There was a company that was doing 1.5Gbps over WiFi that I read about. The
only problem was that it was only pure video streaming at that speed, no
general data traffic. This sounds like exactly the same thing. They need to
produce more details.
Rory
From: Af
If there's any interest in it, I'll take the time to inventory it and possibly
even turn it on for quick testing\defaulting. If no one wants this old stuff...
to recycling it goes.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
If any of it is useable. I may be interested in it
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 13, 2014, at 6:55 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
If there's any interest in it, I'll take the time to inventory it and
possibly even turn it on for quick testing\defaulting. If no one wants this
60 Ghz band ist good for up to 500m ptp. There are products from silku, athena,
sub10
Based on a 802.11ad chipsets this band might give dirt cheap short
gigabit links.
This is the only 802.11ad chipset I know of:
http://wilocity.com/products/chipsets
Von: Af
Oh, at that distance might as well use FSO.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:32:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Samsung: 4.6
http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/LuganoReportSubmit.pdf
From: Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 7:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe
1 gram of fuel produced 1.5 MEGAWATTS of power over 32 days? Am I reading
that right?
Holy shit!
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Been following this for years. This is the best paper yet.
From: Kade Sullivan via Af
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 7:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe
1 gram of fuel produced 1.5 MEGAWATTS of power over 32 days? Am I reading that
right?
Holy shit!
...and for years it's been BS. Can you imagine how rich these guys would
already be if it were real? If it were true, you really wouldn't need a third
party to validate. Just do it and be insanely wealthy.
Chuck
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 13, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Chuck McCown via Af
They have been selling to US Military customers...
And there are about 6 other companies that claim to have products developed on
the same principle.
The main problem so far seems to be the low quality heat produced. Good for
heating water but not for making electricity.
From: Chuck
The guy that originally came up with the device and sold several 1MW hot water
generators built into conex containers has sold to a US company called
Industrial Heat LLC. I think they are in the money raising phase. His former
partners have formed a new company to do the same. There is an
Having formerly been in the field I'm more than skeptical. Of course,
experience can be the bane of innovation. Still, 1.5 MW isn't a low power, low
yield, hard to verify production. Whatever the source of the result, it's not
an artifact (ie, it's presumably either real or its fraud).
The
Effort (by Toyota, etc. and national labs) does not equate to success.
Chuck
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
The guy that originally came up with the device and sold several 1MW hot
water generators built into conex containers has
Interesting device, I haven't seen it in production yet.
They don't know what they are doing obviously.
Fiber to the home requires a lot more lead line and usually a splice tray to
hold it.
So their outdoor enclosure isn't going to work for most deployments, it will
still be put in a larger
I agree, when it shows up in a major journal things may look a bit more legit.
The whole field has a taint so that may be one reason we have not seen peer
reviewed publications.
But this is one that keeps coming back again and again. Powdered nickel,
treated with special sauce, gives off
We’ve only run the fiber into the house a couple of times.
It’s best for us to leave the demarcation on the outside of the house, and just
use PoE from the inside.
That makes a clear line between us and them.
If they unplug their own power, they have cut themselves off, not our problem.
The
Yeah GigE PoE.
The GigE PoE adapters are cheap and work well with the RB260 models.
I like it that way, then the customer can decide if they want to put on 100
hours of battery backup or not.
We just maintain the outside device at the Demarc on the side of their house.
From: Af
1.5 megawatt-hours. I think they chose that number for the shock and
awe value.
If it was producing the same amount of power continuously over 32 days
that would mean 3.9kw. Similar to some portable generators. They also
report net power production of 2.3kw, which doesn't jive with the
Yes, they have about 770 to 930 watts continuous 3 phase resistance heaters
running through the length of the test.
Page 22 of the whitepaper gives the ins and outs.
http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/LuganoReportSubmit.pdf
From: Adam Moffett via Af
Sent: Monday,
I'm not holding my breath, but I am keeping an eye on this.
Interesting, if nothing else. Potentially life changing if legit.
- Original Message -
From: Chuck Bartosch via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still
I have been holding my breath for about 5 years on this. I almost gave up
hope. I am still holding my breath for EESTOR as well. I actually own Zenn
Motor Company stock...
From: Glen Waldrop via Af
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I
So Chuck, instead of Animal Farm this year can we all come hang out in your
secret laboratory and build one of these together?!?!
This is earth shattering, and life changing if it's true...energy is the
root of all mankind's problems.
