Re: [agi] Re: Hey, Data Scientists: Show Your Machine-Learning Work

2019-11-28 Thread John Rose
BTW interesting method of lossylosslessness in this paper, basically using quantum compressive sensing with unsupervised Tensor-Network ML to transmit images of numbers and "decompress" using generalization power: https://arxiv.org/abs/1907.10290 -- Artifi

Re: [agi] Re: Hey, Data Scientists: Show Your Machine-Learning Work

2019-11-28 Thread John Rose
Compressive sensing using entanglement to transmit classical data. Compressive sensing essentially samples in a compressed form. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T3d8826b1a4fec947-Maa7fcc38b35679d51

Re: [agi] Re: Hey, Data Scientists: Show Your Machine-Learning Work

2019-11-28 Thread John Rose
It works: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6343/1140 -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T3d8826b1a4fec947-M64de45fdb585d0ed4e362d5d Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/sub

Re: [agi] Re: Hey, Data Scientists: Show Your Machine-Learning Work

2019-11-28 Thread John Rose
To implement quantum encryption in transoceanic data networks for example... lots of reasons.  -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T3d8826b1a4fec947-Mbfc6d1d7c5381b2b6e321a3a Delivery options: https://

[agi] Re: Go master quits because AI 'cannot be defeated'

2019-11-29 Thread John Rose
Even if you have an eye watching the Go game and the software learns it from scratch and masters it thereafter it's still within the capabilities of AI exclusively no AGI needed nor required. Naturally it’s better to have an AGI doing that but I doubt they are even close. It's more dog and pony

Re: [agi] Re: Hey, Data Scientists: Show Your Machine-Learning Work

2019-11-29 Thread John Rose
They got entanglement working in fiber https://www.pnas.org/content/116/14/6684 There is an emerging field called Quantum Cognition. It's like, is your classical cognitive model suffering from negative probabilities and irrationality? Then stop searching now Quantum Cognition is the right soluti

Re: [agi] Re: Hey, Data Scientists: Show Your Machine-Learning Work

2019-12-01 Thread John Rose
Here we go, build and test quantum circuits https://qiskit.org/ Everything is always in python so annoying. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T3d8826b1a4fec947-Mb77924419258c03184b7f137 Delivery opti

Re: [agi] Re: Go master quits because AI 'cannot be defeated'

2019-12-01 Thread John Rose
Creating AGI by slapping together a bunch of AI is like a Giuseppe Arcimboldo painting shorturl.at/aeqDL -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Te623675bfcbd1b22-M1b56ccf8a685aabc40869159 Delivery options

Re: [agi] Re: Go master quits because AI 'cannot be defeated'

2019-12-02 Thread John Rose
We are living in a Renaissance world right now. It's time to make all your dreams come true. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Te623675bfcbd1b22-M2880cbeb3f7f677f829b04b8 Delivery options: https://

Re: [agi] Re: Go master quits because AI 'cannot be defeated'

2019-12-02 Thread John Rose
If you can simulate yourself faster than you simulating yourself... -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Te623675bfcbd1b22-Mb1cfcfa577511add41683486 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/

Re: [agi] Re: Go master quits because AI 'cannot be defeated'

2019-12-02 Thread John Rose
On Monday, December 02, 2019, at 11:47 AM, keghnfeem wrote: > So, AGI build  their  own physics engine on the fly.  If the AGI is taking a nap, when it wakes and wiggles it's finger, will it be quicker to recompute all physics or, load it up from memory. You would think memory, but, I cannot con

Re: [agi] Re: This is what happens when AGI chatterboxes get PhDs and Funding

2019-12-06 Thread John Rose
Just wondering, is this little guy doing interpolation, extrapolation, neither, both, and in what ratio. https://www.livescience.com/single-celled-organisms-decisions.html -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/grou

Re: [agi] Re: This is what happens when AGI chatterboxes get PhDs and Funding

2019-12-06 Thread John Rose
The ratio has to do with the chemical perception of elemental structure and environment, (consciousness) with some noise, and... heteroscedastic learning? not sure... someone smart can guess. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://

Re: [agi] Re: Go master quits because AI 'cannot be defeated'

2019-12-06 Thread John Rose
do you want to sample from the engine or have the engine invoke on state change? I guess both it's a balancing act. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Te623675bfcbd1b22-M0714504e6e72fff359c3166d Deliv

[agi] Re: NLU Diagam

2019-12-06 Thread John Rose
Go retro:  Air, Water, Earth, Fire forget all the modern details.  Fire is from the dragon. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T7dccc151d512cd73-Md5a261d191a7434664cc7122 Delivery options: https://agi

Re: [agi] Anyone worked / working on SOAR Cognitive Architecture? Or just requiring help "in general" ...

2019-12-06 Thread John Rose
Reminds me of a Doubting Thomas. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T7116d9f5c1f0551d-M4c220ea3d61ab4f3c24e3641 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

Re: [agi] Re: Go master quits because AI 'cannot be defeated'

2019-12-06 Thread John Rose
Attentive context switching to generalization symbol anticipation over compressivly sensed topology.  -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Te623675bfcbd1b22-Ma5fc33a9449f5417b4a14cd3 Delivery options: h

Re: [agi] Re: Go master quits because AI 'cannot be defeated'

2019-12-08 Thread John Rose
+ adaptive sync. Similar to G-Sync and FreeSync? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Te623675bfcbd1b22-M5b823bccfe39206b2f5edbd3 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

Re: [agi] Re: This is what happens when AGI chatterboxes get PhDs and Funding

2019-12-08 Thread John Rose
The mind boggling singular cellular complexity... probably just boils down to chemical ratios. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tc1f2c133ae3e4762-M1fadfb06690651d927c926d1 Delivery options: https://

[agi] Re: The Science of the Butterfly Effect

2019-12-08 Thread John Rose
On Saturday, December 07, 2019, at 11:22 AM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > Yes a eyelid blink can cause a tornado. What caused the eyelid to blink? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T42e4833e6fa7875

[agi] Re: The Science of the Butterfly Effect

2019-12-08 Thread John Rose
On Sunday, December 08, 2019, at 9:42 AM, keghnfeem wrote: > When you wink at you buddy girl friend and then you get pop in the mouth. Oh you mean a chaotic jerk or even a hyperjerk system. *Wink* POW  Highly sensitive to initial conditions. -- Artificial G

[agi] Re: The Science of the Butterfly Effect

2019-12-08 Thread John Rose
If one human brain burns 20 watts and Earth's core generates 40+ terawatts of heat a nano-bot core could generate a lot of intelligence. or potential intelligence. What's idle intelligence? Imagination. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink

[agi] Re: The Science of the Butterfly Effect

2019-12-09 Thread John Rose
Jounce (or snap) is the rate of change of jerk. Hmm what is hyperchaotic snap, crackle and pop. Fizz? Could get crazy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_(physics) -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T42

[agi] Re: The Science of the Butterfly Effect

2019-12-09 Thread John Rose
Higher dimensional chaotic models relate to intelligent structure. Thoughts, self-organizing, emerging from complexity - the fizz and the noise have something to say to a capable perceiver. An inverse Fourier transform for signal extraction... what is the message. ---

[agi] Re: The Science of the Butterfly Effect

2019-12-09 Thread John Rose
A "Willie Talk" that decodes and speaks the messages of the universe. Yeah. Neato. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T42e4833e6fa7875c-Md56781b7cfa92a19288ef68b Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox

[agi] Re: The Science of the Butterfly Effect

2019-12-10 Thread John Rose
What if it's artificial proprioception? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T42e4833e6fa7875c-M31cbb73d5082a0272d23f5ec Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

[agi] Re: The Science of the Butterfly Effect

2019-12-10 Thread John Rose
You want it so it works in various gravities, g-forces, in fluids, in solids like snow and sand. In adhesives, explosions, under rubble, high PSI, reconfigure when limbs are lost, low power mode, melt mode, high radiation mode, high lateral thrust, shearing forces, pelting, battering, splinterin

[agi] Re: The Science of the Butterfly Effect

2019-12-11 Thread John Rose
Self-model, self-physical model, environment model, self-physical component model, heterogeneous co-simulation of subsystems verses full simulation scenarios, mission priority, strategy , is the embodied AGI willing to expend/exhaust parts for mission priority, for example it needs to dig throug

