Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...

2003-07-20 Thread Frank Nordberg
John Walsh wrote: ... Incidentally, for abc historians: if you have a copy of a Basic manual collecting dust on your shelves, check out the PLAY command. Hmmm... I think I can kinda guess what you're hinting at, but so many years have past! So, for those of us who happens to have such

[abcusers] QBasic Play statement

2003-07-20 Thread I. Oppenheim
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, Frank Nordberg wrote: So, for those of us who happens to have such antiqus safely stored in our parents' house five hundred miles from present location: You don't happen to have a web reference, do you? For those curious, here follows the documentation from the Microsoft

[abcusers] Re: QBasic Play statement

2003-07-20 Thread Bryancreer
Excellent! abc2mtex was in clear breach of the standard set by QBasic (and I bet that wasn't the first). Bryan Creer To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-20 Thread Richard Robinson
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 11:31:54PM +, John Chambers wrote: Richard Robinson writes: | | I've been forced to use this for %%Copyright, which is a thing that's | important to keep track of, which ordinary ABC can't handle. This is also done routinely by a lot of people by putting

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-20 Thread Steve Mansfield
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bernard Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Novelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Anyway, here's an example: T:title W:music by ... W:words by ... N:sources, discography, books, history, transcription notes, etc. % From http://... L:1/8 M:2/4

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-20 Thread Phil Taylor
We have had occasional suggestions that abc allow spelling out the names of header lines, using Title: and Composer: for example. This would mean some small tweaks to abc parsers, but it obvious wouldn't be a really big deal. Ho Ho! Perhaps not in C, where a pointer to a char is the

[abcusers] My proposal

2003-07-20 Thread Tom Novelli
I think I'd better rethink my proposal, since (as expected) it's been soundly rejected by several folk-tune collectors whose support is needed. I have ideas for a better format (IMHO) for transcribing tunes; besides correcting some mistakes in ABC and borrowing a few things from NMD, it would

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-20 Thread Richard Robinson
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 03:02:28PM +0100, Phil Taylor wrote: But I think we're going to have to deal with this at some point. We _are_ running out of characters, there are ambiguities which could be clarified by using a whole word, it would make the whole thing rather more accessible to

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-20 Thread John Chambers
Richard Robinson writes: | On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 11:31:54PM +, John Chambers wrote: | Richard Robinson writes: | | I've been forced to use this for %%Copyright, which is a thing that's | | important to keep track of, which ordinary ABC can't handle. | | There is a minor problem with the

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-20 Thread John McChesney-Young
John Chambers wrote in part: ©: 1998 Joe Smith ... But some people might have problems figuring out how to type this. On many linux and *BSD systems, you can get the copyright symbol with the ALT-) (or ALT-SHIFT-0) combination, but I don't think this will work on Windoze or Mac systems. In

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-20 Thread Tom Novelli
The whole origin/area/source issue must have been beaten to death many times before I got here... you can't really say where a 300-year old tune originated. And then some people would sink so low as to pass it off as their own work, if it's obscure enough. Or write what they believe to be an

Re: [abcusers] My proposal

2003-07-20 Thread John Chambers
Tom Novelli writes: | I think I'd better rethink my proposal, since (as expected) it's been | soundly rejected by several folk-tune collectors whose support is needed. | I have ideas for a better format (IMHO) for transcribing tunes; besides | correcting some mistakes in ABC and borrowing a few

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-20 Thread Bernard Hill
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Mansfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bernard Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Novelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Anyway, here's an example: T:title W:music by ... W:words by ... N:sources, discography,

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-20 Thread John Chambers
John McChesney-Young writes: | John Chambers wrote in part: | | ©: 1998 Joe Smith ... | | But some people might have problems figuring out how to type this. On | many linux and *BSD systems, you can get the copyright symbol with | the ALT-) (or ALT-SHIFT-0) combination, but I don't think this

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-20 Thread Richard Robinson
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 03:53:17PM +, John Chambers wrote: Richard Robinson writes: | | | I've been forced to use this for %%Copyright, which is a thing that's | | important to keep track of, which ordinary ABC can't handle. I've long thought that we really should have a well-defined

[abcusers] Re: ABC sects

2003-07-20 Thread Bryancreer
Phil Taylors wrote - Bryan Creer wrote: Phil Taylors extensions to the V: command were largely incompatible with the original and you speak of different syntaxes for BarFly and abc2mps extensions. If precedence is at all important, BarFly handled multivoice abc before abcm2ps started. I think

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-20 Thread Jeff Szuhay
these are all arguments for full-word labels. %% looks kludgy to me. N: is cryptic I just don't understand why this is an issue. jw On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 01:41 pm, John Chambers wrote: John McChesney-Young writes: | John Chambers wrote in part: | | ©: 1998 Joe Smith ... | | But some

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-20 Thread Phil Taylor
Jeff Szuhay wrote: these are all arguments for full-word labels. %% looks kludgy to me. Agreed. It does have the advantage of being automatically ignored by programs which don't understand it though. I've always thought of it as mainly suitable for completely program-specific features which

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-20 Thread Frank Nordberg
John Chambers wrote: ©: 1998 Joe Smith ... But some people might have problems figuring out how to type this. On many linux and *BSD systems, you can get the copyright symbol with the ALT-) (or ALT-SHIFT-0) combination, but I don't think this will work on Windoze or Mac systems. Why

[abcusers] copyright sign

2003-07-20 Thread Jack Campin
[copyright sign] We could pick one of the unused single-letter headers, if we don't want to make the jump to full-word headers. Of course, the best would be just: : 1998 Joe Smith ... which via your mail client and mine emerged as a colon here. But some people might have problems

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-20 Thread Jack Campin
Particularly, I'm getting unhappy about Jack's (??I think) mention of A: as Author (of words). Or, more particularly, I use A: heavily as Area, and am not comfortable, about 1) conflicting with other meanings (it's not the first time A: == Author has been mentioned) and 2) the issues that

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-20 Thread Jack Campin
I'd also suggest that we strongly encourage a URL or email address [...] so that people can easily find the owner and ask for permission to use the music. we should note that any email addresses they contain may be a spam risk, while (if) encouraging people to use them. URLs much better;

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-20 Thread Richard Robinson
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 02:24:20AM +0100, Jack Campin wrote: Particularly, I'm getting unhappy about Jack's (??I think) mention of A: as Author (of words). Or, more particularly, I use A: heavily as Area, and am not comfortable, about 1) conflicting with other meanings (it's not the

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-20 Thread Richard Robinson
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 02:24:35AM +0100, Jack Campin wrote: I'd also suggest that we strongly encourage a URL or email address [...] so that people can easily find the owner and ask for permission to use the music. we should note that any email addresses they contain may be a spam risk,

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-20 Thread John Chambers
Frank Nordberg writes: | John Chambers wrote: | | ©: 1998 Joe Smith ... | | But some people might have problems figuring out how to type this. On | many linux and *BSD systems, you can get the copyright symbol with | the ALT-) (or ALT-SHIFT-0) combination, but I don't think this will |