Re: [AFMUG] OT cubs or cowboys?

Nice job cubs On Sun, Oct 30, 2016, 10:32 PM Lewis Bergman wrote: > Wearing my button out

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

It is a very political discussion that will likely never result in any form of consensus, especially among this group because of financial interests involved, as to whether or not government should be involved in building fiber networks. However, from my perspective (and UTOPIA Fiber's), interest

[AFMUG] OT cubs or cowboys?

Wearing my button out

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Cameras

There is no warranty or support. But at that price point I don't care. On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Any worries about warranty, support, or firmware updates not buying from > an authorized reseller? I guess for that price difference some risks would > be justified. On

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016, 6:19 PM wrote: > Lewis Bergman wrote: > > At the root is that you somehow believe government involvement is always > good. > Now don't you go putting words in my mouth! > I never said such a thing. > You have made a case for it I do not think government involvement i

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Hughesnet... that's a bit ironic bringing that up in a conversation of tax dollars paying for infrastructure. Not going to argue semantics, but something to ponder. -Steve D On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > You have wireless internet why do you need fiber? Everybody can

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Chuck writes: > You have wireless internet why do you need fiber? Everybody can get > hughesnet. Have you actually used satellite internet? The punishment for advocating that position is to have to use only satellite internet u tik you cry uncle. :) > The county should run water and gas fir

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

> Electricity costs 4 x NG. Distribution costs money. New infrastructure costs money. The price of commodities fluctuates. Is it still four times cheaper when you factor in all that? Don't ask me, I'm not a gas guy. > What does more of the people, gas or fiber? Any reason you can't ha

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Lewis Bergman wrote: > At the root is that you somehow believe government involvement is always good. Now don't you go putting words in my mouth! I never said such a thing. I do not think government involvement is always good. Neither do I believe that government involvement is always bad.

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

You have wireless internet why do you need fiber? Everybody can get hughesnet. The county should run water and gas first. -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 4:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber Chuck wrote: Why should

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Electricity costs 4 x NG. What does more of the people, gas or fiber? -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 4:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber Chuck wrote: Why should the county not choose to build out natural gas to ever

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

If you're out in the country, you have a big white Internet tank in your side yard and when it gets low, a guy with a truck comes and fills it up with Internet -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 5:52 PM

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Chuck wrote: > Why should the county not choose to build out natural gas to everyone? That > would save them all lots of money, that would be a real benefit. Why fiber > not gas? Because gas can easily be substituted for an other form of energy, like electricity? And everybody's already got

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

You need to contact your GFR, Government's Field Representative for your area. http://www.rd.usda.gov/contact-us/telecom-gfr/all They can get you started. They will also pay you about 5% on any money put in a payment escrow account called "cushion of credit". -Original Message- From

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Chuck writes: > Unless you chose the federal cost of money rate, it has been about 1% for 13 > years and counting. My bad. I've never taken RUS money so I wouldn't know. Can you point me in the right direction? Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Why should the county not choose to build out natural gas to everyone? That would save them all lots of money, that would be a real benefit. Why fiber not gas? -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 2:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Amm

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Unless you chose the federal cost of money rate, it has been about 1% for 13 years and counting. -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 1:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber Lewis Bergman wrote: Chuck mentioned 1% rates for

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

Ouch On Oct 30, 2016 3:57 PM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > I would think if they sold a ticket for game seven only they would be > pretty cheap now. > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2016, 11:04 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> I wish the Cubs were in the World Series every night. Bandwidth usage >> was way down. >> >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

I would think if they sold a ticket for game seven only they would be pretty cheap now. On Sun, Oct 30, 2016, 11:04 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I wish the Cubs were in the World Series every night. Bandwidth usage was > way down. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill P

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

At the root is that you somehow believe government involvement is always good. History doesn't back you up, especially where broadband is concerned. Government, most any government, does a pretty poor job if what it should be doing much less tasks it has no business doing. You sound like someone

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Chuck wrote: > Why does it have to be open? It does not have to be, but if one party offers dark fiber rental and the other does not, then they are not competing directly on all levels. Open access also opens up the market to a different level of competition, which may or may not be a goal.