2 cents
-sean
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Chuck
The physics world still isn’t buying it.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe
So Chuck, instead of Animal Farm this year can we all come
The Physics community didn't welcome Einstein's ideas with open arms
either. He was basically a heretic for upsetting the Newtonian Physics
apple cart ;-)
Once they had proof from the solar eclipse photos that gravity can bend
light suddenly everyone jumped on the Relativity band wagon.
On
Oxygen is the main consideration… although rain attenuation is high as well.
60GHz is a 1/3 mile shot… or 500m… max product.
802.11ad chipsets could result in ultra-cheap outdoor PtP equipment… but the
products at a minimum are a year away or so.
Lots of startups trying to hit
FSO is attenuated much worse by rain fade, and MTBF is much lower than radios
(typically less than 10 years). Depending on the cost of the unit, sunlight
reflecting into the lens will cause issues.
Also, things like fog, dust, etc. attenuate FSO where radio does not.
FSO is a dying
I'm looking for a backup termination provider to VoIP Innovations, so
that if VI has an issue, customers can still make outbound calls. I
know there are Thousands out there, Just looking for good/bad/ugly
experiences with any of them. Or if you're really happy with one.
I'm hitting my VI
Maybe he needs to learn patience. 20 minutes sounds reasonable to me
unless he's doing it several times a day.
Windows 7 can make zip files without any additional third party
software. I think you right click the folder and select compress
folder. In my experience, one big file tends to
I have the stuff...
From: Sean Heskett via Af
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe
So Chuck, instead of Animal Farm this year can we all come hang out in your
secret laboratory and build one of these together?!?!
This is
Well said.
- Original Message -
From: Adam Moffett via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe
That might be true. Even if it is, you can bet that Einstein's theory came
with math to back it up. This
Have you looked at SIPRoutes?
On 10/13/2014 10:02 AM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
I'm looking for a backup termination provider to VoIP Innovations, so
that if VI has an issue, customers can still make outbound calls. I
know there are Thousands out there, Just looking for good/bad/ugly
I would say it's something even without being able to do any of that... even if
all they can do with it is heat water to a sufficient temperature to heat a
house, that is still a huge achievement.
From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jerry Richardson
Neat!
I've got to try that!
- Original Message -
From: Kade Sullivan via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe
That kid taught me how to get tons of AA batteries super cheap. Just buy the
big
For the record, 9v batteries REALLY do have 6 cells in them. They are LR61
cells.
--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107
- Original Message -
From: Kade Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014
I love that guy
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
That kid taught me how to get tons of AA batteries super cheap. Just buy
the big batteries and cut them open. Tons of AAs just come POURING out!
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Bill Prince via Af
You've got to love idiots making rules and not thinking about the effects
(or worse knowing what the effect will be and doing it anyway).
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Ryan Spott via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Yeah. It was a little ugly. It pretty much boiled down to: if you are
placing wires
My eye just started twitching and it won't stop...
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Ryan Spott via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Yeah. It was a little ugly. It pretty much boiled down to: if you are
placing wires that could have current placed on them then you should be an
electrician. (Read that
A phone cable carries current.
The USB wire to your smart phone carries current.
All wires are designed to carry current.
There should be a distinction about whether the current has the
potential to be lethal.
Unless you're an electrician. In which case this makes for super good
job
This. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that the IBEW or some such
thing was involved in this.
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Unless you're an electrician. In which case this makes for super good job
security.
I wonder if that applies to stuff the homeowner does?
If so, then the ARRL may want to weigh in.
From: Travis Johnson via Af
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza
In the town of Jackson Hole, Wyoming... any wire carrying ANY
Here ya go Thio Joe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG5cEik2ABY
bp
On 10/13/2014 11:21 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
What the heck is a cow magnate?
This whole discussion reminds me of the Youtube nerd that shows people
how to make their internet faster by wrapping the ethernet cable
I just replaced some old fluorescent tube lights in our kitchen with
some LED lights.
Hope I didn't break any code rules.
Also hope the NSA isn't listening...
bp
On 10/13/2014 12:08 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
I wonder if that applies to stuff the homeowner does?
If so, then the ARRL may
They are listening via the covert microphones the placed inside those commie
environmentalist lights you installed.
Chris Wright
Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:14 PM
To:
My philosophy is what they don't see won't hurt them.
bp
On 10/13/2014 11:57 AM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
In the town of Jackson Hole, Wyoming... any wire carrying ANY amount
of voltage (even DISH TV coax, plain ethernet (not even PoE),
telephone, etc.) you have to first get a permit from
So it's becoming a reoccurring nightmare for me. I get a customer calling
in saying their internet is slow. It ends up being their upstream or
downstream or both are totally maxed out for hours on end. Unfortunately,
my responsibility does not stop there.
