Re: [agi] Re: Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-30 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Sat, Mar 30, 2024, 7:35 PM John Rose wrote: > On Saturday, March 30, 2024, at 7:11 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > Prediction measures intelligence. Compression measures prediction. > > > Can you reorient the concept of time from prediction? If time is on an > axis, if you reorient the time perspe

Re: [agi] Re: Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-30 Thread John Rose
On Saturday, March 30, 2024, at 7:11 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Prediction measures intelligence. Compression measures prediction. Can you reorient the concept of time from prediction? If time is on an axis, if you reorient the time perspective is there something like energy complexity? The reaso

Re: [agi] Re: Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-30 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Sat, Mar 30, 2024, 11:13 AM Nanograte Knowledge Technologies < nano...@live.com> wrote: > > I can see there's no serious interest here to take a fresh look at doable > AGI. Best to then leave it there. > AI is a solved problem. It is nothing more than text prediction. We have LLMs that pass th

Re: [agi] Re: Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-30 Thread John Rose
On Saturday, March 30, 2024, at 11:11 AM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies wrote: > Who said anything about modifying the fine structure constant? I used the > terms: "coded and managed". > > I can see there's no serious interest here to take a fresh look at doable > AGI. Best to then leave i

Re: [agi] How AI will kill us

2024-03-30 Thread Keyvan M. Sadeghi
> > I would rather have a recommendation algorithm that can predict what I > would like without having to watch. A better algorithm would be one that > actually watches and rates the movie. Even better would be an algorithm > that searches the space of possible movies to generate one that it predic

Re: [agi] How AI will kill us

2024-03-30 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Sat, Mar 30, 2024, 6:56 AM Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > Matt, you don't have free will because you watch on Netflix, download from > Torrent and get your will back 😜 > I would rather have a recommendation algorithm that can predict what I would like without having to watch. A better algorithm w

Re: [agi] Re: Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-30 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
Who said anything about modifying the fine structure constant? I used the terms: "coded and managed". I can see there's no serious interest here to take a fresh look at doable AGI. Best to then leave it there. From: John Rose Sent: Saturday, 30 March 2024 13:0

Re: [agi] Re: Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-30 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Sat, Mar 30, 2024, 7:02 AM John Rose wrote: > On Friday, March 29, 2024, at 8:25 AM, Quan Tesla wrote: > > The fine structure constant, in conjunction with the triple-alpha process > could be coded and managed via AI. Computational code. > > > Imagine the government in its profound wisdom decl

Re: [agi] How AI will kill us

2024-03-30 Thread Keyvan M. Sadeghi
> > Exactly. If people can’t snuff Wuffy to save the planet how could they > decide to kill off a few billion useless eaters? Although central banks do > fuel both sides of wars for reasons that include population modifications > across multi-decade currency cycles. > It's not the logical conclusi

Re: [agi] How AI will kill us

2024-03-30 Thread John Rose
On Saturday, March 30, 2024, at 7:33 AM, Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > For the same reason that we, humans, don't kill dogs to save the planet. Exactly. If people can’t snuff Wuffy to save the planet how could they decide to kill off a few billion useless eaters? Although central banks do fuel both

Re: [agi] How AI will kill us

2024-03-30 Thread Keyvan M. Sadeghi
> > Why is that delusional? It may be a logical decision for the AI to make an > attempt to save the planet from natural destruction. > For the same reason that we, humans, don't kill dogs to save the planet. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Per

Re: [agi] How AI will kill us

2024-03-30 Thread John Rose
On Saturday, March 30, 2024, at 7:22 AM, Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > With all due respect John, thinking an AI that has digested all human > knowledge, then goes on to kill us, is fucking delusional 🙈 Why is that delusional? It may be a logical decision for the AI to make an attempt to save the p

Re: [agi] How AI will kill us

2024-03-30 Thread Keyvan M. Sadeghi
> Contributing to the future might mean figuring out ways to have AI stop > killing us. An issue is that living people need to do this, the dead ones > only leave memories. Many scientists have proven now that the mRNA jab > system is a death machine but people keep getting zapped. That is a > non-

Re: [agi] How AI will kill us

2024-03-30 Thread John Rose
On Thursday, March 28, 2024, at 5:55 PM, Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > I'm not sure the granularity of feedback mechanism is the problem. I think > the problem lies in us not knowing if we're looping or contributing to the > future. This thread is a perfect example of how great minds can loop foreve

Re: [agi] Re: Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-30 Thread John Rose
On Friday, March 29, 2024, at 8:25 AM, Quan Tesla wrote: > The fine structure constant, in conjunction with the triple-alpha process > could be coded and managed via AI. Computational code.  Imagine the government in its profound wisdom declared that the fine structure constant needed to be modi

Re: [agi] How AI will kill us

2024-03-30 Thread Keyvan M. Sadeghi
Matt, you don't have free will because you watch on Netflix, download from Torrent and get your will back 😜 On Sat, Mar 30, 2024, 3:10 AM Matt Mahoney wrote: > On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 5:56 PM Keyvan M. Sadeghi < > keyvan.m.sade...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The problem with finer grades of >>> like/di