggest troubles started when the serpent said, “Try this fruit, and

Re: [9fans] Install from CD fails

laptops, etc. The world wants to know about routes around proprietary walls. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 My uncle likes to say that the world’s biggest troubles started when the serpent said, “Try this fruit, and by the way if a bunch of

Re: [9fans] Install from CD fails

Ronald G Minnich wrote: you're getting way too fancy. /bin/date anyone? So let me ask a dumb question: why is it Linuxbios instead of 9bios?

Re: [9fans] How low can you go?

Brantley Coile wrote: One of my off-the-cuff polls. I had uucp mail in 1983. What's the earlist everyone had email and did it pass thru uucico? I was providing email to consumers on an isolated VAX in 1981, if that counts. It came with the world's first online encyclopedia

Re: [9fans] new compilers

Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: Doesn´t the "Linus´s Just for Fun" book title answer these questions? :-) Indeed, I bet Linus himself doesn't remember half the "justifications" for doing it.

Re: [9fans] ports from GPL

Ronald G Minnich wrote: Wes Kussmaul wrote: I have learned that you do the new-new thing a disservice if you yield to the common desire to force it into a readily comprehended semantic box. Make 'em choose between ignoring it or doing a little mental work. (Disregard this advice if y

Re: [9fans] ports from GPL

I have learned that you do the new-new thing a disservice if you yield to the common desire to force it into a readily comprehended semantic box. Make 'em choose between ignoring it or doing a little mental work. (Disregard this advice if you're trying to sell something.) -- Wes Kuss

Re: [9fans] compact form server

nnich posted to the linuxbios list. And lots of robotic vacuum cleaners. Can you give us a better vector? -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 My uncle likes to say that the world’s biggest troubles started when the serpent said, “Try this fruit, and b

Re: [9fans] More 'Sam I am'

corporate structures means more powerful. So we're back to an appreciation for simplicity, which I do think correlates with that elusive thing we call smarts. Hm, given the clutter in my office, what does that say about... never mind. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Wa

Re: [9fans] More 'Sam I am'

n customers regardless of whether it makes their lives more difficult. My point is that that can change. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 My uncle likes to say that the world’s biggest troubles started when the serpent said, “Try this frui

Re: [9fans] More 'Sam I am'

ewhere there has to be a Churchill directing people to be led by people who are smarter than themselves. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 My uncle likes to say that the world’s biggest troubles started when the serpent said, “Try this fruit,

Re: [9fans] revision control

.pdf http://www.research.compaq.com/SRC/vesta That second url doesn't seem to work, but I found http://www.vestasys.org/ -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 My uncle likes to say that the world’s biggest troubles started when the se

Re: [9fans] Brdline

tring quartet too. And a jester to deliver bad news. Nothing is as soul-draining as standards arguments. Let the serfs argue. You rule. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 My uncle likes to say that the world’s biggest troubles started whe

Re: [9fans] Brdline

apply duly constituted public authority to a standard. He/she cannot have any alliances with anyone but the ITU. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 My uncle likes to say that the world’s biggest troubles started when the serpent said, “Try

Re: [9fans] MS Research reinvents Inferno?

o me, qualifies as truck science. But even if it doesn't it was probably a very fun thing to do. Sort of like finding a way to put Linux in ROM and replacing the stupid BIOS with it. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 My uncle likes t

Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid?

For a truly fresh perspective on Plan 9 direction, perhaps this person can be talked into attending: http://www.skyline2.co.uk/ -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 My uncle likes to say that the world’s biggest troubles started when the

Re: [9fans] web apps

s-well designed (let alone implemented) than usual! Why must we assume that there will continue to be something called a "browser"? -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 The information contained in this electronic message and any attachm

Re: [9fans] web apps

s like AJAX are different facets of SOAP a.k.a CORBA-over-HTTP/XML. Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. Goethe -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178

Re: [9fans] web apps

re we are again. This will be fun. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or pri

