Re: [Ace] [Secdispatch] FW: [secdir] EDHOC and Transports

2019-03-03 Thread John Mattsson
Richard Barnes ; wrote: >This is the part that worries me. It would be helpful to be very crisp >about what assumptions are being changed here, and why it's OK for them to >be changed. Especially given that the Bruni et al. paper seems to have >found flaws. As explained in Stanislav's CFRG

Re: [Ace] [Secdispatch] FW: [secdir] EDHOC and Transports

2019-02-20 Thread Göran Selander
Hi Valery, On 2019-02-19, 19:02, "Valery Smyslov" wrote: > When done over CoAP, the message would be sent with CONfirmable, so it > would be ACK'ed. I would make the first message CONfirmable too. > > That makes it much like IKEv2 is, where all messages are ACKed and the

Re: [Ace] [Secdispatch] FW: [secdir] EDHOC and Transports

2019-02-19 Thread Valery Smyslov
Hi Michael, > When done over CoAP, the message would be sent with CONfirmable, so it > would be ACK'ed. I would make the first message CONfirmable too. > > That makes it much like IKEv2 is, where all messages are ACKed and the > initiator is responsible for all retransmits. Sure, there must be

Re: [Ace] [Secdispatch] FW: [secdir] EDHOC and Transports

2019-02-19 Thread Michael Richardson
Valery Smyslov wrote: >> Current version of EDHOC is 3-pass to allow traffic data after one round trip, >> which reduces latency in many applications. >> A 4-pass version has also been discussed: >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ace/ZDHYEhvI0PenU6nGrhGlULIz0oQ >>

Re: [Ace] [Secdispatch] FW: [secdir] EDHOC and Transports

2019-02-19 Thread Valery Smyslov
Hi Göran, > Current version of EDHOC is 3-pass to allow traffic data after one round trip, > which reduces latency in many applications. > A 4-pass version has also been discussed: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ace/ZDHYEhvI0PenU6nGrhGlULIz0oQ > > When EDHOC is used as key exchange for

Re: [Ace] [Secdispatch] FW: [secdir] EDHOC and Transports

2019-02-18 Thread Göran Selander
Hi Valery, On 2019-02-18, 08:07, "Valery Smyslov" wrote: Hi, > Richard Barnes wrote: > > Finally, to be totally honest, I find the EDHOC spec pretty inscrutable. A > > little more prose to explain what's going on would go a long way toward > > helping

Re: [Ace] [Secdispatch] FW: [secdir] EDHOC and Transports

2019-02-18 Thread Göran Selander
Hi Michael, On 2019-02-18, 02:35, "Ace on behalf of Michael Richardson" wrote: Richard Barnes wrote: > Finally, to be totally honest, I find the EDHOC spec pretty inscrutable. A > little more prose to explain what's going on would go a long way toward > helping

Re: [Ace] [Secdispatch] FW: [secdir] EDHOC and Transports

2019-02-18 Thread Göran Selander
Hi Richard, From: Richard Barnes Date: Friday, 15 February 2019 at 17:19 To: Göran Selander Cc: "secdispa...@ietf.org" , "ace@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Secdispatch] FW: [secdir] EDHOC and Transports On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 7:13 AM Göran Selander mailto:goran.selan...@ericsson.com>> wrote: Hi

Re: [Ace] [Secdispatch] FW: [secdir] EDHOC and Transports

2019-02-17 Thread Michael Richardson
Richard Barnes wrote: > Finally, to be totally honest, I find the EDHOC spec pretty inscrutable. A > little more prose to explain what's going on would go a long way toward > helping this discussion be productive. Sure. Find a WG to adopt it, and we can make the text beautiful. The

Re: [Ace] [Secdispatch] FW: [secdir] EDHOC and Transports

2019-02-15 Thread Göran Selander
Hi Richard, Thanks, that is a fair question to ask on behalf of those who are new to the subject. The short answer is: Yes, we have counted every byte of the TLS handshake and, no, we don’t think it is possible to support the same radio technologies as EDHOC do, unless you change some

Re: [Ace] [Secdispatch] FW: [secdir] EDHOC and Transports

2019-02-14 Thread Richard Barnes
Göran: When these metrics talk about DTLS 1.3, do they mean that protocol directly, unmodified? One alternative approach people have had in mind is the idea of re-encoding / profiling down DTLS so that although it is syntactically different and maybe has fewer options, it encodes the same

Re: [Ace] [Secdispatch] FW: [secdir] EDHOC and Transports

2019-02-14 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
Hi Göran, I will obviously not be able to convince you to change your research strategy. So, I will not even try. Anyway, thanks for the performance measurements your co-workers created in the Excel sheets. I will take a closer look at them. One item worthwhile to respond is the choice of the

Re: [Ace] [Secdispatch] FW: [secdir] EDHOC and Transports

2019-02-04 Thread Göran Selander
Hi Hannes, secdispatch, and ace, (It seems Hannes original mail only went to secdispatch.) Apologies for a long mail, and late response. I had to ask some people for help with calculations, see end of this mail. On 2019-01-25, 15:15, "Secdispatch on behalf of Hannes Tschofenig" wrote: