Re: [AFMUG] strange outage

2021-06-18 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Then just VLAN every AP back to your router. This presumes your switches can handle VLANS. You cannot have APs able to talk to each other through switches at towers or this will happen again. From: Jan-GAMs Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 9:31 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG

Re: [AFMUG] strange outage

2021-06-18 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Yes, learned all the same lessons. 18 years ago. Managed switches or routers at every tower. Every single AP on its own VLAN or router port. From: Sam Lambie Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 9:16 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] strange outage We had a flat network

Re: [AFMUG] strange outage

2021-06-18 Thread Carl Peterson
We've gone full circle - Flat to fully routed to MPLS/VPLS over a routed network back to flat. You hit a scaling issue with routed networks as you hit 10G and above, especially if you aren't using Mikrotik or other low cost routing. Real carrier grade switching is a lot lower cost, lower power,

Re: [AFMUG] strange outage

2021-06-18 Thread Adam Moffett
No this is simply not true. or the only nugget of truth is that it might take a beefier router to match the performance of a switch. On 6/18/2021 11:31 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote: Well we could replace the switches with routers but won't this reduce the total traffic available?  And once the traf

Re: [AFMUG] strange outage

2021-06-18 Thread Sam Lambie
I have never heard of routers eating bandwidth between hops. Unless you are thinking of mesh topology. Eww. Bridged transparent Point to point links between towers, routers at each site. No bandwidth lost. On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 9:33 AM Jan-GAMs wrote: > We're under 100 subs, and static routing

Re: [AFMUG] strange outage

2021-06-18 Thread Jan-GAMs
We're under 100 subs, and static routing has been easy to monitor via the UISP.  Every CPE is displayed and easy to login to.  Any units on DHCP is a total PITA and I'd prefer to shoot the guy that started doing that as we can't find the user nor login to fix them, it's a truck roll which consu

Re: [AFMUG] strange outage

2021-06-18 Thread Sam Lambie
We had a flat network for a few years with the same setup as you in terms of network. Once the network grew to a certain size, broadcast storms would roll through often and it was almost impossible to track down the culprit without unplugging the gear and waiting for it to die down. We then switche

Re: [AFMUG] strange outage

2021-06-18 Thread Jan-GAMs
I think this is beyond our present capability.  We have an edgerouter X where the network meets the internet and that's it. There is only one OSPF, it's just one path with no other routes. We have a switch at every tower that powers the APs and clients(CPE) that connect to APs.  We use UISP to

Re: [AFMUG] strange outage

2021-06-18 Thread Adam Moffett
This is plausible.  I think ubnt sends broadcast traffic at MCS0.  Not sure how it handles multicast.  If everyone was in the same layer2 domain a heavy broadcast traffic could affect the whole system.  Maybe the customer moving 6-10mbps was malfunctioning and broadcasting something. In genera

Re: [AFMUG] strange outage

2021-06-18 Thread Daniel White
Sounds like a broadcast storm to me.  What is the topology of your network?  Routers at each tower, VLANs, etc.? Are you filtering multicast and broadcast traffic at the CPE/customer premises? photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Jan-GAMs <