We have been going the route of
care to post an (anonymized) cacti chart for a customer? I'm curious what
kind of usage patterns we are talking about here.
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
So it's becoming a reoccurring nightmare for me. I get a customer calling
in saying their
For outbound SIP trunks:
Voxbeam is reliable.
voip.ms doesn't have the best rates, but has SIP servers all over North
America, likely within 30ms latency of your location no matter where you
are.
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I'm looking for a backup
FSO is a huge pain in the ass and unreliable at 500 to 600 meters. The
Bridgewave GE60 and GE60X, similar products, work very well at 500-650
meters (in a Seattle or Vancouver rain zone) and are actually five nine
reliable statistically over a year.
There are a lot of upcoming 60 GHz products
cron job and rsync.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 3:13 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
I have started to do a LOT of this. My new hobby is a radio station which
we launched back in April. I am always recording and editing files and
sending them back and forth and i've found RDP
Have you tried PCQ with lower priority on connections that have moved
more data? See below. That's saying any connection that has moved less
than 50,000,000 bytes gets priority 7, while any connection moving more
than that gets the default priority 8.
Before I did this, if I ran a torrent
This is exactly what I had envisioned in my mind. I can not thank you
enough.
On Oct 13, 2014 3:33 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Have you tried PCQ with lower priority on connections that have moved more
data? See below. That's saying any connection that has moved less than
Did not know this. great info
On Oct 13, 2014 4:02 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Non advantage SMs will burst the same speed as advantage SMs. The
throughput limits only apply after the burst is exhausted.
bp
On 10/13/2014 1:55 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote:
1536
Since it's on the forefront of my mind now, I just went ahead and added
a tiny-download packet mark for connections that moved less than 1
million bytes. tiny-download gets priority 6 in the queue tree.
Something like 20% of traffic seems to fit that description.
I think I'll keep it.
All of you guys are out in Vegas and we have this crap to deal with back
here. Nothing bad up this way yet, but Southern IL has a few tornado
warnings already. Hopefully this isn't going to be a repeat of Oct/Nov
last year.
No kidding, we've been under a tornado watch in Springfield for a couple
hours now.
On Monday, October 13, 2014, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
af@afmug.com wrote:
All of you guys are out in Vegas and we have this crap to deal with back
here. Nothing bad up this way yet, but
I lost a tower in the first wave down here in Alabama.
Straight line wind took out a tower, tore the roof off a business in town.
Storm tore through from the south.
Still have several hours to go, whole other line of storms coming in from the
west.
- Original Message -
From:
That stinks glen we are okay so far in north alabama. Lots of wind here
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 13, 2014, at 5:01 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I lost a tower in the first wave down here in Alabama.
Straight line wind took out a tower, tore the roof off a business in
I wonder about that whenever I see this kind of pattern on the national
weather map. My sister lives near Peoria, and I always wonder what
storm adventure she's going through. I remember when the whole family
would gather in the little room in the basement when tornado
watches/warnings came
https://www.trangosys.com/news/introducing-new-altum-ac-outdoor-5x-ghz-wireless-system-integrated-wi-fi
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
Does it have an LED display? :))
Travis
On 10/13/2014 4:08 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:
https://www.trangosys.com/news/introducing-new-altum-ac-outdoor-5x-ghz-wireless-system-integrated-wi-fi
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
You might just have to get back into the business if it does.
Z!
On 10/13/2014 4:18 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
Does it have an LED display? :))
Travis
On 10/13/2014 4:08 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:
I heard it uses special florescent lights for efficiency.
bp
On 10/13/2014 3:18 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
Does it have an LED display? :))
Travis
On 10/13/2014 4:08 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:
Nope, visible lasers so you can see them at a distance. See the green line
shooting out of the side and you are good to go. Just make sure it isn’t aimed
toward the flight path of aircraft.
From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 4:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re:
*east*.
___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___
On Oct 13, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I wonder about that whenever I see
I think it's pushed to our easy now.
___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
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On Oct 13, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I
We use the shielded EZ-RF45 ends with this cable all the time. You don't
fold the copper back. Instead you treat it more like putting an end on a
heliax cable. Leave a bit of the inner jacket sticking out and only
expose enough of the copper to go into the shielded end and get crimped
down. We
What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? I'm
assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you?
TJ
Siklu 80ghz will do 1gig at a mile. Very cost effective product. I
recently installed a pair for our county. The interface is in java and
therefore a bit nit picky on browser. But its a good product from my
experience.
Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000
On
Path is actually 1.8 miles, will 80 still work? What do those cost? Any
idea the difference between the 5 different model variations?
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Carl Peterson via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Not relevant to the OP, but we just installed a bunch of Siklu EH-600s and
they have
1 Gig both ways?
You *could* theoretically use two AF24’s and a Mikrotik router to bond the
connections.
This would give them 1.0Gbps with redundancy.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject:
So we can lose equipment while all the vendors are in Vegas. I lost
equipment due to water damage at two separate grain elevators last night and
this morning. The second one damaged everything from Packetflux, nothing
else. I'm convinced it's because Packetflux shipping is closed all this
Call siklu, have them run the path. They can give you an accurate answer.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Tablet
Original message
From: TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com
Date: 10/13/2014 4:14 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul
Trying to strip off the outer jacket, I find I have to be careful not to
pull too hard, because the inner jacket is like Stretch Armstrong's arms, or
a piece of tar.
-Original Message-
From: Matt Jenkins via Af
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 5:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re:
I would think people would have a bad taste in their mouths from the way
Trango previously handled ptmp.
On Monday, October 13, 2014, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
https://www.trangosys.com/news/introducing-new-altum-ac-outdoor-5x-ghz-wireless-system-integrated-wi-fi
Gino A.
yeah, pressure to find places to store all their dough, elevators are only
slightly less crooked than the farmers, theyll tell you times are tough as
they building building building.
Im not doing this storm thing this year, we have gotten too lucky in the
past, so im not taking the chance, we are
Price for ptp connectorized unit vs Mimosa? Actual ship date?
On Oct 13, 2014 3:09 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
https://www.trangosys.com/news/introducing-new-altum-ac-outdoor-5x-ghz-wireless-system-integrated-wi-fi
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband
After the horrible multipath/ducting issues this year, I am actually looking
forward to barren, snowy fields and dry, cold air.
Maybe I’ll put the winter tires on the vehicles this weekend.
From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 7:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
No you can't, in 750Mbps mode an af24 link takes all available 24 GHz
bandwidth in both polarities. Will not work in parallel ptp between the
same two sites. Will work if one af24 is aimed off-azimuth at least 10
degrees at another third site.
On Oct 13, 2014 4:48 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af
You can use the sikli 80 GHz FDD product with 60cm diameter 52dBi gain
antennas. Will work at 1.8 miles much more reliably than the regular siklu
30cm with 42 antenna gain on each end.
The siklu 80 GHz radio is max tx power +7 while the more expensive products
are capable of +19.
On Oct 13, 2014
And if you're coming to market with a blockbuster new product and genuinely
trying to make a play for market share, why no fiber + DC option?
___
Mangled by my iPhone.
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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
Did you guys make that video, or get it from a third party? It would be
pretty easy to replace the audio voice over and sell it for English
language markets thousands of Niles away from PR.
On Oct 10, 2014 6:52 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Its in spanish, but I think its
Manufacturers just don't get it I guess...
On Monday, October 13, 2014, Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
And if you're coming to market with a blockbuster new product and
genuinely trying to make a play for market share, why no fiber + DC option?
___
Mangled
SAF integra 2+0 link in 18 or 23ghz will do 948mbps aggregate without
compression.
Compression can get you to 1gbps with the right kind of data.
We just installed the first two 2+0 integra links in the world last week
and they are running great!
2 cents
Sean
On Monday, October 13, 2014, TJ
I believe the wifi standard is intended as an in room connection so that
you don't have to plug your TV into your internet or blue ray or whatever
is the next cool home entertainment gizmo.
Short distance ptp is possible tho.
On Monday, October 13, 2014, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com
What brand are your SM's? If ubnt Airgateway
—
Sent from Mailbox
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Christopher Hair via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Anyone out there offering a WiFi service with management to their
subscriber base? In the past we have just sold our subscribers a WiFi
router only
It could be an issue when they bail on ptmp again and leave you high and
dry...
On Monday, October 13, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I would buy it right now if I was in the business. New frequency band
(5.15 to 5.25) and up to 40 clients and 600Mbps of throughput. What
.
i tried this a long time ago, it just hopped constantly
so i figured after a couple years they must have gotten it to work, so I
turned it on on a 5ghz backhaul and selected the default list.
Its hopping like once every second, does it go through a series of hops
before it stabilizes or is it
I wasn't left high and dry either...because I never used Trango :-)
On Tuesday, October 14, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I was never left high and dry... and I was probably one of their biggest
customers... we simply upgraded to the next technology and kept moving
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