Any idea how far from the tower they were?
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From: Ken Hohhof via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
When Open Range went poof, we got several calls from people in townhomes who
the
roof. Even satellite TV is a problem for people on the north side of buildings.
From: Sean Heskett via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
if the county has rules that go against OTARD then
dered common areas, so basically you are talking about balconies.
>>> Often these buildings are in rows the same height so the only practical
>>> place to get LOS to a tower is the roof. Even satellite TV is a problem
>>> for people on the north side of buildings.
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There are always shades of gray. You can drive yourself nets deciding
where you want to draw the line. But I guess that's the beauty of democracy.
bp
On 11/13/2014 8:46 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
But Im also very big on government not interfering, and this is a
pretty big governmental in
LOS to a tower is the roof. Even satellite TV is a problem
>> for people on the north side of buildings.
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett via Af
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:22 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
>&
Sigh. The closest thing we have to mountains are slag piles.
From: Sean Heskett via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
Balcanies only or work a deal with the whole building. If their balcony
doesn't face your tower
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
>
> if the county has rules that go against OTARD then they are breaking
> federal law too.
>
> just instal per the OTARD rules and you have nothing to wo
I tried that, it didn’t work. There is enough leeway in the current OTARD rule
to exempt public areas.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
Just
Just use the magic phrase “ preempted by federal law”
From: Sean Heskett via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
i have never gotten an attorney (that i was paying or my client was paying)
involved. the HOAs have wasted
tower is the roof.
Even satellite TV is a problem for people on the north side of buildings.
From: Sean Heskett via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
if the county has rules that go against OTARD then they are breaking federal
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>> *From: *"Sean Heskett via Af"
ia Af"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:16:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
i have never gotten an attorney (that i was paying or my client was paying)
involved. the HOAs have wasted their money on attorneys only to be told by
their attorneys that they
gt; *From: *"Sean Heskett via Af"
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:10:18 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
>
> There is no need for that. The OTARD rules have a section that instructs
> entities on how to Petition the fcc for
puting Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: "Sean Heskett via Af" < af@afmug.com >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
There is no need for that. The OTARD rules have a section that instructs
entities
@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
There is no need for that. The OTARD rules have a section that instructs
entities on how to Petition the fcc for a waiver etc.
Just follow OTARD and don't back down.
http://www.fcc.gov/
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> To: Ken Hohhof via Af >
> Sent: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 10:10:40 -0600 (CST)
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
>
> An attorney letter isn't the first option. And recommending a meeting
> isn't good either, as you suggest. There are a world of optio
-0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
An attorney letter isn't the first option. And recommending a meeting isn't
good either, as you suggest. There are a world of options, none which involve
losing a potential customer or delaying an install.
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hahaha
- Original Message -
From: That One Guy via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
If there is an HOA giving you fits, I can help. you dont need a lawyer, a few
burned out shells of houses in the
clients that
have contacted me overseas that want them now.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
"OO burn!"
Jos
m] *Im Auftrag von *Jason McKemie
> via Af
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 12. November 2014 09:25
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
>
>
>
> Allowing customers to install their own CPE is a bad idea in any
> unlicensed frequency, both for your network as
.@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Jason McKemie
via Af
*Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 12. November 2014 09:25
*An:* af@afmug.com
*Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
Allowing customers to install their own CPE is a bad idea in any
unlicensed frequency, both for your network as well as the spectrum in
gt; *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
>
>
>
> Indoor CPE (often called wireless modems) still is kind of the holy grail,
> except for the small matter of making it work.
>
>
>
> Like DSL didn’t take off until they made it customer self-insta
, just like
Verizon, Comcast, etc. and even the power companies do.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
Indoor CPE (often called wireless modems) still is kind
+1
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
Our installers install the connection per OTARD and if anyone gives the
homeowner any blow back we fight the fight for
, November 12, 2014 10:10 AM
To: Ken Hohhof via Af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
An attorney letter isn't the first option. And recommending a meeting isn't
good either, as you suggest. There are a world of options, none which involve
losing a potential customer or delaying
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*From: *"Jason McKemie via Af"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, November 12, 2014 2:25:25 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
Allowing customers to install their own CPE is a bad idea in any
unlicensed frequency, both for your network as well as t
are of these issues. I've written (or
> rewritten) many ordinances and policies to help city attorneys get things
> right, as I'm sure Steve, Jonathan, Rebecca and many others have.
