Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread Bruce Olson
that delivered in liters had to be abandoned, and old (US) gallon pumps reinstalled]. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, and broadside ballads at Bruce Olson's website A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click /a To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread Bruce Olson
John Chambers wrote: Bruce Olson writes: | John Chambers wrote: | There was a rather funny NRP article in the late 80's about the | non-celebration of the 100th anniversary of the US going metric. | They explained what they meant by this, of course, and in the process

Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)

2003-07-21 Thread Bruce Olson
John Chambers wrote: Bruce Olson writes: | John Chambers wrote: Sorry for that; I clicked the wrong button. NIST studies a situation and makes reccomendations to Congress. Congress, not NIST, then considers, and decides what will be a legal definition. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old

Re: [abcusers] what's your Walshaw number?

2003-07-14 Thread Bruce Olson
/lists.html I never met Paul Erdos, but the paper he wrote ALONE on minimization of optical aberations in a three element system is fantastic. I have a fairly recent biography of him as 'The Man Who Loved Numbers'. Bruce Olson Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes

Re: [abcusers] K:Hp anyone?

2003-07-08 Thread Bruce Olson
' are given on Jack Campin's website. Coded there as K:Hp are numbers: 11, 18, 37, 39, 43, 48, 124, 141 and 167. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click /a To subscribe/unsubscribe, point

Re: [abcusers] new BNF spec

2003-07-07 Thread Bruce Olson
in the ABC as far as upper or lower case letters go. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click /a To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] Just a little seasonal song (for a change)

2002-10-31 Thread Bruce Olson
, with an ABC of the tune in file S2.ABC. [Bert Lloyd is there, too, but in a picture that he once posed for me.] Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click /a To subscribe/unsubscribe, point

[abcusers] Key sigs again

2002-10-08 Thread Bruce Olson
-phrygian, and 7- locrian) from that note number and you get the number of sharps or flats you put on the key signature. If the number is negative it's the number of flats, and if it's positive it's the number of sharps. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes

Re: [abcusers] Key sigs again

2002-10-08 Thread Bruce Olson
John Chambers wrote: Bruce Olson writes: | I had thought I had the simplest way to figure out sharps and flats | on the key signature from mode and keynote graphed on a .GIF on | my website. I was wrong. I found a much simpler way, as shown on a | new .GIF there, SFMODE2.GIF. Most

[abcusers] Modes: Greeks and others

2002-09-25 Thread Bruce Olson
comprise over 99.9% of all tunes listed in file COMBCOD3.TXT on my website. MODETABL.TXT there lists all the modes I've seen, to which is added this mode classification as: G- Greek based, H- 1 note away from Greek, I, 2- notes away from Greek, N- (2) oddballs. Bruce Olson Roots of Folk: Old British

Re: [abcusers] RE: Explicit key signatures

2002-07-27 Thread Bruce Olson
Jack Campin wrote: ... See Delven Side, p.15 of the Complete Repository volume 1. It's in E dorian, described as In Enatural with flat 3d. .. === http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ What is the keynote? E natural with flatted 3rd is in the description, not

Re: [abcusers] RE: Explicit key signatures

2002-07-27 Thread Bruce Olson
Bruce Olson wrote: . Actually the C#s are unstressed short notes that shouldn't be counted, so the tune if D should be called a hexatonic Lydian/Ionian. . Make that hexatonic Ionian/Mixolydian Bruce Olson Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-25 Thread Bruce Olson
Phil Taylor wrote: Bruce Olson wrote: Phil Taylor wrote: The other scale that I can't find any examples for is the pentatonic Pi-5. I suspect that there aren't any, as that scale involves dropping the fifth, and it's hard to imagine a tune without a fifth

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-24 Thread Bruce Olson
Bruce Olson wrote: Phil Taylor wrote: The other scale that I can't find any examples for is the pentatonic Pi-5. I suspect that there aren't any, as that scale involves dropping the fifth, and it's hard to imagine a tune without a fifth in it. Phil Taylor

Re: [abcusers] RE: Explicit key signatures

2002-07-23 Thread Bruce Olson
logical, and in my estimation much to be prefered). Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click /a To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-23 Thread Bruce Olson
for the Locrian tune. I had heard about 5 years ago that there was one, but the ones that told me about it didn't know where to find it. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-23 Thread Bruce Olson
particulary that in A minor mode this gives D = 293 1/3 instead of D = 297 of C major. With this we add a perfect DFA minor chord, so in minor modes minor chords start on the 1st, 4th, and 5th of the scale, like in major mode where major chords start on 1st, 4th, and 5th of the scale. Bruce Olson

Re: [abcusers] Re: Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-22 Thread Bruce Olson
to enforce the tonic/mode system on everybody is wrong. An explicit key signature is much more general and value free. Robert Bley-Vroman did not call anybody a jerk in this posting. John Chambers wrote - Nobody has suggested replacing K:tonic+mode with K:signature. Unfortunately Bruce Olson

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-21 Thread Bruce Olson
in the near future; it's just too hard to figure out anything else. Homer got it wrong; it should be Beware of Greeks bearing modes. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click /a Motto: Keep

Re: [abcusers] Explicit key signatures

2002-07-18 Thread Bruce Olson
as key and mode go, and not all interpreters will come out with the same key-mode combination for a given tune. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click /a Motto: Keep at it; muddling

Re: [abcusers] Re: keys modes (was: tune finder)

2002-07-16 Thread Bruce Olson
sharps to the key signature (or subtracts n flats if key sig. is 7b). Moving it n modes to the right adds n flats to the key signature (or subtracts n sharps if key sig. is 7#). That's all there is to it. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside

Re: [abcusers] Re: keys modes (was: tune finder)

