Re: [AFMUG] Eats

2020-05-09 Thread Steve Jones
Jaime taking a recipe is similar to jesus taking advice on christianity On Sat, May 9, 2020, 11:44 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Stealing it > > On Sat, May 9, 2020, 7:22 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> Forgot the food >> >> On Sat, May 9, 2020, 8:04 PM Steve Jones >> wrote: >> >>> Stuffed bacon

Re: [AFMUG] Eats

2020-05-09 Thread Jaime Solorza
Stealing it On Sat, May 9, 2020, 7:22 PM Steve Jones wrote: > Forgot the food > > On Sat, May 9, 2020, 8:04 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> Stuffed bacon wrapped mushrooms and grilled pork loin. >> I dont like barbeque sauce on meat but recently discovered if you do 2 >> parts vinegar and 1 part

Re: [AFMUG] Eats

2020-05-09 Thread David Coudron
Imma gonna need to try those. Get Outlook for iOS From: AF on behalf of Steve Jones Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:21:25 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Eats Forgot the food On Sat, May 9, 2020, 8:04 PM

[AFMUG] Eats

2020-05-09 Thread Steve Jones
Stuffed bacon wrapped mushrooms and grilled pork loin. I dont like barbeque sauce on meat but recently discovered if you do 2 parts vinegar and 1 part sweet baby Ray's you get a thin film of heaven. This is my leftovers cause there was no way I was gonna stop eating those mushrooms long enough to

Re: [AFMUG] OT Philosopy of Tussis

2020-05-09 Thread Bill Prince
Chuck Norris said something close to that in "Invasion USA" "Hit You With So Many Rights You'll Beg For A Left" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pzpf4MLGv4 bp On 5/9/2020 4:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I have

Re: [AFMUG] OT Philosopy of Tussis

2020-05-09 Thread Steve Jones
It was me. I said it to Archie On Sat, May 9, 2020, 6:59 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I have this recollection of a comic or movie character who would say “I’ll > give you your rights … and your lefts!” or something like that. I was > thinking maybe Dick Tracy. But the Google can’t find it, so I

Re: [AFMUG] OT Philosopy of Tussis

2020-05-09 Thread Ken Hohhof
I have this recollection of a comic or movie character who would say “I’ll give you your rights … and your lefts!” or something like that. I was thinking maybe Dick Tracy. But the Google can’t find it, so I must be mistaken. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Saturday, May 9,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Philosopy of Tussis

2020-05-09 Thread chuck
So you can cough at me from 6 feet away I guess. From: Robert Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 5:17 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Philosopy of Tussis I remember someone talking about the right to swing your arms around all you want just until it strikes my nose, then your

Re: [AFMUG] OT Philosopy of Tussis

2020-05-09 Thread Robert
I remember someone talking about the right to swing your arms around all you want just until it strikes my nose, then your "rights" have abridged mine.  ( Or your rights get the response from my left )...   That was what prompted my question, actually... On 5/9/20 11:30 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread Chuck Macenski
oops :) On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:57 PM Cassidy B. Larson wrote: > Yeah we get those ourselves. Chuck was asking where the $1500 all-in kit > was. The $1500 link I posted is only one side of the link, from what I read > plus one would need another duplexer for each side. > > Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
Yeah we get those ourselves. Chuck was asking where the $1500 all-in kit was. The $1500 link I posted is only one side of the link, from what I read plus one would need another duplexer for each side. Sent from my iPhone > On May 9, 2020, at 15:27, Chuck Macenski wrote: > >  > Cassidy: No,

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread Chuck Macenski
Cassidy: No, you can buy the stand-alone radio (unless I am missing something) https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airfiber/products/af-11 On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:13 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Somebody’s got to pay the salaries of the people who unbox the kits, break > them up into

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread Ken Hohhof
Somebody’s got to pay the salaries of the people who unbox the kits, break them up into individual radios, and throw the antennas in the dumpster. Ordinarily you would pay an eBay seller to do this. Maybe it’s like the “chicken tax” and Ford pulling the back seats out of new Transit Connect

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
You still gotta buy two “dish+radio kits”, one for each side: https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airfiber/products/af11-complete-hb And a second duplexer per side. > On May 9, 2020, at 2:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > $999 for a single radio, where a kit is $1500 for two radios

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread Chuck Macenski
I just do the technical stuff. On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 3:59 PM wrote: > $999 for a single radio, where a kit is $1500 for two radios and all the > trimmings? > > *From:* Chuck Macenski > *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:44 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] af11x

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread Steve Jones
Liz is smoking hot, but since she doesnt actually come to your house for a coordination, I use commsearch. On Sat, May 9, 2020, 8:51 AM wrote: > So is Liz still the best value for freq coordination and license prep? > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:34 AM > *To:*

