Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-05-29 Thread Rob Freeman
On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 9:37 AM Matt Mahoney wrote: > > On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 7:46 AM Rob Freeman > wrote: > > > Now, let's try to get some more detail. How do compressors handle the > > case where you get {A,C} on the basis of AB, CB, but you don't get, > > say AX, CX? Which is to say, the ru

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-05-29 Thread Matt Mahoney
Natural language is ambiguous at every level including tokens. Is "someone" one word or two? Language models handle this by mixing the predictions given by the contexts "some", "one", and "someone". Using fixed dictionaries is a compromise that reduces accuracy for reducing computation, like all

Re: [agi] GPT-4o

2024-05-29 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Tue, May 28, 2024, 11:09 PM Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > > Can you, in a few sentences, describe what your magnum opus is, and what’s > the great insight that everyone else is missing? > 1. Prediction measures intelligence. Compression measures prediction. 2. The singularity is far. Evolution

Re: [agi] GPT-4o

2024-05-29 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Tue, May 28, 2024, 11:37 PM wrote: > On Tuesday, May 28, 2024, at 3:18 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > Everything you want can be delivered by self driving carts. > > By the time I got to this part I laughed, once again. That never gets old. > And furthermore we will live in homes without kitchen

Re: [agi] GPT-4o

2024-05-29 Thread Keyvan M. Sadeghi
1. Prediction measures intelligence. Compression measures prediction. This is a a great insight, and the foundation of the research that peeps like LeCun, Ben, and sometimes me, are doing. It’s not an unbreakable rule though, everything is achievable with Nash-esque equilibriums in the world. 2.

Re: [agi] GPT-4o

2024-05-29 Thread Keyvan M. Sadeghi
Evolution == Technology -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T17fa3f27f63a882a-M85f0ad77d68bb0926bfb8db7 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

Re: [agi] GPT-4o

2024-05-29 Thread ivan . moony
On Wednesday, May 29, 2024, at 6:59 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > And furthermore we will live in homes without kitchens because getting hot > meals delivered will be faster and cheaper than shopping and cooking. > What if someone enjoys to cook and prepare a meal for his friends, and likes to take

Re: [agi] GPT-4o

2024-05-29 Thread John Rose
On Monday, May 27, 2024, at 6:58 PM, Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > Good thing is some productive chat happens outside this forum: > > https://x.com/ylecun/status/1794998977105981950 Smearing those who are concerned of particular AI risks by pooling them into a prejudged category entitled “Doomers”

Re: [agi] GPT-4o

2024-05-29 Thread Keyvan M. Sadeghi
> > Smearing those who are concerned of particular AI risks by pooling them > into a prejudged category entitled “Doomers” is not really being serious. > Judging the future of AGI (not distant, 5 years), with our current premature brains is a joke. Worse, it's an unholy/profitable business for Sam

Re: [agi] GPT-4o

2024-05-29 Thread John Rose
On Wednesday, May 29, 2024, at 3:56 PM, Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > Judging the future of AGI (not distant, 5 years), with our current premature > brains is a joke. Worse, it's an unholy/profitable business for Sam Altmans / > Eric Schmidts / Elon Musks of the world. I was referring to extracting

Re: [agi] GPT-4o

2024-05-29 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Wed, May 29, 2024, 2:06 PM wrote: > On Wednesday, May 29, 2024, at 6:59 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > And furthermore we will live in homes without kitchens because getting hot > meals delivered will be faster and cheaper than shopping and cooking. > > > What if someone enjoys to cook and prepar

Re: [agi] GPT-4o

2024-05-29 Thread James Bowery
On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 6:30 PM Matt Mahoney wrote: > ...The poor get richer when the rich get richer faster. That's how the > economy works. > Indigenous communities generally consider children wealth and not simply because they are cheap labor. Look, I tried my damndest to give you guys optio

[agi] Frank Herbert's 1966 Novel About Developing AGI Safely (OFF PLANET)

2024-05-29 Thread James Bowery
Although E. O. Wilson's "The Social Conquest of Earth" portrays a more realistic portrayal of unfriendly AGI (nascent human eusociality) , for those of us who just can't think of ourselves as Mechanical Turk components of the unfriendly AGI known as "The