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Lewis Bergman wrote: > Chuck mentioned 1% rates for RUS. Definitely below market. Here are the current RUS interest rates: http://www.rd.usda.gov/programs-services/services/rural-utilities-loan-interest-rates#BaseRates Looks like a 30 year bond rate is 2.6-4.425%. > Are you saying that Co

Re: [AFMUG] netequalizer

Before we got our fiber feed into district we used two fed by bonded T-1s to keep things smooth as possible.. They worked well... I never got to play with them as I was in charge of getting district fiber infrastructure built... Conduit and enclosures outdoors and conduit indoors.. On Oct 30, 2016

Re: [AFMUG] google dns

Cool.. On Oct 30, 2016 9:41 AM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > Mike has swept the perimeter for you Jaime, it is safe to enter. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:21 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] google dns

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

I wish the Cubs were in the World Series every night. Bandwidth usage was way down. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs Well that didn't happen. Now it's looking like they may

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

Well that didn't happen. Now it's looking like they may screw the pooch again. Breaks my heart, but I think back a few years ago when the Giants managed to pull a rabbit out of their hat. There's always next year; and the one after that... bp On 10/28/2016 3:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Pr

Re: [AFMUG] google dns

Jaime you savage LOL On Oct 30, 2016 10:31 AM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > It was joke Mike, like the Cubs... > > On Oct 29, 2016 11:12 AM, "David Milholen" wrote: > >> Yes, all that should be good. >> >> I ran a DNSStuff check on it and its all Green. >> >> >> >> On 10/29/2016 11:27 AM, Ken Hohh

Re: [AFMUG] google dns

I would like the Cubs to win so they canstop winning and wearing that martyrs merit badge On Sun, Oct 30, 2016, 10:34 AM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Before you all think I am being provocative, it was a joke like the cubs > one I posted other time... I have no dog in the world series fight even > th

Re: [AFMUG] google dns

Mike has swept the perimeter for you Jaime, it is safe to enter. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] google dns I don't see any Mikrotik here... - Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Allot of new subdivisions are getting fiber along with other utilities around here mostly on east side of town. They use it as sales pitch as well. I have seen TWC/Spectrum and contractors running new aerial runs into these areas. Two WISPs are in area serving existing homes. Not sure who is

Re: [AFMUG] netequalizer

We used one quite a long while ago. At the time, we were behind the curve in terms of $/Mbps, and this allowed us to live with the bandwidth we had while we worked on a fatter pipe. It worked reasonably well, and it did reduce complaints. However, our bandwidth requirements grew faster than it

Re: [AFMUG] google dns

Before you all think I am being provocative, it was a joke like the cubs one I posted other time... I have no dog in the world series fight even though I do play with group called Windy City or long stretch solidarity with a tribe. Nah... Just good ball playing is all. On Oct 29, 2016 11:12 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] google dns

It was joke Mike, like the Cubs... On Oct 29, 2016 11:12 AM, "David Milholen" wrote: > Yes, all that should be good. > > I ran a DNSStuff check on it and its all Green. > > > > On 10/29/2016 11:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Same here. My DNS servers as well as AT&T DNS servers can find you, > 8

Re: [AFMUG] google dns

I don't see any Mikrotik here... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jaime Solorza" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 10:30:38 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] google dns

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

So then don't use a wireless last mile, use the fiber last mile? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 10:41:36 AM Subjec

Re: [AFMUG] netequalizer

Do not have one. Have used one though. Bandwidth shaper, QoS, DDoS detection. If I remember right it had some caching features, but that's largely useless for most modern traffic flows. P2P blocking, but not sure how effective that part is as it wasn't used at the time. Given the choice between t

[AFMUG] netequalizer

who is using it and can give some information about it works and how good it is? thx Daniel

Re: [AFMUG] google dns

For DNS related escalations at $$$job, this is the number #1 issue we run across .. typically misconfigured DNSSEC :) > On Oct 29, 2016, at 1:15 PM, David Milholen wrote: > > That may be.. I really never finished setting dnssec up > > > On 10/29/2016 11:33 AM, Paul Stewart wrote: >> On the