>
>
>
> -- Original message --
> From: Rory Conaway via Af
> Date: 11/12/2014
AM
To: af@afmug.com;
Subject:Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
Understood. It’s the letter, not the lawsuit, that does the work. Oh crap, we
got a letter from his lawyer, can we just settle this?
Just like with Title II regulation, it’s the paperwork, not the actual rules,
that would kill u
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weeks or months to get your service
From: Hass, Douglas A. via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:11 AM
To: Rory Conaway via Af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
Ken,
The last thing I would advocate is for anyone to "lawyer up" against their
neighbors. The ov
agreement to murder someone for me.
Doug
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
That’s like saying I can’t make an agreement with my wife not to put a
satellite dish
ge --
From: Rory Conaway via Af
Date: 11/12/2014 9:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com;
Subject:Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
But what do you do when the city has unreasonable restrictions and the
buildings are company buildings on a property such as an RV park?
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.
It’s still an active battle so if any lawyers out there want to get involved,
let me know.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
That’s like
battle to fight over
this.
From: Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
Great example. The federal government restricts their ability to do that. You
can't agree to violate that.
-
Mike Hammett
Intell
ay, November 12, 2014 8:25:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
Bad example. The agreement wasn’t to do something illegal like kill someone.
You can agree not to paint your house purple, not to have kids (retirement
community), etc. in order to live there.
In any case, it’s a “
: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
Well, Open Range has been gone for quite awhile.
But people are not looking for us to help them lawyer up and fight their
neighbors over an antenna. They are looking for us to fix the problem by
providing them service without an outdoor antenna.
This is
not a ton though. And as people have noted,
Mimosa seems optimistic about how well this will work.
From: Hass, Douglas A. via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:27 AM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
J
While you certainly can contract away certain
: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
Doug Haas's favorite example is that it's illegal to kill somebody. You can't
sign a contract to kill somebody and make it legal.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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seller they discontinued it.
From: Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
Doug Haas's favorite example is that it's illegal to kill somebody. You can't
sign a contract to kill somebody an
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:47:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
When Open Range went poof, we got several calls from people in townhomes who
really loved their indoor CPEs, their HOA didn’t allow outdoor antennas, and
OTARD was no use because t
riginal Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof via Af"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:47:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
When Open Range went poof, we got several calls from people in townhomes who
really loved their indoor CPEs, their HOA didn’t al
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
This is going to have limited use the U.S.. Unfortunately , with tax credits
for certain type of windows and window films, most of our windows don’t work
well with indoor radios. We did a test one day and found that it was easier to
get the signal
...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
This is better than previous attempts in that it's a beamforming antenna on the
CPE. It shapes the beam to point at the best signal it sees.
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To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 2:25:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
Allowing customers to install their own CPE is a bad idea in any unlicensed
frequency, both for your network as well as the spectrum in general.
On Wednesday, November 12, 2014, Stefa
It depends on the window type common in your area.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Stefan Englhardt via Af"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:29:23 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Mim
it is clear that this company sells hope and not true products.
Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jason McKemie via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. November 2014 09:25
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
Allowing customers to install their own CPE is a bad
Allowing customers to install their own CPE is a bad idea in any unlicensed
frequency, both for your network as well as the spectrum in general.
On Wednesday, November 12, 2014, Stefan Englhardt via Af
wrote:
> Now Mimosa announced an indoor window mountable CPE:
>
>
>
> „Mimosa's C5i just chang
Now Mimosa announced an indoor window mountable CPE:
"Mimosa's C5i just changed urban Internet forever! Never wait on your service
provider install again. Self-install in seconds and experience 500+ Mbps!"
To the mimosa Fans: How they change physics to make 5GHz penetrate through
windows. W
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