[agi] Re: The Science of the Butterfly Effect

2019-12-11 Thread John Rose
On Wednesday, December 11, 2019, at 10:51 AM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > Some will have a brain as large as us but distributed across a country not > dense at all. Ya, IoT botnet of devices, decentralized, blockchained, pulling power from solar, autopoietic, distributed mobile hyper-evolving

[agi] Re: a5c5

2019-12-16 Thread John Rose
Please don't use the email list for testing your bots. That is, unless they can pass the Turing test consistently and are indistinguishable :) -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T90616547efdb2db4-Mc1

[agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-19 Thread John Rose
Back then a trick was to pre-compute into memory complicated calculations that would be used repeatedly then subsequently simulate the computations by accessing the memory. IOW use lookup tables, which I'm sure you're aware of. Models and components can be put into lookup tables for optimization

[agi] Re: rotation back in the olden days

2019-12-20 Thread John Rose
It's all tradeoffs. How many times do you hit that computation is it worth putting in RAM if only a couple times. For expensive computations just offload wirelessly to a server that's running something like this: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/194146/intel-xeon-platinum-928

[agi] Re: The KC of Permutations

2020-01-04 Thread John Rose
On Saturday, December 28, 2019, at 5:43 PM, James Bowery wrote: > Is there a higher level language -- the language of permutations -- in which > one can describe them? In this case estimating KC is minimizing representational complexity across many paths in a spectrum of reversible transforms li

[agi] Re: Big machine learning scientist embraces consciousness in machines

2020-01-04 Thread John Rose
Conscious entity embraces consciousness. Hmmm wonder why. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tb2b962ade3189dc2-M6b899ef72f81e5c1fdf08600 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscripti

Re: [agi] Re: Parallel (Space Time) Kolmogorov Complexity?

2020-01-07 Thread John Rose
Reality is concurrent and simultaneous. Communication classically with language is ordered and serial. The human brain is concurrent and simultaneous but we have been conditioned and biased to environmentally serialize. Also our view of time as simply unidirectional may be archaic? Hey, that’s a

[agi] Re: software == ARGH!!!

2020-01-07 Thread John Rose
Being a dad, I had to buy my 13-year-old son a computer for XMas - single GeForce 2070 SUPER for playing games :) But MY machine has dual Quadro P4000 :)  P4000 is a couple years old but still very good.  The newer cards though appear to have some sort of ray tracing ability. He also got a 240

[agi] Re: software == ARGH!!!

2020-01-07 Thread John Rose
Nice I usually prefer to use C#, I see Nsight here works with dot net in VS very convenient. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T995d7257a7babffd-M130bb8ebd7bac7c558a093e3 Delivery options: https://ag

[agi] Re: software == ARGH!!!

2020-01-08 Thread John Rose
It'll be interesting what compute API's the Intel Xe DG1 GPU will support. Probably all+ eventually. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T995d7257a7babffd-Mdafc874da772d2d9a4db1ed6 Delivery options: ht

[agi] Re: software == ARGH!!!

2020-01-08 Thread John Rose
OneAPI? https://www.networkworld.com/article/3454497/intel-targets-nvidia-again-with-gpu-and-cross-processor-api.html https://software.intel.com/en-us/oneapi -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T995d

[agi] Re: software == ARGH!!!

2020-01-08 Thread John Rose
No more Juice WRLD :( -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T995d7257a7babffd-M258f74623dbe1aec6772f8c7 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

[agi] Re: software == ARGH!!!

2020-01-08 Thread John Rose
Need to get Intel to fix this page: "Which hardware and accelerator architectures are you developing for?  (Please select all that apply) " All "What kind of developer are you?" AGI https://software.intel.com/en-us/devcloud/oneapi/sign-up Ooohh oneAPI doesn't cover quantum circuits. Seems to

[agi] Re: software == ARGH!!!

2020-01-08 Thread John Rose
Got them qdits comin hot tuny tuny d'livered to yo doh on mfukin palatta... but not oneAPI gotta go itty bitty to get that ditty https://qiskit.org/ -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T995d7257a7babff

[agi] Re: software == ARGH!!!

