Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-31 Thread Matt Hoppes
Cheaters gunna cheat cheat cheat cheat. I think we need to make it easier for small companies and hold criminal those who do cheat. Did Limitless have to pay the 35 mil back? I don’t think so. And they are bankrupt anyway. But they continue operating a world wide network after stiffing the

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread Jason McKemie
It seems like there wouldn't be a good way to guarantee that the funds couldn't be used for whatever they want. If they're getting "free" money to build out their network, then the funds that they previously would have used for that purpose can now be used for said Ferrari, etc. IMO there are

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread Adam Moffett
I'm betting CEO bonuses weren't an eligible expense for CAF, but I couldn't say for sure. Even if these scenarios went exactly as described, I'm not entirely sure what the logical conclusion we're supposed to draw is.  Is it "Frontier used public funds inappropriately, therefore we should not

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread Matt Hoppes
Frontier - took CAF funding. CEO took huge payouts CEO buys Ferrari Frontier - Declares bankruptcy Limitless Mobile - gets 35 million Builds multi county “rural” broadband network in the most populated areas of the counties. Promptly declares bankruptcy > On Jan 30, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Adam

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread Dev
From FCC announcement Re: RDOF: The first phase of the Rural Digital Opportunity Fund will begin later this year and target census blocks that are wholly unserved with fixed broadband at speeds of at least 25/3 Mbps. This phase would make available up to $16 billion to census blocks where

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread Adam Moffett
A clever enough cheater will always find a way to cheat, but you can't make it too easy. For NY BPO "Connect NY" there was physical verification that each piece of equipment you bought actually existed somewhere.whether in the field or in storage.  The auditor seemed satisfied with a list

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread Matt Hoppes
Except that there IS auditing now... and we DO end up with this exact scenario happening currently. It's not stopping it. On 1/30/20 4:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: I'd rather not stress over audits, but auditing is a necessary evil IMO.  If there were no auditing then there's someone, somewhere

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread Adam Moffett
d cell C.O. batts and they sat and rotted away in the desert.  He never did use the batts. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:37 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Dev Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders? Here's my dream "funding

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread Matt Hoppes
, January 30, 2020 10:37 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Dev Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders? Here's my dream "funding process". I've seen too much money used for things that didn't end up being the projected end-goal. Company must have been in existence for 5 years.  Co

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread chuck
never did use the batts. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:37 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Dev Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders? Here's my dream "funding process". I've seen too much money used for things that did

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread Matt Hoppes
Here's my dream "funding process". I've seen too much money used for things that didn't end up being the projected end-goal. Company must have been in existence for 5 years. Company must show competency and growth organically. Company must show business plan that will work (no fluff.. an

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread Dev
I think it’s a confusing landscape to navigate and small operators sort of give up because: 1. We can’t afford to dedicate an employee to checking all the boxes and doing all the steps year round to MAYBE get funded. 2. Regulations favor larger carriers with more wherewithal, which is the same

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread chuck
. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 9:56 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders? Verizon did most of the CAF stuff around here. I don't usually think of them as a "rural" LEC. But I suppose with dozens of corporate enti

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread Adam Moffett
ecifically non price cap LEC or RLEC. Even better if they are a non ACAM RLEC. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 9:37 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders? So basically CAF bidder == LEC? On 1/30/2020 11:25 AM, ch...

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread chuck
Yes, more specifically non price cap LEC or RLEC. Even better if they are a non ACAM RLEC. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 9:37 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders? So basically CAF bidder == LEC? On 1/30/2020 11

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread Adam Moffett
on the investment. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 8:41 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Dev Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders? Maybe it's because the low hanging fruit has been taken and the rest doesn't work? I just finished a proposal

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread chuck
, 2020 8:41 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Dev Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders? Maybe it's because the low hanging fruit has been taken and the rest doesn't work? I just finished a proposal for fiber to the home for two rural communities here in Pennsylvania. I knew it would

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread Matt Hoppes
There is also that we looked several times and decided there was way too much red tape and string for us to bother with it. On 1/29/20 1:38 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: We had an opportunity to bid on CAF via the New York State BPO in 2018. Nobody involved like the strings attached.  At this

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread Matt Hoppes
Maybe it's because the low hanging fruit has been taken and the rest doesn't work? I just finished a proposal for fiber to the home for two rural communities here in Pennsylvania. I knew it would cost money and grants would be needed, but what I didn't realize until after I finished the

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-29 Thread chuck
Most of those are achievable by a small wisp. But CLEC status is not so easy. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 3:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders? CAF-II bidding is long since over

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-29 Thread Mark Radabaugh
CAF-II bidding is long since over, and RDOF isn’t out yet. The rules for both programs, while available to WISP’s have significant hurdles that keep smaller entities from bidding on them - audited financials, letters of credit, PE sign off, telephone service offerings, CLEC status, etc.

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-29 Thread Adam Moffett
We had an opportunity to bid on CAF via the New York State BPO in 2018.  Nobody involved like the strings attached.  At this point I can't remember what the "strings" were, just that they sounded like a nuisance. Perhaps the bigger issue was that the public contributions seemed to be

[AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-29 Thread Dev
Got a question from an elected official type about why bids have been slow to come in for CAF-II, and also looking at RDOF and the satellite "lock up”. I’m sure there are some opinions here, any you wish to relate? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com