Re: [agi] Re: Rewrite (rule based system)

2022-07-16 Thread mm ee
I think AGI is more than possible with a heuristic based logic system, but it's not going to be any easier than a NN based approach, and probably can't be wholly separate from each other. It's infeasible to use a heuristic system for representing new concepts. Where heuristics provide a low frictio

Re: [agi] Re: Rewrite (rule based system)

2022-07-15 Thread stefan.reich.maker.of.eye via AGI
On Friday, July 15, 2022, at 7:01 PM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > Just giving solid advice and a good example why... Nah, you are toeing the neural network party line. There is more inside the class of general learning algorithms than just that one... thing. MUCH more! --

Re: [agi] Re: Rewrite (rule based system)

2022-07-15 Thread immortal . discoveries
Just giving solid advice and a good example why... -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T9019734479a51fd8-M9f6ab68ada8915d42e9599fb Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

Re: [agi] Re: Rewrite (rule based system)

2022-07-15 Thread stefan.reich.maker.of.eye via AGI
On Friday, July 15, 2022, at 6:23 PM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > You need neural networks to create AGI. Talk about dogma, buddy! -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T9019734479a51fd8-M9b7451be701b59

Re: [agi] Re: Rewrite (rule based system)

2022-07-15 Thread immortal . discoveries
On Friday, July 15, 2022, at 5:09 AM, stefan.reich.maker.of.eye wrote: > I am also searching for a replacement for neural network based learning. The > bar is high, but on the other hand, neural networks have fundamental > limitations, and I think they will one day be completely abandoned when >

Re: [agi] Re: Rewrite (rule based system)

2022-07-15 Thread stefan.reich.maker.of.eye via AGI
I am also searching for a replacement for neural network based learning. The bar is high, but on the other hand, neural networks have fundamental limitations, and I think they will one day be completely abandoned when something better has been discovered. We don't know what that thing is yet th

Re: [agi] Re: Rewrite (rule based system)

2022-07-13 Thread ivanmoony
It would be ideal if we could run a query: given a set of input and output pairs **I -> O**, construct a function **F** of type **simply typed lambda calculus** that connects inputs and outputs in precision of **X%**. *Rewrite* can't do that on its own, at least not in a simple, automated way. T

Re: [agi] Re: Rewrite (rule based system)

2022-07-13 Thread stefan.reich.maker.of.eye via AGI
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022, at 8:19 AM, ivanmoony wrote: > Does algorithm synthesis count as an acceptable way of figuring out the rules? Sure, but that's just a word (or two words to be precise). How to actually do it is the big question. -- Artificial Gen

Re: [agi] Re: Rewrite (rule based system)

2022-07-12 Thread ivanmoony
Does algorithm synthesis count as an acceptable way of figuring out the rules? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T9019734479a51fd8-Mf34bed998c54970a28693ce1 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/

Re: [agi] Re: Rewrite (rule based system)

2022-07-12 Thread mm ee
Is it really though? All you're doing is shifting the onus of learning from the machine to the human whose job it is to reduce the world into discrete rules. That's the problem AI is trying to solve - let the machine do the hard part of figuring out the rules. This doesn't really solve the problem

[agi] Re: Rewrite (rule based system)

2022-07-12 Thread ivanmoony
Now take the world. It takes some input and produces some output. If you are able to construct a function that mimics the world's output, you can say you know the world well. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/

[agi] Re: Rewrite (rule based system)

2022-07-12 Thread ivanmoony
Take me for example. I take some input and produce some output. If you are able to construct a function that mimics my outputs, you can say you know me well. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T901973

[agi] Re: Rewrite (rule based system)

2022-07-12 Thread ivanmoony
Only by observing which inputs and outputs come in pair. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T9019734479a51fd8-M6a67bde031fb3e3d0f04f054 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscriptio

[agi] Re: Rewrite (rule based system)

2022-07-12 Thread stefan.reich.maker.of.eye via AGI
Very interesting - but how would it learn? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T9019734479a51fd8-M9d44b687b5b274d3426b1062 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

[agi] Re: Rewrite (rule based system)

2022-07-11 Thread ivanmoony
My ultimate goal with term rewriting would be algorithm synthesis that could replace NN learning approach. The story is: we define in term rewriting system a programming language such is simply typed lambda calculus or something similar. Then we supply a set of inputs paired with expected outpu

[agi] Re: Rewrite (rule based system)

2022-07-11 Thread stefan.reich.maker.of.eye via AGI
I've been playing with rewriting systems so much back in the day. First using Maude, and I did make my own rewriting engines too. Kind of moved on to other things since I never really found a good application for this. -- Artificial General Intelligence Lis

[agi] Re: Rewrite (rule based system)

2022-07-09 Thread WriterOfMinds
I hate to look like I'm ignoring this, but at the moment I guess I'm not sure what I could use it for. The logic puzzle solver examples are the most interesting - I might have to study them more when I get the time. It looks pretty slick though, for someone with the right application. Also, for