Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Trey Scarborough
true also bad optics will get different power readings so this in any scale would be a must. The other issue with these would be the copper port would have to be 1g full duplex or it wont come up. so if someone who insists on keeping their rb45g plgs in to it with 100m it won't work. to me so

Re: [AFMUG] Hulu IP blacklist

2018-10-08 Thread Ken Hohhof
I had 2 calls about Hulu that were resolved by a new dynamic pool address. But tonight I had one that involved the Illinois State Lottery. Some support guy in India told the customer "proxy server" meant his Internet signal was too weak so they couldn't tell if he was in Illinois! Either Hulu

Re: [AFMUG] Solar system rough cost

2018-10-08 Thread Josh Luthman
Same here. 50% to 66% if memory serves. Very substantial difference. Weird being as they're both the same 7240 chipset... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 9:07 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > Actually, my experi

Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Adam Moffett
I just noticed the knockouts on it are for a round cable.  I wonder if you are supposed to splice into a round cable at the house, or if you're supposed to commit to round drop cable. On 10/8/2018 3:38 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Cheap indeed.  Too bad they don’t offer the RB in the same form fac

Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Jason McKemie
True, most of the benefit is statistics on the copper interfaces. I have had a drop fiber get kinked and make for asymmetric power readings though. On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 2:34 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > If it's BiDi, the Rx signal on one end shouldn't be too different from the > Rx signal on the

Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Chuck McCown
Cheap indeed. Too bad they don’t offer the RB in the same form factor. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 1:33 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap By the way Chuck, Mikrotik makes an outdoor, PoE powered media converter. Not sure if you've seen

Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Adam Moffett
By the way Chuck, Mikrotik makes an outdoor, PoE powered media converter.  Not sure if you've seen it: https://mikrotik.com/product/RBFTC11 I have not used it.  I believe it's unmanaged.  It's certainly cheap enough. On 10/8/2018 3:02 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Pretty nice.  What is the price? W

Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Adam Moffett
If it's BiDi, the Rx signal on one end shouldn't be too different from the Rx signal on the other end. I would miss having error counters on the copper interface that the customer plugs in to.  If that interface was faulty and you couldn't see it then you'd sit there looking at your switch int

Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Jason McKemie
I like error counters and Rx signal strength at the customer side, those have helped more than once with troubleshooting issues. On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:42 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > Do you allow the customer access to the user interface? > > *From:* Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Monday, October 08, 20

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Adam Moffett
I can attest that it does. On 10/8/2018 2:56 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I wonder if the RB260GS can use the cheap $9 SFP from FS? *From:* Chuck McCown *Sent:* Monday, October 08, 2018 12:53 PM *To:* Chuck McCown *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap And once I did that we are pretty much up

Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Chuck McCown
Pretty nice. What is the price? What will it talk to on the other end? Sure could come in handy where you want to mix pon and AE. From: Gino A. Villarini Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 12:54 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap Any comments on

Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Adam Moffett
I was about to say VLAN's, but if the CPE is an unmanaged media converter then I suppose I don't need a management VLAN, and I can tag customer traffic at the switch. I might be stuck in a "wireless mode" of thinking, wherein it's very useful to have data from the customer side of the connecti

Re: [AFMUG] A Good Cause

2018-10-08 Thread Jay Weekley
Holy cow! Is there a way to make a donation instead of bidding? That is assuming the winner is the only one that actually pays money. Chuck McCown wrote: https://www.32auctions.com/wispapalooza2018?v=3_9 -- *Jay Weekley* *Cyber Broadband * -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug

[AFMUG] Fw: Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Chuck McCown
I wonder if the RB260GS can use the cheap $9 SFP from FS? From: Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 12:53 PM To: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap And once I did that we are pretty much up to the level of the RB260GS. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, October 08,

[AFMUG] Fw: Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Chuck McCown
And once I did that we are pretty much up to the level of the RB260GS. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 12:52 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap No it doesn’t. I was going to add that. From: TJ Trout Sent: Monday, October 08

Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Any comments on this? 10G OLT SFP+ for Ethernet SFP cages: http://tibitcom.com/wp-content/assets/Tibit-Universal-OLT-SFP-Product-Brief-v1.0.pdf From: AF on behalf of Adam Moffett Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Date: Monday, October 8, 2018 at 2:50 PM To: "af@af.afmug.com" Sub

Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Chuck McCown
No it doesn’t. I was going to add that. From: TJ Trout Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 12:46 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap Does that one have poe? doesn't look like it On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:45 AM Chuck McCown wrote: If it is up and

Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Adam Moffett
Sometimes I've had an ethernet connection be "up" but not pass any traffic.  I feel better if there's something I can ping at layer3 on the other end. If I'm being fair, I'd say that condition isn't super common, and when it happens you can fix it by resetting either end.  As long as the cust

Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread TJ Trout
Does that one have poe? doesn't look like it On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:45 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > If it is up and nothing more than a bridge, you should be able to do > everything you want to do from the NOC I would think? Am I naive? > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Monday, October 08, 2018

Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Chuck McCown
If it is up and nothing more than a bridge, you should be able to do everything you want to do from the NOC I would think? Am I naive? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 12:39 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap I have a bias against unmanaged devi

Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Chuck McCown
Do you allow the customer access to the user interface? From: Jason McKemie Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 12:04 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap I use the RB260GS units, seem to work fine and they provide troubleshooting capabilities at the cu

Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Adam Moffett
I have a bias against unmanaged devices.  I want to be able to prove there's connectivity all the way to the customer prem without having anyone physically there.  For $60-100 you can have a router or a managed switch. With ethernet is it sufficient to have an "up" on the switch interface? I

Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Chuck McCown
Troubleshooting capabilities, like logging into the router and looking at the arp table, or which interfaces are up or ? Can they be set to do traffic limiting? I do like their temp ranges and the fact they can be POE powered from inside the house. From: Jason McKemie Sent: Monday, October 0

[AFMUG] A Good Cause

2018-10-08 Thread Chuck McCown
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Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Jason McKemie
I use the RB260GS units, seem to work fine and they provide troubleshooting capabilities at the customer end. Dumb media converters would be a non-starter for me. On Monday, October 8, 2018, Chuck McCown wrote: > https://www.fs.com/products/35333.html > > It has storage specs to –20C. Not sure

[AFMUG] Active E on the cheap

2018-10-08 Thread Chuck McCown
https://www.fs.com/products/35333.html It has storage specs to –20C. Not sure why operating temps are 0C on the lower end. But if it is inside an enclosure it will self heat. $23 plus the $9 SFP. https://www.fs.com/products/37922.html $32 plus enclosure. Pretty low cost per customer doing

Re: [AFMUG] WISPAPALOOZA and SFPs

2018-10-08 Thread Steve Jones
their modules work well too. have had zero issue with them, not that i have a ton, but theyre a good generic module On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 4:09 PM Cassidy B. Larson wrote: > SAF does well on providing SFP interfaces on their newer backhauls. > > > > On Oct 6, 2018, at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett wrot

Re: [AFMUG] OT - autotune

2018-10-08 Thread Chuck McCown
Romex works very well. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 10:21 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - autotune Remember also that you need special, very expensive speaker cables. People describe the sound of different cables like they are describin

Re: [AFMUG] OT - autotune

2018-10-08 Thread Ken Hohhof
Remember also that you need special, very expensive speaker cables. People describe the sound of different cables like they are describing a fine wine. Make sure you get oxygen free copper! http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#thetruth From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sen

Re: [AFMUG] OT - autotune

2018-10-08 Thread Chuck McCown
G.722 is just as good as 711 but I think there are some licensing entanglements that prevent most folks from using it. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2018 7:01 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - autotune When the other party of your call is on a cell phone then it m

Re: [AFMUG] Solar system rough cost

2018-10-08 Thread Dave
I was gonna say... EPMP rocks on the power side. +1 On 10/06/2018 08:07 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Actually, my experience has been that ePMP generally uses a bit less power than UBNT... On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 2:36 PM Timothy Steele mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote: Runs at 70 wat