2020-01-08 Thread John Rose
Perhaps we're all entangled via entropy-free immortal quasi particles in our DNA that were initially injected into this simulation of fractal dimension from an earlier non-base reality dimension. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: http

[agi] Re: software == ARGH!!!

2020-01-08 Thread John Rose
"giant electric brains" That's very Teslaesque... you can just imagine the arcs zapping in retro black and white imagery. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T95026ce2cfdd87c3-Mce3b1a3036c07f7674b35de

[agi] Re: software == ARGH!!!

2020-01-08 Thread John Rose
Sheldrake was onto something. When you generate original thinking like creating globally Kolmogorov complex thought you can sense others that are near verses the crowded space of the redundancy. That is why I suspect when you are actively thinking on a viable model you are giving it away simil

[agi] More Artificial People

2020-01-08 Thread John Rose
Nice website: https://www.neon.life/ -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T881e53e95500024e-M19ed8a085e69095c1828c3ff Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

[agi] Re: More Artificial People

2020-01-09 Thread John Rose
It's merely a continuation or a trend with better graphics, better AI: This company was around 15 years ago, used to be called Codebaby: https://www.idavatars.com/ -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/

[agi] Re: More Artificial People

2020-01-09 Thread John Rose
The continual maintenance of software it never ends!  Then the wear and tear on the robotics. Self maintaining software. Cloud systems are moving that way somewhat but it's more changing the maintenance required rather than eliminating it though it is reduced. --

[agi] Re: More Artificial People

2020-01-10 Thread John Rose
Good for a poor neglected robot that no one wants to care for :) -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T881e53e95500024e-Mb47f63886ffcb9ba4cbf0e7a Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/sub

[agi] Re: Understanding Compression

2020-01-10 Thread John Rose
And then is there a quantum compression system that uses a many paths simultaneity to seek KC? ... seems viable to me but not sure.  Matt would know :) -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T65747f0622

Re: [agi] Re: Understanding Compression

2020-01-10 Thread John Rose
The circuit is actually on Wikipedia. Wonder if it will go into Quiskit: -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T65747f0622d5047f-M19282ca200bd11951c4a088f Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/grou

Re: [agi] Re: Understanding Compression

2020-01-11 Thread John Rose
I would think there would be libraries of circuits that can be wired together... It's nice to be able to get a sense of the complexity of an observable. With that Wick rotations can be used for mapping between statics and dynamics and converting between quantum fields and statistical mechanics.

Re: [agi] Re: More Artificial People

2020-01-11 Thread John Rose
There is some sort of threshold to cross for self-repair functionality on a robot. Typically specialist agents fix other agents, human or robot. Would a robot carry around a multiaxis CNC? Perhaps yes a 3D printer, downscaling the assemblage components though could cross that threshold. Geometri

Re: [agi] Re: More Artificial People

2020-01-13 Thread John Rose
Yes be able to convert readily available objects to tools and utilize them productively. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T881e53e95500024e-M5fdfa06740e12c3098fe8f96 Delivery options: https://agi.to

[agi] Re: I tried Google Ads

2020-01-14 Thread John Rose
Yeah where the code at bruh? Gotta do 3D: https://arxiv.org/abs/1902.04615 -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Taaacb2c58a94e597-Mea808c56a65c268d88eb04c3 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/gro

Re: [agi] Parallel (Space Time) Kolmogorov Complexity?

2020-01-14 Thread John Rose
Isn't that technically near-lossless? Leaving some tiny wiggle room? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tc33b8ed7189d2a18-M015a0fcc662cec4713a2c2e4 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi

Re: [agi] Re: Understanding Compression

2020-02-03 Thread John Rose
Talking big numbers, what is an expression of the sum of ALL edit distances in the universe? Not just Hamming but say Levenshtein distance, for sequences of unequal length. The distance from one sequence to ALL other sequences, summed for all sequences. Gotta be yuge! Something on the order of

Re: [agi] Re: Understanding Compression

2020-02-04 Thread John Rose
On Monday, February 03, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Less than 8.7 x 10^244 bits. That's the square of the Bekenstein bound of a > black hole with a Schwartzchild radius equal to the Hubble radius,13.8 > billion light years. Edit distance expressed as the shortest program that > input

