Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-06 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
I have performed magic on stage in the past. There was of course always a mundane behind-the-scenes explanation of what appeared to happen, there was some effort needed to implement the tricks, some people to whom credit was due, etc. It's definitely magic. Laurie - Original Message - F

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-05 Thread John Chambers
Laurie writes: | JC's tune finder is magic. | | For instance I was at the last M27 Megabop which Rufus Returns played at. | They played one number I really liked but I was unable to learn it there and | then (no Mozart, I). I went to Chipenham Folk Festival last weekend and | someone played it in

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-05 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
JC's tune finder is magic. For instance I was at the last M27 Megabop which Rufus Returns played at. They played one number I really liked but I was unable to learn it there and then (no Mozart, I). I went to Chipenham Folk Festival last weekend and someone played it in the English Session in th

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-05 Thread Don Parrish-Bell
IMHO I think abc is an excellent, efficient means of "transporting" tunes. That seems like what you were all after in the beginning. And it is a refreshing change from the multi-megabyte, bloated files for other things in the "wintel" world! Phil Taylor wrote: > Ulf wrote: > > >My conclusion:

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-05 Thread Phil Taylor
Ulf wrote: >My conclusion: > >abc is good for people who (1) are very experienced in the use of a computer, >(2) who can do the necessary intellectual abstractions in their mind and type >in the tune at the same time (3) who use sheet music - both reading and >writing, and who write a lot of musi

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Ulf
> > When touch-typing abc you don't spend much time looking at the screen, > > so the equivalent is: > > > > *Look at the score, see that the next note is A and it's 1/8. > > *Hit the Shift and A keys without taking your eyes off the score. > > > > No competition. > > > > Of course if you are ente

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Atte Andre Jensen
On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Frank Nordberg wrote: > Atte Andre Jensen wrote: > > > > So installing finale on an UNIX/LINUX/MS/what-have-you server is no > > problem? > > No sane person would ever want to run Finale as a part of a web server > setup. See! I'm perfectly sane (so the voices tell me...) and

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Frank Nordberg
Atte Andre Jensen wrote: > > So installing finale on an UNIX/LINUX/MS/what-have-you server is no > problem? No sane person would ever want to run Finale as a part of a web server setup. I was referring to the Finale Viewer plug-in (and to the even more tacky Scorch plug-in Sibelius is trying to

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Atte Andre Jensen
On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Frank Nordberg wrote: > Hmmm, I feel a bit bad about spoiling the party, but: Oh, just as we were padding each other so gently on the back, you naughty you :-) > > * stuff like my songbook (server generated pdf's in 12 keys) are AFAIK not > > really possible using Finale > >

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread John Chambers
Frank Nordberg wrote: | John Chambers wrote: | > One of my favorite ways to test music software is to attempt to enter | > some of the better-known Balkan songs. For instance, Jovano, Jovanke, | > which wants a meter of 7/8 and a key signature of one sharp and two | > flats (^f_B_e). It's a si

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Frank Nordberg
Hmmm, I feel a bit bad about spoiling the party, but: Atte Andre Jensen wrote: > lots of god reasons for using abc, but one or two dubious ones too, I'm afraid: > * stuff like my songbook (server generated pdf's in 12 keys) are AFAIK not > really possible using Finale That appears not to be t

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Atte: "speed? I think I'm faster in abc than I used to be in encore, but I'm not sure..." Phil: "When using a graphical music editor to type music in from a score, this is what you spend most time doing: *Look at the score, see that the next note is A and it's 1/8. etc" OUCH! Get Muse! OK - I

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Atte Andre Jensen
On 4 Jun 2002, Laura Conrad wrote: > > "Atte" == Atte Andre Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Atte> So instead of: > > Atte> CDEF | GABc | c2G2 | c2C2 | c2c2 | > > Atte> you do: > > Atte> Cdef | gabc | c2g2 | c2c,2 | c'2c2 | > > Now a data entry mechanism that took your sec

AW: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Toni Schilling
Laura Conrad wrote > Atte> Or better (IMHO): an interface that works the way lily > Atte> works. That is the note is asumed to be the closed to the > Atte> previous one. > > I disagree -- that makes the notes too context dependant, so you can't > just cut and paste a snippet into an

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Laura Conrad
> "Atte" == Atte Andre Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Atte> On 4 Jun 2002, Laura Conrad wrote: Atte> >> In ABC, I think I'm faster when I'm typing in the octave that >> doesn't use the capital letters, and I'm certainly faster when I don't >> have to enter the commas

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Atte Andre Jensen
On 4 Jun 2002, Laura Conrad wrote: > In ABC, I think I'm faster when I'm typing in the octave that > doesn't use the capital letters, and I'm certainly faster when I don't > have to enter the commas or the apostrophes. > > So is anyone working on an ABC application that allows this? Or better (

AW: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Toni Schilling
Atte Andre Jensen wrote > *formatting is seperated from the music itself *anything else* is separated from the music information itself. I would say, this is the most important thing. All other resons are based on this one in some way. The information is now a kind of stream-format which open

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Jeff Bigler
> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:30:37 +0100 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Taylor) > > Atte wrote: > > >* speed? I think I'm faster in abc than I used to be in encore, but I'm > >not sure... > > When using a graphical music editor to type music in from a score, this > is what you spend most time do

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Laura Conrad
> "Phil" == Phil Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Phil> The only faster way to get music into a computer is to play it on Phil> a midi keyboard, and even then you are usually going to have to Phil> do a lot of post entry editing. The people I know who claim to be really fast in

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Atte Andre Jensen
On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Atte Andre Jensen wrote: > As you prob know I'm one extremely happy abc user. Yesterday I showed a > friend of mine my songbook, and he liked it, but had to ask "If abc is so > cool, how come I haven't heard of it?" Anyways I tried to give me a couple > of reasons to get into

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Phil Taylor
Atte wrote: >* speed? I think I'm faster in abc than I used to be in encore, but I'm >not sure... When using a graphical music editor to type music in from a score, this is what you spend most time doing: *Look at the score, see that the next note is A and it's 1/8. *Look back at the screen to

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread jr_davis
On Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:37:51 UTC John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Atte Andre Jensen wrote: | > * free | > * stuff like my songbook (server generated pdf's in 12 keys) are AFAIK not | > really possible using Finale | > * runs on any platform | > * small file size | >

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Steve Mansfield
> Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Atte Andre Jensen wrote: >> Others?? - volume of material available on the web - human-playable directly from the abc -- Steve Mansfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lesession.demon.co.uk - abc music notation tutorial, the uk.music.folk newsgroup FAQ, and other goodies

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread John Chambers
| Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Atte Andre Jensen wrote: | > * free | > * stuff like my songbook (server generated pdf's in 12 keys) are AFAIK not | > really possible using Finale | > * runs on any platform | > * small file size | > * works on my Palm (and I typed quite a few songs during public | > transport

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Guido Gonzato
Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Atte Andre Jensen wrote: > * free > * stuff like my songbook (server generated pdf's in 12 keys) are AFAIK not > really possible using Finale > * runs on any platform > * small file size > * works on my Palm (and I typed quite a few songs during public > transportation) > * spee

[abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Atte Andre Jensen
As you prob know I'm one extremely happy abc user. Yesterday I showed a friend of mine my songbook, and he liked it, but had to ask "If abc is so cool, how come I haven't heard of it?" Anyways I tried to give me a couple of reasons to get into abc, but I prob missed some good ones, so please make