Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-08 Thread Peter Kranz via AF
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul I'd suspect that for same number of streams, same channel size, and same modulation, nearly every licensed backhaul will be about the same (except for Ubiquiti and Mimosa). - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-05 Thread Mike Hammett
WISP - Original Message - From: "Sean Heskett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 9:40:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul So aviat and integraX = same speed (~1.4gbps) in 80mhz channel pair? On Wed, Mar

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-04 Thread Mathew Howard
You're going to get pretty similar throughput from any new licensed radio. It's mostly just a question of what the max modulation is that the radio supports, and if it has the signal budget to achieve it on any given link (which is where there can be a big difference between different radios - some

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-04 Thread Sean Heskett
So aviat and integraX = same speed (~1.4gbps) in 80mhz channel pair? On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 8:05 PM Steve Jones wrote: > It's like 10x faster in microsoft edge than in chrome, same with aviat > store. > You get 1.4 GB on 80 mhz. Comparable to the integra x. The latency is a > magnitude higher, a

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-04 Thread Josh Baird
Yes. Unless there is a beta software that I am not aware of. This is a real limitation/issue right now. On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 8:41 PM Cassidy B. Larson wrote: > Does it still have SNMP issues? > > On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Josh Baird wrote: > > The UI is very easy and functional. The netwo

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread Steve Jones
I did that in the beginning, I like that about them. But not a var, hence the liability on me On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 11:35 PM Darin Steffl wrote: > You can always double check your order with Ken before placing it. I did > that and asked many questions to be sure I was ordering the right stuff. >

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread Darin Steffl
You can always double check your order with Ken before placing it. I did that and asked many questions to be sure I was ordering the right stuff. I consider Ken to be the VAR for aviat being he works for them. He's very responsive and helpful. On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 10:16 PM Steve Jones wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread Steve Jones
Im.not complaining, I prefer the store, but if you're accustomed to var doing all that stuff there is a curve, especially if theres an issue with a path. I call a var, I say I need a link from x coordinate to y coordinate, router port to router port. I get back a quote. I approve the quote. I wait

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread TJ Trout
we just email Liz @ intelipath about where we need a link, she tells us what's available, I can login and order a link on the aviat store in ten minutes, I find the self service refreshing and the parts lists are very easy to understand, they will display all of the matching antennas and relevant a

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread Steve Jones
A word of advice on the feature licensing is not to use the demo key. I turned it on and forgot to apply my actual keys, that's a fun suprise in the middle of a day On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 8:52 PM TJ Trout wrote: > I think aviat is xpic king, but bridgewave may be able to do active two > channel x

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread Steve Jones
It's like 10x faster in microsoft edge than in chrome, same with aviat store. You get 1.4 GB on 80 mhz. Comparable to the integra x. The latency is a magnitude higher, about half a millisecond, almost negligible. The interface is much more intuitive and user friendly than SAF, that's not a SAF bash

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread TJ Trout
I think aviat is xpic king, but bridgewave may be able to do active two channel xpic On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:47 PM wrote: > SIAE has that capability with our ALFOPlus2XG radios. Change the branching > unit from an OMT to a hybrid, and this radio can do ACCP,, i.e. 2xV or 2xH. > > We also have m

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread Joseph.Schraml
SIAE has that capability with our ALFOPlus2XG radios. Change the branching unit from an OMT to a hybrid, and this radio can do ACCP,, i.e. 2xV or 2xH. We also have many customers using these radios in a 4+0 configuration which yields almost 3 Gbps in two XPIC (2xV + 2xH) channels. Not sure

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
Does it still have SNMP issues? > On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Josh Baird wrote: > > The UI is very easy and functional. The networking config is dead simple. A > bit slow, but it's being fixed in a new firmware. > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 7:01 PM Sean Heskett > wro

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread Josh Baird
The UI is very easy and functional. The networking config is dead simple. A bit slow, but it's being fixed in a new firmware. On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 7:01 PM Sean Heskett wrote: > what is the user interface for aviat like? i assume useable and easy > since a lot of you like them. we are used t

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread Jason McKemie
Yes, that threw me off for a while. On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, TJ Trout wrote: > Ahh they can do two channel xpic with bridgewater? > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 2:00 PM TJ Trout wrote: > >> I thought Aviat was the bits/hertz king? >> >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 PM Mathew Howard wrote: >> >>> I'

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread Sean Heskett
what is the user interface for aviat like? i assume useable and easy since a lot of you like them. we are used to SAF which has been rock solid. what speeds are the radios pushing in an 80Mhz channel pair? *Sean Heskett* *ZIRKEL * *Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV* 970-871-8500 x100 - Office Websi

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread Steve Jones
most of our aviat is xpic, no real issues to note. price is sketchy cheap, i sometimes think that we arent actually buying from aviat and that ken rupple just keeps stealing stuff off their trucks and selling it to us. I dont care, best set of speakers i ever had came of the back of a truck. We hav

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread Tim Hardy
Whatever you end up with, make sure to pay attention to system gain. It is absolutely critical for modulations above 512 QAM.. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:19 PM, Darin Steffl wrote: > >  > Aviat > > Our link is solid > >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:02 PM TJ Trout wrote: >> Ahh t

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread Darin Steffl
Aviat Our link is solid On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:02 PM TJ Trout wrote: > Ahh they can do two channel xpic with bridgewater? > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 2:00 PM TJ Trout wrote: > >> I thought Aviat was the bits/hertz king? >> >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 PM Mathew Howard wrote: >> >>> I'd agree w

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread TJ Trout
Ahh they can do two channel xpic with bridgewater? On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 2:00 PM TJ Trout wrote: > I thought Aviat was the bits/hertz king? > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > >> I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available, it's hard >> to beat Aviat. >> >>

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread TJ Trout
I thought Aviat was the bits/hertz king? On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available, it's hard > to beat Aviat. > > But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to double > the capacity with the Bridgewaves

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread Mathew Howard
I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available, it's hard to beat Aviat. But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to double the capacity with the Bridgewaves. If I remember correctly, SIAE can do the same thing, but it'll cost quite a bit more. On Wed, Mar 3,

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread Jason McKemie
I'll follow that up by saying that if you only have one 80MHz xpic channel available then I'd go with Aviat. I've got my first link from them going up soon. On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Jason McKemie wrote: > If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can come close > to Bridgew

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread Jason McKemie
If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can come close to Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying multiple radios. On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Sean Heskett wrote: > Hello, > > What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio everyone is > in love with

[AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

2021-03-03 Thread Sean Heskett
Hello, What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio everyone is in love with? asking for a friend ;-) *Sean Heskett* *ZIRKEL * *Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV* 970-871-8500 x100 - Office Website | Facebook -- AF mailing l