Re: [agi] General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-05 Thread John Rose
AGI will be more efficient in particular environments with particular complexity. The universe has an order to it. It’s a conceptual trap to assume the physical universe comprises all of the combinatorial possibilities of its bit space. I think NFL assumes all combinatorial possibilities where A

Re: [agi] Re: Real AGI Brain

2020-02-05 Thread John Rose
See this really reinforces my beliefs; multiple wetware general intelligences discussing the compression of a particular chunk of data (enwik8), an example in classical communication complexity. My belief is that conscious agents compress better than non-conscious agents and are capable of more

Re: [agi] Re: Real AGI Brain

2020-02-05 Thread John Rose
The paper is an attempted proof of MIP*=RE. The consciousness aspect is just me suggesting an intelligence topology optimizes on a communication fabric :) -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T409fc28

Re: [agi] Re: Real AGI Brain

2020-02-05 Thread John Rose
Yes, I’ve eked away at pieces of it intermittently like 20 times and it's a treasure trove. But I find it difficult to believe that it will hold up, I've actually never seen a proof so elaborate like that... and so... sparse? but dense. Will take time to absorb… pretty amazing piece of work. Su

Re: [agi] Re: Real AGI Brain

2020-02-05 Thread John Rose
What Blockly has no goto? How could you create an AGI without goto.,, pffft. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T409fc28ec41e6e3a-Mf275cfd8dbb0d9c388aed532 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/gr

Re: [agi] Re: Real AGI Brain

2020-02-05 Thread John Rose
Exactly. It allows you to go deep with confidence because you know you can bail at any time. And it's in C#.   -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T409fc28ec41e6e3a-M714324aa36407dfd4d64594e Delivery o

Re: [agi] Re: Real AGI Brain

2020-02-05 Thread John Rose
The higher the goto density in a large block of source code, the more likelihood of greater Kolmogorov complexity of said code that you reluctantly agreed to maintain... seems like. So, after a skilled coder gets frustrated, he or she thus attempts to reduce the complexity, cleans it up, so that ot

Re: [agi] General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-06 Thread John Rose
On Thursday, February 06, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Occam's Razor suggests that the origin of the laws of physics is that all > possible universes exist and we necessarily observe one where intelligent > life is possible All possible universes... makes you wonder which ones are im

Re: [agi] Re: Real AGI Brain

2020-02-06 Thread John Rose
Long live goto and oh god please make them stop using it... like road detours and fire escapes and electrical jumpers and heart stents and emergency brakes and -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi

Re: [agi] Re: General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-08 Thread John Rose
If each human brain simultaneously existed in several "near" universes, which it must right for those universes that are just slightly different, and if somehow we bridge between those that benefit our survival, that would explain a lot. There is communication between universes, why? We assume

Re: [agi] Re: General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-08 Thread John Rose
Then you shift in the direction of beneficial universes.  Say the mind is a graph on multiple communication fabrics some of which span universes. You shift towards those universes that benefit your survival. Other ones you die in so don't go there you would not pose the question from there sinc

Re: [agi] Re: General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-08 Thread John Rose
Yeah but what about Déjà Vu, maybe that's a dynamical shift across parallel universes. And the other you that everybody hates, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde LOL. Trans universal Turning machines, hmm let’s do some Googling on that. Are parallel universes continua or stepwise... ---

Re: [agi] Re: General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-09 Thread John Rose
Hey Alan that software is actually working in a parallel universe but your free will is keeping you away from it. Freudian slips might actually be trans universal bit slips. Erm, not trans let's say inter universal. Ya ya inter, intra. -- Artificial Genera

Re: [agi] Re: General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-09 Thread John Rose
printf("I am the bits that generated the universe. The universe contains me so the multiverse is fractal.\n"); -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T9709eebb88dd292b-M3caf68210e2b8df5471a1127 Delivery

Re: [agi] Re: General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-10 Thread John Rose
**Does overreliance on Occam's Razor cause narrow thinking and mono-culture? Sometimes simplicity can be a trap. We need creativity, imagination, non-objectivity, anti-utility… this has to do with humanity being genetic I think. We go through iterations of renaissance that stimulate explanations