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread Chuck Macenski
In stock: https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airfiber/products/af-11 On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 12:10 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > Well, right, that's true, and another thing that you need to consider is > that something like an Aviat will run at higher TX power, and probably has > better

Re: [AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN

2020-05-09 Thread Steve Jones
This sounds like a WISP that needs to be educated on what they are doing. Somebody at that company really should do the certification, contracted CPI input just begs for a disaster years down the road. I cant see any CPI giving up their credentials to a non employer for SAS management. I know I

Re: [AFMUG] OT Philosopy of Tussis

2020-05-09 Thread Steve Jones
What if you want to be pissed on? Should you not have the right to do that since others dont want to be pissed on? People are into weird shit these days. You know somewhere, there is a group of people who went out and got infected because they get off on this. Now they're mad because they cant

Re: [AFMUG] SJEOOW cord

2020-05-09 Thread Ken Hohhof
Sorry, that was wrong, apparently OO means outdoor wire and jacket. Maybe I don’t need both O’s and it should be SJOW or SJEOW. From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:39 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SJEOOW cord I think “outdoor”

Re: [AFMUG] SJEOOW cord

2020-05-09 Thread Ken Hohhof
I think “outdoor” and “oil resistant”? From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:36 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SJEOOW cord What’s the extra O for? For some reason, I always thought rubber was better. ?? From: Jason

Re: [AFMUG] SJEOOW cord

2020-05-09 Thread chuck
What’s the extra O for? For some reason, I always thought rubber was better. ?? From: Jason Wilson Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 1:24 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SJEOOW cord PDF with all of the information

Re: [AFMUG] SJEOOW cord

2020-05-09 Thread Jason Wilson
PDF with all of the information http://www.chem.cmu.edu/groups/bier/procedure_files/general/powercords.pdf Thermoplastic vs rubber jacket On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 11:52 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Has anyone used SJEOOW instead of SJOOW for running DC power up towers? > > > > It looks like it is

Re: [AFMUG] OT Philosopy of Tussis

2020-05-09 Thread chuck
Well, I don’t wanna touch your tussis. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 12:47 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Philosopy of Tussis You got me. I figured Tussis was a famous ancient philosopher. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent:

[AFMUG] SJEOOW cord

2020-05-09 Thread Ken Hohhof
Has anyone used SJEOOW instead of SJOOW for running DC power up towers? It looks like it is more waterproof and has a wider temperature range, but doesn't cost that much more. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Philosopy of Tussis

2020-05-09 Thread Ken Hohhof
You got me. I figured Tussis was a famous ancient philosopher. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 1:30 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] OT Philosopy of Tussis Do we have a right not to be infected by others? Do we have a right not

[AFMUG] OT Philosopy of Tussis

2020-05-09 Thread chuck
Do we have a right not to be infected by others? Do we have a right not to be coughed on or sneezed on or breathed on? Do we have a right not to be pissed on or have someone smear their blood/feces/snot on us? If we have these rights, then that means other people must do something to preserve

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-09 Thread Steve Jones
Lol, yeah, 6monrh, then 6 months, then 6 months. Get real. Its over On Sat, May 9, 2020, 11:47 AM Robert Andrews wrote: > And probably way less knowledge of how to treat sick people than we will > know in 6 months. It's a teeter-totter... > > On 05/09/2020 09:32 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > >

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-09 Thread Steve Jones
In illinois its aggravated battery right now to sneeze on someone willfully On Sat, May 9, 2020, 11:46 AM Robert Andrews wrote: > I know some people feel I am rather polarized on this. But after > seeing statements about people are going to be militant about not > wearing masks ( local

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread Mathew Howard
Well, right, that's true, and another thing that you need to consider is that something like an Aviat will run at higher TX power, and probably has better receive sensitivity, meaning you might be able to use smaller dishes for similar performance in some circumstances. Using 2 foots is doable on

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-09 Thread Robert Andrews
And probably way less knowledge of how to treat sick people than we will know in 6 months. It's a teeter-totter... On 05/09/2020 09:32 AM, Steve Jones wrote: That's why right now is the best time to get it. We have the highest availability of healthcare resources in my entire lifetime. On

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-09 Thread Robert Andrews
I know some people feel I am rather polarized on this. But after seeing statements about people are going to be militant about not wearing masks ( local neighborhood postings specially ) I wonder, with the local government requirements to wear a mask in public, if someone sneezes near me or

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread Mike Hammett
I didn't mean to imply it would be the same price, but it's a different value that needs to be considered. If you need larger or higher quality dishes, they very well could represent more cost than the electronics in either scenario. Ever price out 4' or 6' high performance dishes? It's

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-09 Thread Steve Jones
That's why right now is the best time to get it. We have the highest availability of healthcare resources in my entire lifetime. On Sat, May 9, 2020, 10:07 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > Most of us will need to get it (or vaccines) to stop it's reach from > getting to everyone. > > > > - > Mike

