[agi] the Internet as the AGI hardware substrate

2018-06-16 Thread Joshua Maurice via AGI
What type of hardware substrate do you envision for the first AGI? Many scenarios seem to envision AGI emerging in a particular computation system, and/or perhaps in a robot or robots. Many scenarios involve the system being connected to the Internet, as a crucial aspect. What I tend to envision

Re: [agi] Lossy Compressed Blockchain As Temporal Memory (still non-mutable)

2018-06-16 Thread Mark Nuzz via AGI
On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 9:54 PM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI < agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote: > Stepping back for a moment to be able to see better what is being said. > It's a jumble out there. > > Any computational solution would require a technology stack for every > purpose to be ac

Re: [agi] Lossy Compressed Blockchain As Temporal Memory (still non-mutable)

2018-06-16 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
Stepping back for a moment to be able to see better what is being said. It's a jumble out there. Any computational solution would require a technology stack for every purpose to be achieved. Arguing over which technology fits best into an AGI stack, seems unproductive at this stage. Technology

Re: [agi] Lossy Compressed Blockchain As Temporal Memory (still non-mutable)

2018-06-16 Thread Mark Nuzz via AGI
On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Ben Goertzel wrote: > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 2:41 AM, Matt Mahoney via AGI > wrote: > > No, Stefan Reich and Mark Nuzz are right. Blockchain has nothing to do > > with AGI and doesn't help. > > > > Blockchain is a terrible way to implement a distributed data sto

Re: [agi] Lossy Compressed Blockchain As Temporal Memory (still non-mutable)

2018-06-16 Thread Ben Goertzel
On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 2:41 AM, Matt Mahoney via AGI wrote: > No, Stefan Reich and Mark Nuzz are right. Blockchain has nothing to do > with AGI and doesn't help. > > Blockchain is a terrible way to implement a distributed data store. It > is not scalable. Every node stores a copy of every transac

Re: [agi] Lossy Compressed Blockchain As Temporal Memory (still non-mutable)

2018-06-16 Thread Matt Mahoney via AGI
CMR is built on top of a transport layer, which can be HTTP, SMTP, or even carrier pigeon. The graph is a hierarchical ontology with redundant links, so message loss is irrelevant. It is designed to work even with malicious nodes injecting spam or forged messages. It requires nodes to be intelligen

Re: [agi] Lossy Compressed Blockchain As Temporal Memory (still non-mutable)

2018-06-16 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
A voice of reason. Matt Mahoney via AGI schrieb am Sa., 16. Juni 2018 20:42: > No, Stefan Reich and Mark Nuzz are right. Blockchain has nothing to do > with AGI and doesn't help. > > Blockchain is a terrible way to implement a distributed data store. It > is not scalable. Every node stores a co

Re: [agi] Lossy Compressed Blockchain As Temporal Memory (still non-mutable)

2018-06-16 Thread johnrose
OK CMR - unless your graph is merely a tree or a giant DAG you need to ack the ack's or have session state or the message flow will be mainly unidirectional when server nodes are busy/congested. And/or re-transmits or your'e constantly going to be having lost messages and cleaning up orphan edg

Re: [agi] Lossy Compressed Blockchain As Temporal Memory (still non-mutable)

2018-06-16 Thread johnrose
OK forget the word "blockchain" I see it upsets people who didn't buy in early :) Use hashgraph or .. tangle possibly (doesn't look good) or some new DLT graph which gets invented here :) I'm going to re-read Matt's CMR paper again, to see if it may work for something like this. I don't like

Re: [agi] The Singularity Forum

2018-06-16 Thread Logan Streondj via AGI
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/14/18 12:13, MP via AGI wrote: > They’ve done demos for Intel in the past IIRC. But the secrecy (and > yes, I’m aware, as irritating as it is) resides in that they > haven’t patented it yet, and are afraid of secrets being stolen. that's a l

Re: [agi] The Singularity Forum

2018-06-16 Thread Matt Mahoney via AGI
It's just math. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_limit_theorem When you add random variables, you add their means and variances and the sum tends to a Gaussian curve. When you multiply instead of add, the same thing happens when you take the log of the distributions. On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 1

Re: [agi] Lossy Compressed Blockchain As Temporal Memory (still non-mutable)

2018-06-16 Thread Matt Mahoney via AGI
No, Stefan Reich and Mark Nuzz are right. Blockchain has nothing to do with AGI and doesn't help. Blockchain is a terrible way to implement a distributed data store. It is not scalable. Every node stores a copy of every transaction. It takes O(n^2) space. My AGI proposal ( http://mattmahoney.net/a

Re: [agi] Lossy Compressed Blockchain As Temporal Memory (still non-mutable)

2018-06-16 Thread johnrose
Looking into this further, probably what is needed is an open source hashgraph since it would require heavy DAG modification. Hedera's hasgraph is proprietary :(  Hedera claims hundreds of thousands of TPS... John -- Artificial General Intelligence List:

Re: [agi] Lossy Compressed Blockchain As Temporal Memory (still non-mutable)

2018-06-16 Thread johnrose
Stefan, Wrong!  It's a paradigmatic shift. It adds something missing from AI/AGI yearned for all these years - its own economy. And on the non-economic side, three main things - distributed decentralized autonomous as well as data security. It is revolutionary in terms of taking the power away

Re: [agi] Neural Net for Logical Inference in First Working AGI

2018-06-16 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
I don't think anyone in the world still uses Internet Explorer. On 16 June 2018 at 14:44, A.T. Murray via AGI wrote: > The tutorial AI Mind in JavaScript for MSIE at > > http://ai.neocities.org/AiMind.html > -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Pe

Re: [agi] Lossy Compressed Blockchain As Temporal Memory (still non-mutable)

2018-06-16 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
Please, no blockchain in AI... it really doesn't help anything. Cheers, Stefan On 16 June 2018 at 14:45, wrote: > Distributed decentralized autonomous AGI, temporal memory, lossy = > forgetting even just dropping blocks, some memory on-chain some off. > On-chain slower more secure, off-chain mo

Re: [agi] Lossy Compressed Blockchain As Temporal Memory (still non-mutable)

2018-06-16 Thread johnrose
Distributed decentralized autonomous AGI, temporal memory, lossy = forgetting even just dropping blocks, some memory on-chain some off. On-chain slower more secure, off-chain more local, sensory, less-processed. Blockchain meaning blockchain-like, hashgraph-like, or whatever. There would be som

[agi] Neural Net for Logical Inference in First Working AGI

2018-06-16 Thread A.T. Murray via AGI
The tutorial AI Mind in JavaScript for MSIE at http://ai.neocities.org/AiMind.html has an InFerence module which engages in automated reasoning.The human user may enter a first statement as a premise, such as "boys play games". Later on, the user may enter an Is-A statement such as "john is a boy