Re: [agi] Re: General Intelligence vs. no-free-lunch theorem

2020-02-10 Thread John Rose
On Monday, February 10, 2020, at 3:05 PM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies wrote: > Alan Grimes. You belong on the naughty list. To fix his thinking he needs to go suck down a few of these bad boys: https://www.shortsbrewing.com/beers/tequila-barrel-aged-occams-razor/

[agi] Re: Google Search uses BERT now

2020-02-12 Thread John Rose
Here's one from Microsoft used to create the LM called Turing-NLG: https://github.com/microsoft/DeepSpeed -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T20f81f1923e43c13-Mae968ac52f3d848529a41f73 Delivery options

Re: [agi] Re: Google Search uses BERT now

2020-02-12 Thread John Rose
Warning: There is no reason to use the offensive word on the list and the next person that uses that specific word will get their posting privileges revoked. Final warning. We know the context, etc..  Just choose better words please. *rouncer81*, you're an inch from getting banned. Thanks, John

Re: [agi] Re: Google Search uses BERT now

2020-02-12 Thread John Rose
Sorry, he's been removed. Thanks, John (List Moderator) -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T20f81f1923e43c13-M6610cfc88aa54fa2b95db9dc Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscripti

Re: [agi] Re: Google Search uses BERT now

2020-02-12 Thread John Rose
On Wednesday, February 12, 2020, at 2:34 PM, WriterOfMinds wrote: > No need to apologize, John. Rouncer81 probably should have gotten his > privileges revoked back when Mr. Alidoust was posting and rouncer81 called > him a monkey. You're right I did see that but I assumed rouncer81 was more like

Re: [agi] Re: Google Search uses BERT now

2020-02-12 Thread John Rose
We do have to be considerate. I've just been educated that some terminologies like on the issue we had here are illegal in some countries. We might have a sincere genius scientist in Country X, they get an email from the list, next thing you know they're getting hauled away into some gulag for t

Re: [agi] My state of mind.

2020-02-14 Thread John Rose
I think with regards to suppressing people what we can do if there is a problem we can call a vote. The threshold should be high to allow for alternate viewpoints not 2/3 but say 4/5. If >80% of respondents within 1 week want a subscriber suppressed then they get suppressed. Something like that

Re: [agi] My state of mind.

2020-02-14 Thread John Rose
Bill, I remember seeing Mentifex's writings going back at least into the early 90's on BBS's and Fidonet and in ZIP .DIZ files I think? If my memory serves me correctly. Part of me hates him, part of me loves him. And as far as racist people to me are just ignorant and need love and kindness so

Re: [agi] My state of mind.

2020-02-15 Thread John Rose
On Saturday, February 15, 2020, at 3:46 PM, Robert Levy wrote: > Are the mods just going to ignore James Bowery? Argh, don't make me have to write emails 'n stuff! James is presenting intellectually refreshing arguments which make us work parts of our minds that are rarely exercised and some of

Re: [agi] My state of mind.

2020-02-15 Thread John Rose
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Re: [agi] My state of mind.

2020-02-17 Thread John Rose
On Sunday, February 16, 2020, at 11:48 AM, Robert Levy wrote: > No, how about don't be a racist you fucking racists. Especially the fucktard > arguing for europeans evolving special wolfy white minds. You aren't > intelligent. You are a braindead racist boomer. The whole tactic of trying to soci

Re: [agi] My state of mind.

2020-02-17 Thread John Rose
I was referring to a popular pejorative usage of the term, maybe he is? I know the word has bifurcated as many do. The English language and Oxford lag usage, increasingly. I would have to reread and think more on the post to understand why Robert was "triggered". James courageously made a publi

Re: [agi] My state of mind.

2020-02-17 Thread John Rose
I see usage of the term "morally", can of worms there can offend people easily oh la... -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T234cfbcefa1d1d24-M16b45cb39192d8b2b3db43d4 Delivery options: https://agi.top

Re: [agi] My state of mind.