2002-07-14 Thread Bruce Olson
AND the keynote. Going to the RIGHT from Locrian to Lydian add a flat to (or subtract a sharp from) both. Now we can get what we need without any table. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my no-spam website - www.erols.com/olsonw

Re: [abcusers] modes (again)

2002-06-30 Thread Bruce Olson
of them (52%) are tune mode NOT EQUAL to scoring mode. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my no-spam website - www.erols.com/olsonw or just A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click /a Motto: Keep at it; muddling through always

Re: [abcusers] modes (again)

2002-06-27 Thread Bruce Olson
on it in about 5 seconds. Bruce Olson Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my no-spam website - www.erols.com/olsonw or just A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click /a Motto: Keep at it; muddling through always works. To subscribe/unsubscribe

Re: [abcusers] Pythagoras

2001-04-06 Thread Bruce Olson
/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Many thanks (again) Jack, I've also seen it questioned as to whether the ancient Greeks knew what an octave was. Bruce Olson Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website (no advs-spam, etc

Re: [abcusers] intonation - Fomula for determining a half step inMgHz...

2001-04-06 Thread Bruce Olson
alt on them will work, cause I can run very fast anymore). Just one strand on the bow doesn't work very well. Bruce Olson [ABCUSER resident curmudgeon, #2] Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website (no advs-spam, etc)- www.erols.com/olsonw or click below

Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

2001-04-04 Thread Bruce Olson
and my ABZ player). Norbeck's AbcMus I haven't examined much, but my trials on A=440 lead to an audio signal out as a three part sawtooth for each cycle. The ear doesn't seem to much care how close to a sine wave it is, as far as calling it 'music' goes. Bruce Olson Old English, Irish an

Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

2001-04-04 Thread Bruce Olson
to by comparing one string to another (tightening or loosening a sting will tell if the adjusted string frequency is higher or lower than that of the reference string). So it's tuned to 12TET, and not to just intonation. Bruce Olson -- Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes, bro

Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

2001-04-04 Thread Bruce Olson
Pythagoras said in a reliable translation? Bruce Olson Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website (no advs-spam, etc)- www.erols.com/olsonw or click below A href="http://www.erols.com/olsonw" Click /a To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browse

Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...

2001-04-03 Thread Bruce Olson
m/lists.html That's what I said. There's more equal temperament scales than the 12 tone one. E.g., 19, for one. It's easy to make others if you know a little math. Bruce Olson Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website (no advs-spam, etc)- www.erols.com/o

[abcusers] ABC2WIN, AbcMus

2001-04-02 Thread Bruce Olson
Bruce Olson wrote: My ABC2WIN has a nice little button on the tool bar that plays A=440 Hz (verified on a 2 channel oscilloscope with 1 KHz reference square wave on the 2nd channel). Why does my ABC2WIN play that A in a tune at 880 Hz, (and all other notes) an octave too high? Bruce

Re: [abcusers] ABC2WIN, AbcMus

2001-04-02 Thread Bruce Olson
John Walsh wrote: Bruce Olson wrote: My ABC2WIN has a nice little button on the tool bar that plays A=440 Hz (verified on a 2 channel oscilloscope with 1 KHz reference square wave on the 2nd channel). Why does my ABC2WIN play that A in a tune at 880 Hz, (and all other notes

[abcusers] Re: ABC2WIN frequencies

2001-04-01 Thread Bruce Olson
My ABC2WIN has a nice little button on the tool bar that plays A=440 Hz (verified on a 2 channel oscilloscope with 1 KHz reference square wave on the 2nd channel). Why does my ABC2WIN play that A in a tune at 880 Hz, (and all other notes) an octave too high? Bruce Olson Old English, Irish

Re: [abcusers] Modes and key signatures (Was: Hi)

2001-03-08 Thread Bruce Olson
oncave and flat mirror optical system when I couldn't cope with the complex algebra in when the 'natural' coordinate system changed after each reflection, by resorting to 3D ray tracing.) Bruce Olson -- Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website (no advs-sp

Re: [abcusers] Modes and key signatures (Was: Hi)

2001-03-06 Thread Bruce Olson
t a convenience for minimizing the number of accidentals required for a scoring. If you don't reform ABC, on the K:spec, but just patch it with bandaids, I think your precious patient will die. And lets get it straight what are scoring modes and what are tune modes. Bruce Olson Old English, I

[abcusers] ABC player, stressed not coder, and tune plotter

2001-02-25 Thread Bruce Olson
now. I had troubles from the fact that the display in the compiled version is a bit different from that in the developmental working version, and found I'd lost some important printed text at the top left of the plot screen. Bruce Olson Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes

Re: [abcusers] gracenotes

2001-02-09 Thread Bruce Olson
John Chambers wrote: Bruce Olson writes: | | Grace notes are automatically slured to the following note in my | program, because you have to take the time for the graces notes from it, | and if you don't slur them the main note sounds staccato. Well, that's exactly why some people have

Re: [abcusers] gracenotes

2001-02-07 Thread Bruce Olson
ured to the following note in my program, because you have to take the time for the graces notes from it, and if you don't slur them the main note sounds staccato. It's fairly easy to put grace notes after the note from which they get their time duration, but such are so rare that it didn't seem to me t

Re: [abcusers] developers/user

2001-01-25 Thread Bruce Olson
e way it is" will be down on him like a ton of bricks. Until Chris Walshaw (or representative authorized by him) complains it will remain J: Bruce Olson Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website (no advs-spam, etc)- www.erols.com/olsonw or click below A

Re: [abcusers] developers/user

2001-01-25 Thread Bruce Olson
to 7 flats on the key signature with the mode as locrian.) I can score all Western style tunes (conventional ordering of sharps and flats) as locrian, which is fine with ABC, which only cares about the sharps or flats, but that will never give me a viable keynote. Bruce Olson Old English, Irish