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-09 Thread Mathew Howard
That kind of thing makes sense to do, especially if you have people that are at high risk. I don't want people within 6 feet of me when they don't need to be anyway, so I'm good with that, and working from home when I can means I can sleep until my phone starts ringing... But a lot of the stuff I

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread Mathew Howard
Well, in theory, the AF11 will be available without the dishes again at some point... I think an Aviat single transceiver link came out to about $6k for the hardware, with 2' dishes when I priced it, so that's nearly double the price of the AF11. If we say $1k of that is in the dishes (I don't

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread chuck
No sir, not my radio, don’t know how it got on that tower... How about: the company that put it up there went out of business. I wonder how they do fine an entity or person if they cannot prove who the owner is? From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:18 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread Ken Hohhof
FCC fine would wipe out the cost savings many times over. Plus your picture on the wanted posters at every post office. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 10:02 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] af11x Man I wish I had saved a

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-09 Thread Mike Hammett
Most of us will need to get it (or vaccines) to stop it's reach from getting to everyone. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread chuck
Man I wish I had saved a few antennas from the years I was making them. I can still build the waveguide adapters. That is easy for me. I wonder what the chance of getting caught running unlicensed is... Anyone have any used gear they want to sell me? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-09 Thread Ken Hohhof
Here is our new field tech wearing company issued PPE. He is also reputed to be immortal. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:35 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability I have not had nearly enough time with my

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-09 Thread Steve Jones
That's why right now is the best time to get it. Matt and the talking heads keep saying that we all will eventually get this, and they wouldn't lie. So right now when the hospitals are empty and 60 percent of healthcare staff is laid off is the ideal time to get it. Get it in the fall when it

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread Mike Hammett
How much more is it, though, for better radios if you need the better dishes, yet have to buy the Ubiquiti dishes anyway? AF11 kit with dishes (that you'll just throw away) N to waveguide adapters Good dish vs. Better radio Good dish - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-09 Thread chuck
Irrespective of how anyone actually feels, it never hurts to show your employees that you care about them. Even if it is disingenuous. From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:35 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability I have not had nearly

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-09 Thread chuck
I have not had nearly enough time with my grandkids yet. So, trying to optimize the chance of more time with grandkids. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:18 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability Maybe. At this point, I couldn't care

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread Mathew Howard
I used Comsearch for the last few we did... the price wasn't much different at the time, but I have no idea if that's still the case. Ken is right about the performance... you basically get he same throughput out of dual pol that higher end radios get on single pol. It only really matters if the

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-09 Thread Lewis Bergman
Maybe. At this point, I couldn't care less. Get it, don't get it. I don't care anymore. On Sat, May 9, 2020, 9:07 AM wrote: > I modified all the doors I could so you don’t have to use a hand to open > them. > Put an auto flush valve on the urinal. > We asked all the guys to try to do the 6 foot

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-09 Thread Steve Jones
I've been working from home. But that's because I cut everyone at the shop open to take a gander at their lungs, I didnt see any coronas in there, no bud light, no tecate, nothing. But they all started to stink, so I'm remote now. On Sat, May 9, 2020, 9:07 AM wrote: > I modified all the doors I

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-09 Thread chuck
I modified all the doors I could so you don’t have to use a hand to open them. Put an auto flush valve on the urinal. We asked all the guys to try to do the 6 foot thing. Logging temps with an IR thermometer each morning and posting them on a white board is surprisingly reassuring in a way.

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-09 Thread Lewis Bergman
We changed nothing. No distancing, no work from home, no masks, no gloves. The only thing we are sick of is all the talk of covid. Workers comp covers this kind of thing and your ERA is based on the total experience of like industries which presumably would experience similar sickness rates.

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread chuck
So is Liz still the best value for freq coordination and license prep? From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:34 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] af11x I don’t have any AF11X and may be remembering wrong, but I think you basically have to coordinate dual

Re: [AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN

2020-05-09 Thread Ken Hohhof
They do know that a CPI doesn’t necessarily do installation despite the title, right? From: AF On Behalf Of Timothy Steele Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:53 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN have a WISP asking me for a CPI Certified

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread Ken Hohhof
I don’t have any AF11X and may be remembering wrong, but I think you basically have to coordinate dual pol, for single pol performance. So if you’re in a congested area, it might be marginally more difficult to coordinate because you won’t have the option of using single pol if only V or H is

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-09 Thread Chuck McCown
Thanks. Sent from my iPhone > On May 8, 2020, at 11:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > >  > The kit is available with high band duplexers. > > But yeah, last I checked, the AF11 is still only in stock anywhere in kit > form, so it makes sense to just go with the Ubiquiti dishes (which should be