2020-02-17 Thread John Rose
On Monday, February 17, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Robert Levy wrote: > John Rose is apparently also defending racism. No. I might not agree with what you say but will die defending your right to say it. I don't think you really understand what James is saying... even if it is marginally "

Re: [agi] My state of mind.

2020-02-17 Thread John Rose
If you try to estimate the Kolmogorov Complexity of the Earth race is a factor. The human tree compresses down. KC of AGI? probably not. Is usage of CRISPR racist? Certain adjustments could be beneficial *wink* :) -- Artificial General Intelligence List: A

Re: [agi] Escaping learned hopelessness.

2020-02-19 Thread John Rose
On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, at 5:28 AM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies wrote: > Oh dear! From naughty list to blacklist in one go. I'm going to leave you > persons to it. There's no value left here for serious researchers. It could > potentially harm our reputations, business prospects, a

[agi] Mathematical Model of Intuition

2020-02-19 Thread John Rose
While all you wuss puppies are arguing about who's racist and who's not I've been coming up with a mathematical model of intuition. But then again maybe I'm not a "serious researcher" so... why should I share? Definitely not a traditional researcher, and maybe some traditions are holding people

[agi] Re: Mathematical Model of Intuition

2020-02-19 Thread John Rose
Science tradition goes back centuries. Software, decades. AGI is mainly software IMO. and math. Scientists want to make a name for themselves traditionally. Hence, the log jam. The development of the internet was unbridled optimism, generational, and gave hope to many who were hopeless, stuck i

[agi] Re: Mathematical Model of Intuition

2020-02-19 Thread John Rose
Then also researchers who test the boundaries of traditional creative synthesis, not just engineeringly, and applied contemporarily to science and engineering, openly, that's where the good stuff is IMO. But we all exist in the human condition so.. have to deal with those issues. ---

Re: [agi] Escaping learned hopelessness.

2020-02-19 Thread John Rose
FYI, regarding that isolation video, this is the effort that I personally have to go through to clear my mind to think about things like mathematical intuition, like yesterday: Drive an hour to get to a location (undisclosed in Hudson Valley, NY). Hike about 2 hours in isolation. Analyze geolo

Re: [agi] Escaping learned hopelessness.

2020-02-19 Thread John Rose
Hey Alan look on the bright side, if you're still a virgin that means you could become a Carthusian monk! What was that song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/group

Re: [agi] Escaping learned hopelessness.

2020-02-19 Thread John Rose
If someone does come up with a model close to the KC of AGI, throw a few bits towards the human condition. Think first, then code. Unfortunately, often we code, seek funding, then think. Think it all the way through that is... but it's a journey and someone else will code and seek the funding w

[agi] Just like Kahneman's Systems 1 and 2

2020-04-18 Thread John Rose
Quantum consiointelligence deniers and phobics please skip the following: Interesting paper taking a stab at describing consciousness and creativity being a consequence of the 20W human brain efficiency similar to Kahneman's Systems. https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.03738 And kind of goes along with

Re: [agi] Just like Kahneman's Systems 1 and 2

2020-04-19 Thread John Rose
T.N. Palmer is proposing the physics of how the mind works, that's why the paper title ends with a question mark. His assertion on free will seems reasonable but I'm unclear on his model of "awareness of conterfactual worlds" related to state-space trajectories. I understand the "ability to proj

Re: [agi] Just like Kahneman's Systems 1 and 2

2020-04-23 Thread John Rose
Our subsymbolic thoughts seem better modeled using quantum fields with symbolic and inter-agent systems signaling using classical methods. A percentage of the 20W consumption could be arrays of neurons performing Wick like rotations for protocol translation between quantum fields and statistical

Re: [agi] Just like Kahneman's Systems 1 and 2

2020-04-29 Thread John Rose
While researching the rotating from Euclidean to Minkowski I stumbled across this beast of a paper - Stephan Wolfram, on it! https://arxiv.org/abs/2004.08210    (warning it's big but worth the DL) -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: ht

Re: [agi] The big book

2020-04-30 Thread John Rose
English is math, each word is a field, a hybrid probabilistic painting splattered all over receptors sneezed out into an expanding conical futurismic spray of word puzzles. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/gr

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