Re: [9fans] libhtml vs. tags

rest of eternity. When I hear AJAX I feel so much nausea I can't even reach for my MP5 and I have to run for the bathroom to empty my stomach. C'mon, don't hold back, tell us how you REALLY feel. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781

Re: [9fans] libhtml vs. tags

X wants to be and would be if its creators knew about the Plan 9 way of doing things. The noise level in the public square prevents the development of elegant things there. But that's not to say that elegant things can't be successfully introduced in the public square when they

Re: [9fans] libhtml vs. tags

aving to change to keep their audience. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain

Re: [9fans] libhtml vs. tags

Trickey, Howard W (Howard) wrote: you have to experiment with, say, Internet Explorer, to see how it resolves the problem. Or Firefox, where you have the benefit of source code to look at. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 The

Re: [9fans] stubbing

Sorry, that was a bit shrill.

Re: [9fans] stubbing

Dave Lukes wrote: If we don't solve the current problems we'll drown before we have a chance to solve the future problems. Solve the current problems with what? Firewalls? Intrusion detection systems and whitelists and blacklists? Hey, the ship is going down and we are drowning. Shall we ign

Re: [9fans] stubbing

Dave Lukes wrote: ... and this helps my current spam problem how? Oh, there's that troublesome word "current" again... Look at it this way. If you have kids, spam will be the least of their online problems if we don't do something. Wes -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Vi

Re: [9fans] stubbing

This is exactly the problem with blacklisting: you might reject some bad mail, but you lose a lot of good mail too. It's like chewing off your arm just because your pinky is broken. Russ ID-PKI

Re: [9fans] stubbing

Dave Lukes wrote: I'm sure we'd all like to hear of a spam-protection system which isn't a PITA to administer and which actually delivers the message before the recipient dies of old age: greylisting is too slow for our business. Sadly, in reality, I suspect that what we have here (spamassassi

Re: [9fans] killing processes

On Sep 15, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Ronald G Minnich wrote: I want a backpack full of cpu servers, a laptop with no disk, and a fossil in my pocket (maybe an ipod? Or see the blackdog device -- can't turn on fossil until it takes your thumbprint). Blackdog? Nice, but it runs Linux. I have a f

Re: [9fans] First-timer help

Richard Miller wrote: Didn't HP (many years ago) make a desktop machine with Unix in ROM? Wasn't someone who's very familiar to us involved in LinuxBIOS? -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 The information contained in

Re: [9fans] First-timer help

ing is kosher. There are business-card-sized CD-R's, so if you do trust the BIOS you can have a read-only bootable system in your wallet at all times. LNX-BBC is a good one: http://www.lnx-bbc.org/ However: a cd will last about a month in your wallet before it's no good. Unles

Re: [9fans] "Absent friends" of Boyd list so far ...

i'll just stick to shooting 9mm 'cos that is a lot easier on the carpal tunnel (as long as you fire single action). = Edgy punkiness and a genuine concern for users of the Internet, all wrapped up in one fascinating person. He will be missed. Please add me to the list. Wes Kussmaul

[9fans] Rumsfeld

p with stuff like that all the time when she worked for me. Caused many quiet, reflective moments in meetings. -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended f

Re: [9fans] yes, it runs Plan 9, slowly

t had them making their own chips and is looking to license Efficeon to someone with more manufacturing competence, even if it doesn't own its own fab. Your experience suggests that they've already turned out the lights. Or it explains how they got into their predicament. -- Wes Kuss

Re: [9fans] could it write code too?

That paper is a work of beauty. The graph and scatter plot are very nice touches. I recall a similar paper written by one Jack Torrance in... Jack Torrance was played by another Jack... caretaker for a resort hotel...

Re: [9fans] could it write code too?

Andy Newman wrote: Russ Cox wrote: After seeing David Mazieres's submission (http://www.scs.cs.nyu.edu/~dm/remove.pdf), That paper is a work of beauty. The graph and scatter plot are very nice touches. I recall a similar paper written by one Jack Torrance in...