Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-15 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
treet > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Se

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-15 Thread Mike Hammett
- Original Message - From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:05:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi I very much doubt that it's intended as OC-48 capacity SONET/SDH transport... Based on pre

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-15 Thread Eric Kuhnke
32 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > -- > > *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, June 13, 2016 9:49:53 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi &g

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-15 Thread Eric Kuhnke
ric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, June 13, 2016 9:49:53 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi > > Yeah, sure, if your design goal is to make your L3 backbone harder to > troubleshoot and more failure prone in chains

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-15 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
ecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 9:49:53 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-14 Thread Josh Reynolds
The maximum data rate of the original SFP (not SFP+) is 5Gbps.

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-14 Thread Mike Hammett
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Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-14 Thread Gino Villarini
3 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi   I am missing something here.  What is wrong with using a $6000 microwave as a piece of long CAT 5?  Point A to Point B extending your reach.  Why complicate it with layer 3?   From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 7:17 PM To: af@afmug.

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-14 Thread Adam Moffett
. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 6/14/2016 10:27:33 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi I am missing something here. What is wrong with using a $6000 microwave as a piece of long CAT 5? Point A to Point B exten

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-14 Thread Chuck McCown
I am missing something here. What is wrong with using a $6000 microwave as a piece of long CAT 5? Point A to Point B extending your reach. Why complicate it with layer 3? From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 7:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi Switch

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-13 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Yeah, sure, if your design goal is to make your L3 backbone harder to troubleshoot and more failure prone in chains of non-redundant devices. I suppose I could put a 48 port 1000BaseT switch in front of each router and put the microwave PTP linked OSPF /30 BB interfaces each on their own vlan,

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-13 Thread Eric Kuhnke
A thing that is barely more capable than a Cisco 3750G (which can do static L3 routes or iBGP) is NOT a real router. It's a switch. Show me any serious routing platform from Cisco, Juniper, alcatel-lucent, huawei or ZTE that does 2.5G SFP. On Jun 13, 2016 6:44 PM, "Cassidy B. Larson"

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-13 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
The NetVana 1544 is also a L3 Switch and does OSPF/BGP too! Heh. > On Jun 13, 2016, at 7:26 PM, Josh Baird wrote: > > There -could- be a router doing L3 behind the switch. It's not that > uncommon, right? > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-13 Thread Josh Baird
There -could- be a router doing L3 behind the switch. It's not that uncommon, right? On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > Switch? If people do layer 2 over $6,000+ microwave for backbone links > between two POPs, that is a really bad idea in my opinion.

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-13 Thread Gino Villarini
manufacturers make the weirdest decisions... On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Jon Auer wrote: > Adtran NetVanta 1544 Ethernet switches (24xGigE, 4xSFP) have been 2.5G > capable since 2009. > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-11 Thread Jon Auer
Adtran NetVanta 1544 Ethernet switches (24xGigE, 4xSFP) have been 2.5G capable since 2009. On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > There are such things as 2.5 Gbps SFPs used for fiber channel storage > array applications (example: Cisco MDS9000) but you will

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-10 Thread John Seaman
Hi John, the MSRP is actually printed on the datasheets which you can download from our website https://www.trangosys.com/products/stratapro-series/ Of course there are discounts for service providers. Hit me off list for more info. Thanks, John Seaman | Sales | *Trango Systems, Inc. | *

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-09 Thread Eric Kuhnke
NyLwntZg> > ------ > *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, June 9, 2016 4:35:22 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi > > Can I ask what was the reason for the decision to go with

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-09 Thread Mike Hammett
@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 4:35:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi Can I ask what was the reason for the decision to go with a 2.5 Gbps SFP cage instead of SFP+? I do not have a single router in any network I support capable of native 2.5 Gbps SFP. Such an interface is

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-09 Thread Mathew Howard
This thread reminded me that I needed to check into these... it's probably best to just email John and get a price, but they're actually pretty reasonable, in my opinion. On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > crickets... > > > bp >

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-09 Thread Bill Prince
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY bp On 6/9/2016 3:28 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l91ISfcuzDw On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince > wrote: crickets... bp

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-09 Thread Eric Kuhnke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l91ISfcuzDw On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > crickets... > > > bp > > > > On 6/9/2016 2:57 PM, Keefe John wrote: > > what's the cost of these radios? > > On 6/9/2016 4:35 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-09 Thread Bill Prince
crickets... bp On 6/9/2016 2:57 PM, Keefe John wrote: what's the cost of these radios? On 6/9/2016 4:35 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: Can I ask what was the reason for the decision to go with a 2.5 Gbps SFP cage instead of SFP+? I do not have a single router in any

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-09 Thread Keefe John
what's the cost of these radios? On 6/9/2016 4:35 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: Can I ask what was the reason for the decision to go with a 2.5 Gbps SFP cage instead of SFP+? I do not have a single router in any network I support capable of native 2.5 Gbps SFP. Such an interface is incredibly rare

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-09 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Can I ask what was the reason for the decision to go with a 2.5 Gbps SFP cage instead of SFP+? I do not have a single router in any network I support capable of native 2.5 Gbps SFP. Such an interface is incredibly rare in layer 3 IP network deployments. If it had an SFP+ interface it would be

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-09 Thread John Seaman
Hello and thanks for the questions. The StrataPro does have one 2.5 Gbps SFP cage (along with 3 other GigE ports), but so far we have not qualified a suitable 2.5 Gbps SFP. That is something we are working on. The Xi model is capable of 2 Gbps FDD (4 Gbps aggregate) so that currently requires

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-09 Thread Erich Kaiser
Just telling you what he told me at the showI did bitch about it right away :) Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > There are such things as 2.5

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-09 Thread Eric Kuhnke
There are such things as 2.5 Gbps SFPs used for fiber channel storage array applications (example: Cisco MDS9000) but you will not see them used in ethernet speaking routers/switches. On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: > Check with John, but I

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-09 Thread Erich Kaiser
Check with John, but I thought he said something about a 2.5Gbps SFP, not sure why they did not go 10G Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote: > So

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-09 Thread Mathew Howard
I'm pretty sure they're using two radios to get 4Gbps, so I guess you'd probably be using two SFP's on each one. On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote: > So I’m checking out the new Trango StrataPro data sheets… The Xi model > appears to do 4Gbps

[AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-09 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
So I’m checking out the new Trango StrataPro data sheets… The Xi model appears to do 4Gbps full-duplex.. but no 10G SFP+.. So I’d have to use all three SFPs, and one copper gig to get it? Other notes: it appears they’re keying it up.. so you get to pay extra to unlock capacity to 1100Mbps and