Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question

2015-03-05 Thread David
if possible and/or use smaller dishes. There is plenty of signal. 2’ or 18” would still work just fine at that range. *From:* Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:35 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question I

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2015-03-04 Thread Josh Luthman
Always listen to the manufacturer. I don't anyone has ever come up with a case where their figure was noticeably off. Certainly never not on the side of caution. Are you using their full tx power or the tx power of the highest modulation? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343

[AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question

2015-03-04 Thread Jaime Solorza
Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what someone else came up with.I am wondering if they used just unfaded free space loss calculation and coming up with a figure 10dB better than mine, I am using unfaded urban area free space loss

Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question

2015-03-04 Thread Josh Luthman
, Tim *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question So, assuming 2’ antennas at 38.7 dBi, your RSLs should be around -33.8 dBm (+/1 2.0 dB) *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question

2015-03-04 Thread Jaime Solorza
. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:00 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Wow ..close... I come up with 132.89 dB FSL and 143.41 dB urban area FSL ..so I guess if I back out the 2dB loss I

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2015-03-04 Thread Hardy, Tim
So, assuming 2’ antennas at 38.7 dBi, your RSLs should be around -33.8 dBm (+/1 2.0 dB) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question I have never had problems using

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2015-03-04 Thread Josh Luthman
+ 10.5 + 25.1 = 132.2 dB *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:31 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare

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2015-03-04 Thread Jaime Solorza
The FCC document they gave me says 21 dBm tx power and that what is set on radios according to guy who hired me to help verify path. One 3 ft dish is on huge guyed tower and another on a monopole with several other drums and a sectors.They experience signal drops during high winds. my guess

Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question

2015-03-04 Thread Jaime Solorza
2’ antennas at 38.7 dBi, your RSLs should be around -33.8 dBm (+/1 2.0 dB) *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:54 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question I have never had problems

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2015-03-04 Thread Hardy, Tim
Sounds logical – a 3’ dish at 2° would be down about 10 dB and at 3° about 20 dB according to the pattern From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:14 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hum...I have

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2015-03-04 Thread Chuck McCown
+ 25.1 = 132.2 dB From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:31 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what someone else came up with.I am wondering if they used

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2015-03-04 Thread Jaime Solorza
+ 20log F Where F D are GHz and Miles. 96.6 + 10.5 + 25.1 = 132.2 dB *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:31 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile

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2015-03-04 Thread Hardy, Tim
(+/- 2.0 db)! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question So, assuming 2’ antennas at 38.7 dBi, your RSLs should be around -33.8 dBm (+/1 2.0 dB) From: Af [mailto:af

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2015-03-04 Thread Chuck McCown
. There is plenty of signal. 2’ or 18” would still work just fine at that range. From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question I would think the other way. Many guyed towers are not 100% stable in rotation, and running

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2015-03-04 Thread David
:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:31 AM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hello Smart Dudes on the list: Running a 3.348 mile path for 18 Ghz Dragonwave link to compare what someone else came up with.I am

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2015-03-04 Thread Jaime Solorza
and at 3° about 20 dB according to the pattern *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:14 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Hum...I have always used it this way and have good results. I

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2015-03-04 Thread Bill Prince
I would think the other way. Many guyed towers are not 100% stable in rotation, and running a PTP link from one would likely require torque arrestors. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 3/4/2015 8:51 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: The FCC document they gave me says 21 dBm tx power and that what is

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2015-03-04 Thread Patrick Leary
04, 2015 12:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question Monopoles are subject to the vortex shedding problem causing them to oscillate. If the axis of the sway causes the dish to aim high and then low it would do exactly what Jaime is guessing it is doing. I would

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2015-03-04 Thread Jaime Solorza
. *From:* Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:35 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question I would think the other way. Many guyed towers are not 100% stable in rotation, and running a PTP link from one would likely require

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2015-03-04 Thread Chuck McCown
With a signal that strong, there may be misalignment issues too where any movement of one of the antenna puts you down on the side of the main lobe. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:33 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart guys on lost question The guyed tower